And when was the last time you walked into a pool hall filled with Hampton home style furniture pool tables, do you even know how long they'd last , looking like new...in a commercial environment?
Diamonds are Popular Tables, What Table is Most Popular Right Now?
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And when was the last time you walked into a pool hall filled with Hampton home style furniture pool tables, do you even know how long they'd last , looking like new...in a commercial environment?
Diamonds are the best that I have played on. But gold crowns are not far behind and I would imagine way cheaper.
Diamonds are the best that I have played on. But gold crowns are not far behind and I would imagine way cheaper.
NO RED OR BLACK CLOTH
And NO SMOKING... or high ceilings with lots of smoke eaters... or a separate smokers area.
tournament blue or classic green cloth only. My local league room has red cloth on all the tables and allows smoking. As soon as my league play has concluded I rush outta that place ASAP.
GCs, Diamonds, valleys..... Just make sure the pockets are right. I like rather tight pockets that are cut straight with small shelfs
My .02 cents
CJ, I know you have forgotten more about pool tables than most of us will ever know anyway....
Best of luck to you!
And NO SMOKING... or high ceilings with lots of smoke eaters... or a separate smokers area.
tournament blue or classic green cloth only. My local league room has red cloth on all the tables and allows smoking. As soon as my league play has concluded I rush outta that place ASAP.
GCs, Diamonds, valleys..... Just make sure the pockets are right. I like rather tight pockets that are cut straight with small shelfs
My .02 cents
CJ, I know you have forgotten more about pool tables than most of us will ever know anyway....
Best of luck to you!
Actually, a Brunswick GC5 lists for more that twice the cost of a Diamond 9ft ProAm
I wouldn't know I don't buy tables. Plus I was more rendering to all the 1000 gc I've seen in various places and the lowest I've ever seen a diamond pro am for is like 3.
On second thought I would say any nice snooker table. Pool is dead maybe we could start snooker here like the uk
WestPenn
West Penn Billiards
Check their rail skirts sometime, and yes, Diamond also stands behind their tables as well, and have a MUCH better resale value than ANY Olhausen does. And if I'm not mistaken, Donny bought Butch out of Olhausen, as in I think Donny is the only brothed that has anything to do with their tables, and that was a while ago
I'm not sure. All I know is the I've spoken with Butch before, both at the training and on the phone.
And how is a 1 year warranty standing behind their table? An Olhausen is warrantied for life. And that includes the cushions, which once again, is something no one else does.
WestPenn
West Penn Billiards
I'm not a mechanic, so I'm not sure what the skirts on a Pro are made from. I do know that when we order in a tournament table, the slate for it has a solid wood backing instead of particle board.
And when was the last time you walked into a pool hall filled with Hampton home style furniture pool tables, do you even know how long they'd last , looking like new...in a commercial environment?
That is very true. I was looking at it from the point of view of the average buyer. They want a table in their home that's a furniture piece, and that will last a long time for a good price. There are so many different styles, stains, and various customization options. Plus, the lifetime warranty. That all appeals to the average buyer. They have no idea what a pocket angle is. In terms of a home pool table, Diamond doesn't compare to Olhausen, and no one can deny that.
That's because Diamond's hold their value much higher than any other tables built today
Diamond's slates are unbacked, the gluing system is far superior than any staple system for installing the bed cloth, so it's not needed, therefore never has to be replace...for life. Does Olhausen warranty the backer boards on their slates...for life?...because they're a very weak link in their tables, and DO need to be replace
Diamonds are forever...........
Buy a Diamond Table and need to sell it a month later, get at least 85%-90% of your investment back, and quickly..
Buy an Olhausen and want to sell it a month later, you'll be LUCKY to get 50% of your purchase price back.... And probably not real fast...
Buy a Diamond Table and need to sell it a month later, get at least 85%-90% of your investment back, and quickly..
Buy an Olhausen and want to sell it a month later, you'll be LUCKY to get 50% of your purchase price back.... And probably not real fast...
WestPenn
West Penn Billiards
Diamond's slates are unbacked, the gluing system is far superior than any staple system for installing the bed cloth, so it's not needed, therefore never has to be replace...for life. Does Olhausen warranty the backer boards on their slates...for life?...because they're a very weak link in their tables, and DO need to be replace
We've recovered Diamonds before, and the slate was backed. Like I said, I'm not a mechanic, so I don't know if every Diamond we've done was, but one that we had to bring in had backed slate.
Once again, Olhausen is more about home tables. How often does the average person get their table recovered? In a home setting, that particle board lasts a long time, and it does survive a few recoveries. A solid wood backing does last longer, but it still doesn't last forever.
Tough to build some business with the smoke........
This is what will keep me from the borders of Florida.
Existing customers that are there to support and spend money can't wait to get out of the place because of the poison in the air.
New customers come once and never want to come back after getting a dose of smoke(poison).
This is one of the problems with pool. Anyone that is concerned at all about their health would stay 100 miles from this stuff.
I'm in Columbus right now. They have the older players and the younger ones. Pool is going great here. The poolroom owners are all working together to promote weekly events and keep a clean safe environment to play in.
With the smoke you can almost cut out the over 50 crowd. they just can't handle it. And the younger crowd just don't want to subject themselves to it.
That's crossing off allot of business right from the start.
I had a bar/nightclub for 13 years. If it would have been non smoking i would have had the energy myself to keep it going. I was so worn out from the smoke but didn't know at the time that the smoke was the reason for my health problems.
Clariton D and antibiotics were a regular friend of mine as were ear infections and breathing problems.
I'm one of the lucky one though. Many of my bartenders that were my age are all dead.
That's another problem. The life expectancy of players that smoke or breath in the second hand smoke is lower also for sure.
We can't afford in this business to be killing off our customers or making them sick. We need them alive and have energy so they can play, have some fun , spend some money and enjoy life.
Glad you said something about the smoke. as you can see I'm not short on words when it comes to this subject.
This is a huge problem with the game everywhere.
Even where it is non smoking many place don't do enough to keep it from drifting into the breathing areas of others.
Something wrong with this picture overall.
This is what will keep me from the borders of Florida.
Existing customers that are there to support and spend money can't wait to get out of the place because of the poison in the air.
New customers come once and never want to come back after getting a dose of smoke(poison).
This is one of the problems with pool. Anyone that is concerned at all about their health would stay 100 miles from this stuff.
I'm in Columbus right now. They have the older players and the younger ones. Pool is going great here. The poolroom owners are all working together to promote weekly events and keep a clean safe environment to play in.
With the smoke you can almost cut out the over 50 crowd. they just can't handle it. And the younger crowd just don't want to subject themselves to it.
That's crossing off allot of business right from the start.
I had a bar/nightclub for 13 years. If it would have been non smoking i would have had the energy myself to keep it going. I was so worn out from the smoke but didn't know at the time that the smoke was the reason for my health problems.
Clariton D and antibiotics were a regular friend of mine as were ear infections and breathing problems.
I'm one of the lucky one though. Many of my bartenders that were my age are all dead.
That's another problem. The life expectancy of players that smoke or breath in the second hand smoke is lower also for sure.
We can't afford in this business to be killing off our customers or making them sick. We need them alive and have energy so they can play, have some fun , spend some money and enjoy life.
Glad you said something about the smoke. as you can see I'm not short on words when it comes to this subject.
This is a huge problem with the game everywhere.
Even where it is non smoking many place don't do enough to keep it from drifting into the breathing areas of others.
Something wrong with this picture overall.
That's because Diamond's hold their value much higher than any other tables built today
That is mainly due to there being a slew of GC tables from closing pool rooms. Brunswick probably sold millions of these tables. It is called supply and demand. When I started playing in the mid 80s, normal income people would not have been able to afford a GC table used. The closing of many many pool halls across the country bought the GC down quite a bit.
But I must say, for a professional table new, the Diamond is a great table at about 5-6K. The new GC V is just over priced, though I seriously doubt anyone would pay the listed MSRP price for these tables.
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I "think" I remember a post on here of someone that was looking at buying one and listed like 7500 for the table in the real world. So not the super inflated MSRP. But it is still to high to be competitive in this market. However, they are a table that would last the rest of our lives (and our kids lives) in a commercial environment.
I am unbiased on any table really (from a brand perspective). I do feel the Diamond and GC's are the best of the bunch. I just personally prefer the way a GC plays. I like the shelf better, the pockets, etc... And on a Diamond I personally like the height of the table better, and the ball return works great always. For banking, I have no preference really, they are just a bit different.
But, one thing I will never understand is how companies can have a great U.S. made table, ship their stuff off to China, cut a few corners on materials, and then ask the same price as they did the U.S. made product, and/or even more lol... This is with ANY company, not really just pool items.
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I'm open minded enough to play on Diamonds too....it's a different type game,
I still have the table that Earl ran the 11 racks in a row on and it's in stellar condition. It's a Black Crown table that looks like the Gold Crown and plays superb.
Earl won the Million Dollar Challenge on this table and I've made all of my instructional videos on this table as well. I'd say it's certainly been involved in a lot of pool history. I grew up on Brunswick tables, however, I'm open minded enough to play on Diamonds too....it's a different type game, and it's challenging, so it's ok with me.
I'm leaning towards getting a room full of Diamonds at this point, we especially like what they've done recently and a "little birdy" told me they are improving their pockets asap.
I still have the table that Earl ran the 11 racks in a row on and it's in stellar condition. It's a Black Crown table that looks like the Gold Crown and plays superb.
Earl won the Million Dollar Challenge on this table and I've made all of my instructional videos on this table as well. I'd say it's certainly been involved in a lot of pool history. I grew up on Brunswick tables, however, I'm open minded enough to play on Diamonds too....it's a different type game, and it's challenging, so it's ok with me.
I'm leaning towards getting a room full of Diamonds at this point, we especially like what they've done recently and a "little birdy" told me they are improving their pockets asap.