Tidbits from the World 14.1

That begs the question how did playing on the fast cloth come about? How and why did it become the standard. This topic may deserve a separate thread, but it's worth discussing since the only ones to try slow cloth in the modern era was the IPT. It did seem to make their version of big table 8 ball less of a run out fest.
 
StraightPoolIU said:
That begs the question how did playing on the fast cloth come about? How and why did it become the standard. This topic may deserve a separate thread, but it's worth discussing since the only ones to try slow cloth in the modern era was the IPT. It did seem to make their version of big table 8 ball less of a run out fest.
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It became the standard when Simonis started to sponsor the pro tour (when there was a pro tour). Originally 760 was designed for the tour but it was too fast and 860 was adopted. I think this was about 1988 or so. Or that's the way I recall it without looking at some magazines of the time.
 
I believe the faster cloth, along with Texas Express rules was to showcase 9-ball on TV. I heard IPT was going to broadcast 8-ball, so that's why they adopted a slower cloth.

Bob Jewett said:
It became the standard when Simonis started to sponsor the pro tour (when there was a pro tour). Originally 760 was designed for the tour but it was too fast and 860 was adopted. I think this was about 1988 or so. Or that's the way I recall it without looking at some magazines of the time.
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Mike Yednak has performed extremely well in his bracket, which includes Earl, Corey Deuel, and Stephan Cohen.

sjm said:
Ralph Eckert ran 100 and out.

Mika Immonen ran 100 and out.

Darren Appleton ran 98 and out.

Amsterdam Billiards' own Mike Yednak beat Earl Strickland.

That's all for now.
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Bob Jewett said:
It became the standard when Simonis started to sponsor the pro tour (when there was a pro tour). Originally 760 was designed for the tour but it was too fast and 860 was adopted. I think this was about 1988 or so. Or that's the way I recall it without looking at some magazines of the time.
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That makes sense. I know Simonis has done a lot for pool in terms of sponsorship so I know no one would want to derail that train, but I would be interested to see pros playing 8 ball and 14.1 on the old style slower cloth. I know that's what I grew up playing on because there was no way I was getting my parents to spring for Simonis on our home table.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It became the standard when Simonis started to sponsor the pro tour (when there was a pro tour). Originally 760 was designed for the tour but it was too fast and 860 was adopted. I think this was about 1988 or so. Or that's the way I recall it without looking at some magazines of the time.
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Sigel said there was a vote amongst the pro players at the time and more voted for the faster cloth. This was to the detriment to the better players like himself and Rempe and, according to Sigel, the opinions of the lesser players should not have been regarded. It took an aspect of the game away and made a good power stroke unnecessary.
 
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Sigel said there was a vote amongst the pro players at the time and more voted for the faster cloth. This was to the detriment to the better players like himself and Rempe and, according to Sigel, the opinions of the lesser players should not have been regarded. It took an aspect of the game away and made a good power stroke unnecessary.
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I believe Rempe says the same thing on a player review Accu-Stats tape from the 2000 US Open 14.1. I think it's his match against Ginky. It's a great video btw.
 
In Wednesday's day session, Thorsten Hohmann has just run 100 and out on Jerry Tarantola.
 
Dennis (DMG Walsh) ans Bill (Marop) have arrived from Chicago and Los Angeles respectively. Yippee!
 
Have you seen the final brackets?

sjm said:
Charlie won in a romp.
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Hi Stu,
Just saw the final brackets. Seems like someone manipulated this draw. How can all 4 past champions, plus eckert, Appleton and fulcher end up in one side? The lower bracket has only mika and hatch who really know how to play this game. Something is rotten in Denmark. Am I crazy?!?!?!
 
NYC cue dude said:
Hi Stu,
Just saw the final brackets. Seems like someone manipulated this draw. How can all 4 past champions, plus eckert, Appleton and fulcher end up in one side? The lower bracket has only mika and hatch who really know how to play this game. Something is rotten in Denmark. Am I crazy?!?!?!
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I think the legitimacy of the draw is pretty much separate from whether you're crazy or not.:grin:

The knock-out bracket is here: Knock-out Phase

The group-phase chart is here:
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/World_14_1_Bracket.pdf

The first place in each of the groups was seeded into a bye. There is no good way to determine who is best among those, so there is no good way to seed them so a random draw would be appropriate.

However, I see that there was apparently no effort to separate those who played in the prelims from the other members in their group. For example, if Parica wins his match, he immediately plays against Fulcher who won the group that Parica was in.

Setting up the Group -> Knock-out seeding could be done so that the winner in each group will not play either of the other two players from his group until (possibly) the final match. This is the kind of nicety that is lost on many TDs. In addition, it would be possible to seed the 2nd-3rd places from each group so they would have no chance to meet until the semi-final. Further, it would be possible to do this in a way such that it would be hard/impossible to conclude anything about who you might have to play in the knock-out until the draw for 1sts was done.

If you assign A for first, B for second and C for third in each of the 8 groups, then the knockout looks like this:

5A 7B 3C
4A 1B 6C
1A 4B 1C **
7A 8B 7C **
3A 5B 5C ****
2A 3B 8C
8A 2B 2C ****
6A 6B 4C **

(for reference 6A = 1st in group 6 = Dennis Hatch, etc.)

The lines marked with **** are a repeated match in the first round of the knock-out. The ones marked ** have a potential repeated match in the second round.

I think the result is not distinguishable from a random draw with the provision that 1sts get a bye and first-round matches are all 2nds vs. 3rds.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Yes, just a little clumsy.
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Very strong final 24. The obvious guys (Thorsten Hohmann, John Schmidt, Oliver Ortmann, Mika Immonen, Darren Appleton, Dennis Hatch) are likely to make a deep run, but I see a few less obvious guys who are capable of a very deep run and that would be Max Eberle, Wang Can, Corey Deuel and Jayson Shaw.

The draw looks too strong for any real Cinderella story here, but you never know. These guys can play!

Bring it on.
 
Thursday's day session in under way.

John Schmidt just ran an even 100 and leads Johnny Archer 100-40 in the race to 150.
 
Francisco Bustamante has beaten Shaun Wilkie.

Shane Van Boening has beaten Michael Yednak.
 
Barouty has a big lead on Stephan Cohen, about 75-30.

Ortmann way ahead on Eckert, about 100 balls ahead.

Jayshon Shaw and Tony Robles are locked in a tight one.
 
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