Got my free Kamui tip, but

<double sigh> Ok, lets do this.
1. Kamui tips are good. In fact I recently reccmmended someone on this very forum to try one, if he is not concerned with the price of the tip. HOWEVER there are at least a handful of tips with equal or close to equal performance in my estimation. Kamui tips are commonplace at the moment so I recommended it over the others that may be more difficult to get hold of. For anyone that had to take a intro course in marketing or economics at the university, it just gets old to see how Kamui uses every cliche straight out of marketing 101 and people actually falling for it, the high pricing beeing one of those strategies. You would think that people would see through all the marketing bs and flashy videos, but there are psychological mechanisms at work that prevent this (I don't want to bore you more than necessary).
2. I am not a tip installer by trade. I have put on my own tips ever since I first bought a cue. At the moment I don't own a lathe either. I used to borrow one but I don't any longer. There are not a whole lot of things that can go wrong during a tip install, as long as you: a: make sure the tip and ferrule bond properly, b: do not overheat the tip and c: Cut it in such a way as not to delaminate it. A lot of the elaborate techniques used by some tip installers are in my opinon detrimental to the performance of the tip (excessive burnishing for one). I base my opionion on comparisons with a so called "proffesionally" installed tip and my "amateur hackjob". Guess which performed better?
3. Authorized installer: I am sorry but I think this is a gimmick. Its not a Mercedes its a piece of leather(or more precisely several pieces glued together). And the voucher thing looks suspiciously like one of those classic scams, though it may not be. I don't really have any stake in this, so I don't know why I bothered to post this to begin with, but here we are.

Straighpool,

I *love* the <double sigh> intro...it says so much with so little. Like, "I am so smart, and you are so stupid, I've dealt with this before, but out of the goodness of my heart I will see what kind of patience I can give to your ridiculous position". Good stuff out of the gate!

It is certainly odd that you are able to perceive Kamui's strategies and classify them as "marketing 101", yet fail to understand why it is effective. Damn, those marketing textbook guys have been fooling all those students for so long now!! Is it the marketing 101 classes that are giving out the wrong info?

Also, I did not make any claim, and I don't believe Kamui made any claim, that it is only possible to install a Kamui tip if you are an authorized installer. If you want to cash in the voucher with Kamui, or purchase products at dealer cost, then you need to be an authorized installer. That't it.

See my previous post about the irrelevance of the complexity of the product.

I'm sure you do a great job. I doubt the topic of this thread will affect you in the least.

KMRUNOUT
 
Conference call w/ kamui

ok, yáll listen-up:

i just got off the phone w/ John @ Kamui - distribution rights for the US.

1) apparently NONE OF YÁLL have picked up the phone & called the mfg direct to solve problems (or knew how to "work-it"....)

2) my problems, were solved ASAP, via phone - on a BS anonymous claim from MS & no local dealer w/in 200mls for a free tip

3) yes, i'm calling all of yáll out -

* the 100 vouchers will be honored (if claimed), per John
* instructions are on the voucher....but:
- call for local dealer
- if no "local" dealer @ vicinity, then call Kamui for help
- Kamui will find you a local installer & authorize them; if you have your own mechanic, then give said info
- Kamui wants to ensure, that we get a REAL Kamui tip & it's installed properly, per Warranty (not some knock-off from China!)
- Kamui wants to build a relationship b/w end-consumer (that would be us!), and dealers, because they believe in their products. no one makes $$$$ up-front, it pays in REPEAT/REFERRAL BUSINESS

MARKETING 101

4) end of conversation
 
Last edited:
ok, yáll listen-up:

i just got off the phone w/ John @ Kamui - distribution rights for the US.

1) apparently NO ONE has picked up the phone & called the mfg direct to solve problems (or knew how to "work-it"....)

2) my problems, were solved ASAP, via phone - on a BS anonymous claim from MS & no local dealer w/in 200mls for a free tip

3) yes, i'm calling all of yáll out -

* the 100 vouchers will be honored (if claimed), per John
* instructions are on the voucher....but:
- call for local dealer
- if no "local" dealer @ vicinity, then call Kamui for help
- Kamui will find you a local installer & authorize them; if you have your own mechanic, then give said info
- Kamui wants to ensure, that we get a REAL Kamui tip & it's installed properly, per Warranty (not some knock-off from China!)
- Kamui wants to build a relationship b/w end-consumer (that would be us!), and dealers, because they believe in their products. no one makes $$$$ up-front, it pays in REPEAT/REFERRAL BUSINESS

MARKETING 101

4) end of conversation

So As Pink Lady said, if you are out of the area and need help in getting your Kamui Tip. Just call direct to Kamui and they will be happy to help anyone out. Thank everyone for your support and sorry for those of you who were out of a reasonable area to claim your tip.
 
ok, yáll listen-up:

i just got off the phone w/ John @ Kamui - distribution rights for the US.

1) apparently NONE OF YÁLL have picked up the phone & called the mfg direct to solve problems (or knew how to "work-it"....)

2) my problems, were solved ASAP, via phone - on a BS anonymous claim from MS & no local dealer w/in 200mls for a free tip

3) yes, i'm calling all of yáll out -

* the 100 vouchers will be honored (if claimed), per John
* instructions are on the voucher....but:
- call for local dealer
- if no "local" dealer @ vicinity, then call Kamui for help
- Kamui will find you a local installer & authorize them; if you have your own mechanic, then give said info
- Kamui wants to ensure, that we get a REAL Kamui tip & it's installed properly, per Warranty (not some knock-off from China!)
- Kamui wants to build a relationship b/w end-consumer (that would be us!), and dealers, because they believe in their products. no one makes $$$$ up-front, it pays in REPEAT/REFERRAL BUSINESS

MARKETING 101

4) end of conversation

Green sent
 
got me

ok, yáll listen-up:

i just got off the phone w/ John @ Kamui - distribution rights for the US.

1) apparently NONE OF YÁLL have picked up the phone & called the mfg direct to solve problems (or knew how to "work-it"....)

2) my problems, were solved ASAP, via phone - on a BS anonymous claim from MS & no local dealer w/in 200mls for a free tip

3) yes, i'm calling all of yáll out -

* the 100 vouchers will be honored (if claimed), per John
* instructions are on the voucher....but:
- call for local dealer
- if no "local" dealer @ vicinity, then call Kamui for help
- Kamui will find you a local installer & authorize them; if you have your own mechanic, then give said info
- Kamui wants to ensure, that we get a REAL Kamui tip & it's installed properly, per Warranty (not some knock-off from China!)
- Kamui wants to build a relationship b/w end-consumer (that would be us!), and dealers, because they believe in their products. no one makes $$$$ up-front, it pays in REPEAT/REFERRAL BUSINESS

MARKETING 101

4) end of conversation

""1"" You got me fair and square. I didn't get off my lazy duff and call the dealer. Just posted it right up without thinking it through. I apologized in post 26.

""2"" My name is Victor Williams from Mississippi. Kamui informed me that the nearest dealer was about 120 miles away. Now it is not a BS anonymous claim.

I plan to take my voucher with me to Greensboro and get some one pocket lessons from the AZB member who posted from there. Its not for sale.

I will add that what is easy and simple for one person to do is not always as natural and simple for others. I accept your advice as good advice. Just not prone to follow it without being reminded.
 
""2"" My name is Victor Williams from Mississippi. Kamui informed me that the nearest dealer was about 120 miles away. Now it is not a BS anonymous claim.

Victor, this post was not directed at you. i apologize if it came off as such. to clarify: i called, anonymously, as someone from Mississippi, looking for the nearest dealer - making mine, a BS claim.

and yes, i was told the same thing you were, regarding the closest dealer.
 
somebody pls help me...

i think [know] i have fallen in love with PINK...

not withstanding she is on PMS to boot!! omg what's come over me??

help me!! somebody!!
can anybody??

old and forlorn,
smokey

ok, yáll listen-up:

i just got off the phone w/ John @ Kamui - distribution rights for the US.

1) apparently NONE OF YÁLL have picked up the phone & called the mfg direct to solve problems (or knew how to "work-it"....)

2) my problems, were solved ASAP, via phone - on a BS anonymous claim from MS & no local dealer w/in 200mls for a free tip

3) yes, i'm calling all of yáll out -

* the 100 vouchers will be honored (if claimed), per John
* instructions are on the voucher....but:
- call for local dealer
- if no "local" dealer @ vicinity, then call Kamui for help
- Kamui will find you a local installer & authorize them; if you have your own mechanic, then give said info
- Kamui wants to ensure, that we get a REAL Kamui tip & it's installed properly, per Warranty (not some knock-off from China!)
- Kamui wants to build a relationship b/w end-consumer (that would be us!), and dealers, because they believe in their products. no one makes $$$$ up-front, it pays in REPEAT/REFERRAL BUSINESS

MARKETING 101

4) end of conversation
 
wow KM...

This is not *quite* a consistent analogy. A better one would be to say that I think only authorized Mercedes dealers should be able to sell a brand new Mercedes...*from Mercedes' point of view*. In other words, I'm saying it *may* be in Mercedes best interest to attempt to have some control over the customer experience, and to make sure that the dealership operates in a way that Mercedes deems is consistent with their vision of the customer experience. This way, if a customer is interested in the "Mercedes experience", they know where to go. I am not at all saying that other people can't work on them. In the tip example, anyone can buy a Kamui tip and put it on a cue, whether for themself or for someone else. If you have someone you like that does tip work, great. However, if you don't, and you are interested in finding someone who does them according to Kamui's advice, and hence you are looking for the "Kamui experience", I see no issue, and in fact many good aspects, of having a network of *authorized* Kamui installers. Do you see a problem with Harley Davidson holding certain standards? I sure hope they do!! As such, what's wrong with "certifying" various mechanics to work on Harley? I imagine this might then allow them to do warranty work, etc. So to use your analogy, you could still go to anyone to fix your bikes or cars. But if you want to have the full support of the manufacturer, do it their way!



I don't see the complexity of the product as a relevant detail. If anything, the *more* complex products would be harder for a manufacturer to support if the customer wishes to "do their own thing". What impact does stuffing a new cam and a supercharger have on your Harley's factory warranty? Especially if some no name guy at the end of your street does it in his garage?



I'm sorry you misunderstood so thoroughly. Not sure if that might be related to you not having a clue...I was not joking. But I have a pretty good ear for sarcasm ;)



I don't know who s&s is. I imagine it is some high end tuner shop? In any case, does Harley Davidson support the work of s&s? If s&s truly does great work, I imagine they would not have too much trouble being authorized by Harley to do work on those bikes?



Smokey, perhaps you are not able to tell the difference in performance between different tip installation techniques. It really isn't particularly difficult to install a tip well, yet so many installers don't do it!! Remember that becoming an authorized installer allows you to buy the tips at a reduced cost. The idea is that Kamui and the authorized installer are entering into a mutual agreement. Is that a bad thing? Your going on and on about this...you could have spent that time becoming an authorized installer. Why don't you just look into that? I'm sure if you call kamuitips.com John would give you the details.

Hope this helps,

KMRUNOUT

you must have spent a lot of time with your/this post.
do you know you have more words than i had?
anyway, all i can say is:

fine, whatever - you win...

all the best,
smokey
 
God yáll make my head hurt! and IT's FRIDAY!

ok, wrap it around this (not you, Smokey! cause you know i'm not available)

my mechanic of 25 yrs,
can rebuild any/everything
he works on my Lexus
but he's certified Mercedes
and quit them to go on his own, cause he could make $60/hr CASH, instead of Mercedes charging $120/hr & netting $40/hr
while he's riding his Harley
that he built from the ground, up.

everyone's a whore, in this economy & you have to WORK IT.

(except, Miles)
 
Voucher madness

In the future, I will offer 2 Free Taco coupons from Jack In The Box in lieu of the Kamui Vouchers.

Except in Canada.

Historically, this voucher program has been pretty successful. I can't believe that with l those who have had a grievance that only 1 person called Kamui.

This is exactly why John Bertone wont even read the AZ forums anymore because of the overwhelming stable of haters that he comes across.

Kamui's product is outstanding to me and to many pros that I personally know. One unique quality that I found with the tips is that they last longer and never mushroom. (I have used many other tips such as Moori, Sniper, Elkmaster, Triangle, Tiger and Le Pro). When used in conjunction with the Gator Grip for maintenance and either formula of Kamui Chalk, there is no better, more consistent product out there (opinion).

I would never endorse or promote a product which I don't personally use or believe in.

Furthermore, I apologize to those who may have misunderstood how exactly the Kamui Voucher Program works. I generally go out of my way to inform my audience of the logistics involved with the vouchers. It comes up quite often in commentary that the Vouchers are a 'win/win' for everyone: Kamui, POV Pool, The player, The installer.

It is designed to support the consumption of high quality tips and the installers who are willing to provide them.

Thanks to all those who defend and object to the voucher program. Most of all, thanks just for watching POV Pool and keeping it real!
 
hey POV, sri if i am partly to blame, but...

don't give up...

in part because i know that Jack's doesn't have $15.00 tacos [x2=$30.00] but really becus bfd, and you and PINK and others will find a good solution.

i'll tell you a short story:
once upon a time i was a young boy/man who lived in nyc. i loved the city for all it had to offer. living in nyc like others i did a lot of walking. i worked at broadway and 36th street [west side] and lived at 91st and 3rd [east side]. i walked home often. trust me - its a nice walk.
anyway, a day i was walking up 5th ave. and passing the Christian Science Reading Room [i am 95% sure it was on 5th ave. at the time] and in their small window they usually had a book shown open with a saying on the two visible opened pages. i loved to read their sayings. one day it said this:

""What Mind Can Conceive, Man Can Achieve.""

so... with all you 'good people' trying to find a 'good solution' i am sure you can.

i guess i came off more harsh than i realized. i didn't mean too. i do feel kamui prices are too high, but many folks obviously do not agree. a minor difference of opinion. besides, once this gets worked out i am sure many more folks will enjoy having such a coupon - it could be a Great Deal for all.

between you all, i am certain you can make this a Great Promotion for all. i hope you do.

all the best,
smokey


In the future, I will offer 2 Free Taco coupons from Jack In The Box in lieu of the Kamui Vouchers.

Except in Canada.

Historically, this voucher program has been pretty successful. I can't believe that with l those who have had a grievance that only 1 person called Kamui.

This is exactly why John Bertone wont even read the AZ forums anymore because of the overwhelming stable of haters that he comes across.

Kamui's product is outstanding to me and to many pros that I personally know. One unique quality that I found with the tips is that they last longer and never mushroom. (I have used many other tips such as Moori, Sniper, Elkmaster, Triangle, Tiger and Le Pro). When used in conjunction with the Gator Grip for maintenance and either formula of Kamui Chalk, there is no better, more consistent product out there (opinion).

I would never endorse or promote a product which I don't personally use or believe in.

Furthermore, I apologize to those who may have misunderstood how exactly the Kamui Voucher Program works. I generally go out of my way to inform my audience of the logistics involved with the vouchers. It comes up quite often in commentary that the Vouchers are a 'win/win' for everyone: Kamui, POV Pool, The player, The installer.

It is designed to support the consumption of high quality tips and the installers who are willing to provide them.

Thanks to all those who defend and object to the voucher program. Most of all, thanks just for watching POV Pool and keeping it real!
 
Last edited:
Victhestick and all others who might be offended:

Kamui Tips USA has not only a great product but great service as well.

The fact that Kamui tips USA sponsors some pool events should be reason enough to cut them some slack.

If you receive a Kamui tip voucher in the future, simply bring it to your local tip installer. If he is registered with Kamui TIPS, he will take care of your FREE tip. YOu will most likely be charged their normal installation rate.

If your local tip installer is not a Kamui tip installer, bring the voucher to him anyway and ask your local guy to contact John Bertone of Kamui tips. Their website is http://www.kamuitips.com/

By contacting John Bertone, your local tip installer will have a guarantee that YOU won't be seeing any counterfeit tips and you and he will have the full backing of Kamui tips.

If your local tip guy refuses to contact Kamui tips for whatever reason, YOU contact John Bertone and tell him the problem.

I've had nothing but good experiences with Kamui Tips as well as with John Bertone.

I didn't read the rest of the pages to see what everyone had written but if you follow my suggestions, I think you will be very happy.

Recently, I encouraged another local, cue repair guy to become a REGISTERED Kamui tip installer and I guarantee that his business will be the better for it.

John Bertone has a lot of experience that he can share with tip installers that will enable YOUR Kamui experience to be an even better one.

JoeyA
 
Joey, you know that I know that you know that I have a great respect for you.

Your last post is most likely the only one that I will ever disagree with.
 
Back
Top