Matlock vs Keith

The best players I watched play during the 70's and 80's on a barbox was,
Billy Johnson
Brian Ashley
Johnny Archer
Keith McCready
Buddy Hall
CJ Wiley
Paul Turner
Eugene Browning
Allen Hopkins
Scotty Townsend
Reid Pierce
David Matlock
Not in any special order, and I didn't play much up north or west of N.M.

I consider myself lucky... I've had the privilege of watching all those people play except Wade and Paul Turner.

Brians last name is actually spelled Atchley, and he was one hell of a bar box player back in the day.

I noted this past weekend that I saw Eugene Brownings name on the list of players at the Houston Open when I arrived. Anyone know how he did? It's been 21 years since I saw Eugene, I was at a little roadhouse in Trumann Arkansas called 'Rudy Kazoos'. Being a known pool player I walked in and the bouncer on duty said there was someone sitting at the bar that I could match up with if I wanted, I looked over and low and behold it was Eugene.

I ran away.
 
IN this mtchup I doubt you would have the nts either way you would bet. It's one I would like to have seen though and may others.
I asked Joe Salazar about this ( apretty good bar rtable player in his day too) and he gave the edge to Keith and particulatly back with the big ball. Tow grat player but totlly differnet Beasts. Dvid understood the science of tha game as well as anyone ever has but Keith ould shoot their nuts off. I twould have been fun to see. Too bad it never happened!

They have played before,in Dallas,and David beat Keith real quick
 
Coin toss. Either had the potential to bury anyone, including each other, if they were "on" that day. That being sad, Matlock may have been the more consistant of the two, but In no way would either be stealing
 
Too bad you didn't get your money in play a little sooner.
Both guys were great players,
I have heard a lot of stories about David on a barbox for good money. Never got to see him until he was much older.
One was a 10 ahead set for a couple of handfulls and he was down 8 games and got a shot and ran the set out.
An 18 pack!
That would sure be a match to watch.
Keith was always one of my favorites to watch {and listen to} lol,
 
Need to add Baltimore Buddy Dennis to that list. I staked Buddy when he beat Wade at Bennies in the 70's. I watched him go thru a lot of good players in the 70's on a bar box. Nobody had to beat him then.
 
I consider myself lucky... I've had the privilege of watching all those people play except Wade and Paul Turner.

Brians last name is actually spelled Atchley, and he was one hell of a bar box player back in the day.

I noted this past weekend that I saw Eugene Brownings name on the list of players at the Houston Open when I arrived. Anyone know how he did? It's been 21 years since I saw Eugene, I was at a little roadhouse in Trumann Arkansas called 'Rudy Kazoos'. Being a known pool player I walked in and the bouncer on duty said there was someone sitting at the bar that I could match up with if I wanted, I looked over and low and behold it was Eugene.

I ran away.

Someone told me Eugene played the 7 or more under his old speed. Brian and Scotty were two of the best at kicking to make or play safe, better than Johnny at the time. I always thought Paul played a little better than Eugene in their prime. Billy's break gave him a big advantage when he got it going. David kept whitey on a string. Hopkins was the most underrated barbox players, as no one had to like it.
 
Speaking of Paul Turner, I once heard that Paul ran 20 plus racks of 9 ball on Don Ballard one night . He was defiantly a beast on a bar table!

I played Don many times and asked him about this and he assured me along with two others that witnessed it that he did do it. Not sure if it was exactly 20 though, can't remember. Paul played as good as any human when he had his mixture right.
 
They have played before,in Dallas,and David beat Keith real quick

On the gaffe table, yes, that's true.

But how about in Lexington when Keith beat Dave in a 10-ahead set for 10-dimes in 50 minutes?

Tea for two, and two for tea. Tit for tat, and tat for tit.
 
Great post by the way ! I've played just about every one on that list back in the day ! In Ponca city I believe that Matlock was unbeatable there, and by the way a really good guy ! Wade Crane was also in the top 3 for many years, he played perfect with the big ball and also played great on the big tables ! I can tell you this much for sure, any of these players that played Keith in his prime( and they bet their own cash and most of them would'nt) would have got their nuts shot off ! Keith was fearless !!! I have played them all !
 
Speaking of Paul Turner, I once heard that Paul ran 20 plus racks of 9 ball on Don Ballard one night . He was defiantly a beast on a bar table!

How can someone be "defiantly" a beast? He declares himself a beast "no matter what anyone else says"?

:p
-Sean <-- definitely a defiant fellow
 
Great post by the way ! I've played just about every one on that list back in the day ! In Ponca city I believe that Matlock was unbeatable there, and by the way a really good guy ! Wade Crane was also in the top 3 for many years, he played perfect with the big ball and also played great on the big tables ! I can tell you this much for sure, any of these players that played Keith in his prime( and they bet their own cash and most of them would'nt) would have got their nuts shot off ! Keith was fearless !!! I have played them all !

Maybe that was true Bobby, but how often did Keith play on his own cash?

Secondly, did you ever play Buddy Hall on bar box?

Ken
 
You're hanging off of somebody's nuts, but it it ain't a Hungarian. Must get a little stuffy for you, clouding your judgment. :grin-square:

What about the Brazillians....that's the Nuts :eek:
 
I am not saying that the last time was easy either.

I happen to have a photo of these guys after the last match...look there is JAM too..:thumbup:

Ken
 

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I'm proud to say that Matlock is the best player I've ever beaten in a tournament,on a bar table too. Tommy D.
 
Maybe that was true Bobby, but how often did Keith play on his own cash?

Secondly, did you ever play Buddy Hall on bar box?

Ken

With all due respect, Ken, what does playing Keith on his money or somebody else's money have to do with how strong a player one is on a barbox?

It seems like people are nitpicking pool player's strengths on a barbox in recent threads, though I'm not sure for what purpose.

I can get Keith to post in this thread. He's been wanting to post lately on a few threads he's read on AzBilliards, but I have respectfully requested he remain mum on some topics. Keith isn't as familiar with forum culture as I am, and I don't want to see him paint himself in a corner on the black-and-white.

So having devoted hundreds, if not thousands of hours to the Keith McCready Story, I can definitely say Keith bet his own cash quite often. He used to carry big boodles of cabbage, I think they call it, but he was also staked by stakehorses when he was in his prime because he had a reputation of getting that money. Sometimes Keith would stay up all night gambling and show up at a tournament with no sleep. The tournament winner would win $5,000, but Keith would leave the tournament with 20 large from his action exploits. The tournament venues were oftentimes gathering places for players of Keith's ilk. :tongue:

Another thing that was unique about Keith when comparing him to other action players of his era is that Keith could walk into a joint and get action going, no problem. This still holds today. Some players might shoot lights out, but they have the personality of a gnat and can't get action unless it's handed to them.

The late Geese, may he rest in peace, was a GREAT action player, but he had the personality of a pitbull when it came to getting down. Geese would walk into a pool room and yell out, "Does anybody want to play some 9-ball?" and if there was no response, he'd turn to whoever he was with and say, "Okay, let's go. Nothing happening here." :eek: He just didn't have that finesse power or the gift of gab that Keith has.

What separates Keith from the rest is that everybody usually enjoyed the show, win or lose, when playing with Keith. Keith can massage, talk smack, and get down in any venue I've been with him at. Unlike Nick Varner and a few other strategic-type players, Keith had a very, very strong offensive game. You didn't see Keith playing safeties as often as others, much to his detriment sometimes, but when he did pocket that "impossible dream" shot, it was like poetry in motion. It was beautiful. :cool:

In a traditional barkfest, some players try to high-roll others players, stating, "Well, I'll play you, but you got to play for $20,000," hoping the pool player would pass if he didn't have the cash.:o

Well, with Keith, he had a Rolodex of stakehorses around the country who would back him in high-stakes action matches. One time, he got staked over the phone. The stakehorse confirmed with his opponent that he would back Keith, so that they could move forward with the festivities. :grin-square:

I kind of don't like these "Who's the best?" threads because it seems like in order to praise one player, the status quo on this forum is to demean another in doing so. I just don't get it. :(
 
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Great post by the way ! I've played just about every one on that list back in the day ! In Ponca city I believe that Matlock was unbeatable there, and by the way a really good guy ! Wade Crane was also in the top 3 for many years, he played perfect with the big ball and also played great on the big tables ! I can tell you this much for sure, any of these players that played Keith in his prime( and they bet their own cash and most of them would'nt) would have got their nuts shot off ! Keith was fearless !!! I have played them all !

Thank you for the great post. They were all good players for sure. It's nice to read a post from someone who was actually out there on the road. You're the last of a dying breed, Mr. Bobby Cotton. Wish there were more players like you today! You were fortunate to enjoy pool during its golden years. :)
 
Man, Keith just read this thread, what I wrote and a few others, and he wants to post. A few of the comments have gotten him fired up. :eek:
 
I have an old video of them playing for the hot seat of a tournament in the 80's. It was the Magnolia Classic in Hattiesburg, MS. Bar table...Dave won hill-hill. Fantastic match.

Please post if possible, that would be a great match to watch.

I've known Dave for years. He is quiet and isn't a fan of this type of stuff on the internet. He is in the mold of the gunslinger as is most of the road players. I've seen Dave play at a very high level and it's a joy to watch. I've had the privilege of watching Keith play but it wasn't during his prime but you could still see the game. He wasn't afraid of any shot. Keith used to shoot a cut shot with the object ball about a 1/2 inch off the bottom rail about a ball and half from the corner and the cueball near the corner pocket. He would almost back cut the object ball to the other corner at warp speed. It was his road shot and completely amazing how well and consistent he hit it.

It's fun for fans to talk about these match ups and it keeps the history of that era alive. The truth is that any of these great players could win at any match up but it's still fun talking about it. I think a book by Keith or David would be awesome. I also like the idea from a different thread of a HOF for barbox players in the same mode that Steve Booth created the one pocket and banks HOF.
 
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