$200 for a billiard university diploma!!

[dr_dave]

What if a high school kid beats a BU Doctorate on a rec hall table does that make him a Doctor of Billiards too?

No. To get a BU "Doctorate of Pool" diploma, one must get a very high score on both the BU Fundamentals Exam (Exam I) and the Doctorate-level BU Skills Exam (Exam II), assuming the score on Exam I was high enough to qualify for the Doctorate-level Exam II. Also, both exams would need to be taken on a 9' or larger table.

Regardless, only someone with excellent and consistent pool skills can achieve a doctorate-level total score.

Have you tried the BU Exams yet? I (and I'm sure others) would be curious to know who well you could do. You seem to portray yourself at times as an excellent player.

Please consider practicing the BU Exams and posting scores (and videos if possible) on the BU thread.

What if a World Champion scores one point lower than the current high score, does that make Gerry a World Champion?

Absolutely not. It would probably mean that the World Champion didn't practice the exams enough or give the exams complete focus at the top level of their ability.

Perhaps it should be made clear that the 'diploma' thing is a bit of tongue in cheek & is not in anyway meant as a sign of 'graduation' of an entire curriculum.

I think this is pretty clear on the BU website. Check out the BU Ratings page and the BU Diploma page to see if you think it is clear or not. Also, I think the following video (which is embedded on the front page of the BU website) is very clear concerning what a diploma represents:

NV D.1 - Billiard University - Part 1: Introduction - overview of the BU process for earning a pool diploma

Again, if you or others think otherwise, please explain why along with how you suggest it could be presented differently and more appropriately.

Regards,
Dave

 

[BeiberLvr]

The only thing I would be interested in knowing is how sales are divided between the BU staff.

If I'm a senior instructor, and sell a student a diploma at retail ($200). The student gives me $200, and I give the BU $123.50 Then I can pocket the remaining $76.50

How does that $123.50 get split up?

 

[dr_dave]

Dr. Dave,

Good Luck with the program.

Thank you.

But...perhaps you should define it VERY clearly as to just what it is.

Sorry, but I think I have done about the best I can possibly do with the BU website and the following online BU videos:

NV D.1 - Billiard University - Part 1: Introduction - overview of the BU process for earning a pool diploma
NV D.2 - Billiard University - Part 2: Table Setup - preparing to practice and take the BU exams
NV D.3 - Billiard University - Part 3: Video Recording - recording official exam runs for online submittal
NV D.4 - Billiard University - Part 4: Exam I Overview - demonstrations and scoring of the Fundamentals Exam
NV D.5 - Billiard University - Part 5: Exam II Overview - demonstrations and scoring of the Skills Exam
NV D.6 - Billiard University - Part 6: Submittal and Wrap Up - applying for a BU diploma online

Have you and others with "objections" or "concerns" watched the videos and browsed through the entire BU website yet? I would be curious if your thinking changes after actually reviewing all of the pertinent material.

Again, if you or others have specific suggestions for improvement concerning specific sections of the BU website or online videos, I would be very happy to listen.

I hope you see my points.

Sorry, but I don't.

Regards,
Dave

 

[BeiberLvr]

i am very sly in that i know how to insult within the confines of this forum. Believe me, many, many see me for what i am. Even if i myself am delusional in that regard.

I take things literal when i want to do so & not when i do not.

I am one of the kings of nit picking & twisting words & causing distortions & deceptions & diversions & making out right false statements that are slanted for your purposes.

Apparently, but not necessarily, i am not aware of how disingenuous that makes me appear to rational people.

fyp........

 

[michael4]

So; as I said, I'm confused. I really can't understand why some of the biggest names among American pool instructors are trying to profit by selling diplomas costing $150 to $200 dollars from a university that doesn't exist.

Unless you have a website with tons of free pool information, I wouldn't criticize

 

[ENGLISH!]

No. To get a BU "Doctorate of Pool" diploma, one must get a very high score on both the BU Fundamentals Exam (Exam I) and the Doctorate-level BU Skills Exam (Exam II), assuming the score on Exam I was high enough to qualify for the Doctorate-level Exam II. Also, both exams would need to be taken on a 9' or larger table.

Regardless, only someone with excellent and consistent pool skills can achieve a doctorate-level total score.

Have you tried the BU Exams yet? I (and I'm sure others) would be curious to know who well you could do. You seem to portray yourself at times as an excellent player.

Please consider practicing the BU Exams and posting scores (and videos if possible) on the BU thread.

Absolutely not. It would probably mean that the World Champion didn't practice the exams enough or give the exams complete focus at the top level of their ability.

I think this is pretty clear on the BU website. Check out the BU Ratings page and the BU Diploma page to see if you think it is clear or not. Also, I think the following video (which is embedded on the front page of the BU website) is very clear concerning what a diploma represents:

NV D.1 - Billiard University - Part 1: Introduction - overview of the BU process for earning a pool diploma

Again, if you or others think otherwise, please explain why along with how you suggest it could be presented differently and more appropriately.

Regards,
Dave

Dave,

I understand your sensitivity at this time. Some of my statements were made facetiously & not seriously.

However you made a point in that a World Champion might not score as well if he or she had not practiced the test sufficiently before trying to score well on it. That tells me that it is of artificial benefit.

To take a phrase from Hilary Clinton, what does it matter whether or not one can execute a series of drills proficiently at any given time. I never shoot any one shot repeatedly. For some there can be great benefit there for others perhaps no so much. One size does not fit all & to each his own. Everyone should be at choice.

All I was saying is that it seems based on 'Elroy's' perception is that there seems to be some ambiguity in how the program can be perceived.

If you think, as Neil seems to, that this particular test can become a method for a national or international ranking system, my opinion would be that that is bit far fetched. But one never knows.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion & expressing that opinion. Elroy expressed his & if you would have responded to him & addressed his concerns instead of ALL of the others attacking him for his opinion, I doubt we would be were we now are.

I know that that was & is beyond your control. I am just trying to make a point.

As I said, I wish you luck with the program. It is what it is. To make it out to be more or less than it actually is would be inappropriate IMO.

I am not suggesting that you are doing anything inappropriate. I was just making a general statement. Elroy seems to think that it is being misrepresented, either consciously or unconsciously.

Only you know. I think you are a sincere individual. A perceived issue has been raised. It is up to you as to how you address it. Make a change or not. It is certainly up to you.

Best Wishes,
Rick

PS I have one son's wedding & my first grand child on the way. I doubt that I will have time to 'study' for the test.:wink:

 

[dr_dave]

The only thing I would be interested in knowing is how sales are divided between the BU staff.

Honestly, I don't think this is the "business" of anybody outside the BU, but I am happy to disclose full details. Our organization is totally transparent in its operation.

The student costs for any diploma or DVD purchases are clearly outlined on the BU purchasing page. Any sales (diploma or DVD) generated by a BU instructor (professors included) create profit sharing for them according to the complete details provided on the BU Instructor profits page. The remaining profit goes into the BU general fund to recoup all of the time and expenses involved with:
- Planning and implementing the BU concept.
- Developing and maintaining the BU website.
- Developing the BU Exams, rating system, and all associate documents (score-sheets, templates, historical logs, etc.).
- Getting logos and diplomas professionally designed.
- Planning, developing, and manufacturing the BU DVD series.
- Developing, producing, and posting the BU online videos.
- Reviewing online videos and applications for diplomas.
- Printing and mailing diplomas.
- Shipping, handling, accounting, and inventory management associated with all DVD and diploma orders.
- Everything else involved with planning, organizing, developing, implementing, marketing, and running an organization like this.

Any net profits in the BU general fund are distributed to the co-owners of the BU (me and Randy Russell). I think all of this is very clear on the BU website and in the original Business Plan of our organization shared with the BU professors.

Again, everything a prospective student needs to know about costs for anything they might decide to purchase is here:

BU purchasing page

And everything a participating or interested BU instructor needs to know is here:

BU Instructor How-To Guide

and here:

BU Instructor profits page

Regards,
Dave

 

[BeiberLvr]

Some people do better with drills than others. However, I've never met one person that has actually put in the time doing them that hasn't seen some sort of improvement.

Drills are just one of a few different ways someone can improve. The benefit of drills is in the structure and repetition.

 

[Neil]

Dave,

I understand your sensitivity at this time. Some of my statements were made facetiously & not seriously.

However you made a point in that a World Champion might not score as well if he or she had not practiced the test sufficiently before trying to score well on it. That tells me that it is of artificial benefit.

To take a phrase from Hilary Clinton, what does it matter whether or not one can execute a series of drills proficiently at any given time. I never shoot any one shot repeatedly. For some there can be great benefit there for others perhaps no so much. One size does not fit all & to each his own. Everyone should be at choice.

All I was saying is that it seems based on 'Elroy's' perception is that there seems to be some ambiguity in how the program can be perceived.

If you think, as Neil seems to, that this particular test can become a method for a national or international ranking system, my opinion would be that that is bit far fetched. But one never knows.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion & expressing that opinion. Elroy expressed his & if you would have responded to him & addressed his concerns instead of ALL of the others attacking him for his opinion, I doubt we would be were we now are.

I know that that was & is beyond your control. I am just trying to make a point.

As I said, I wish you luck with the program. It is what it is. To make it out to be more or less than it actually is would be inappropriate IMO.

I am not suggesting that you are doing anything inappropriate. I was just making a general statement. Elroy seems to think that it is being misrepresented, either consciously or unconsciously.

Only you know. I think you are a sincere individual. A perceived issue has been raised. It is up to you as to how you address it. Make a change or not. It is certainly up to you.

Best Wishes,
Rick

PS I have one son's wedding & my first grand child on the way. I doubt that I will have time to 'study' for the test.:wink:

Thanks for making a previous point of mine for me. Those afraid to test themselves will find any excuse not to. You really reached to the bottom of the barrel for your excuse. LOL. You can't play pool for two hours because your kid is pregnant? WOW! Thanks for the chuckle on that one!

As far as the "artificial benefit", that statement just shows that you still do not understand the purpose of practice and drills. In your mind, you equate a drill to one specific shot, and that shot only. That is very narrow minded thinking, and that kind of thinking will make sure one never reaches their potential.

A drill teaches one how to accomplish something. Then, when they have something similar, they now know how to approach the shot to get the desired results. The wagon wheel drill is a perfect example of this. Very few pros are going to get a good score on it on their first attempt at it. However, with practice at it, they quickly LEARN how to adjust minutely to make the different shots. Each shot in the drill is different. Then, come game time, they need to make a certain position, they now know how to go about getting there. And then, because of that added skill, now their overall game has improved.

But, let's not find ways to improve, instead, it is much easier to nitpick ways others have found to be very beneficial. That way we don't have to actually do the work involved. And then we also don't have to actually put our actual work "out there" for others to see. Safer to hide behind a false front.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Neil,

It's ok he will probably spend that two hours slobbering over some pics of partially nude women over on NPR like a horney teenager.

Maybe he could persuade Elroy to join him.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk.

 

[His Boy Elroy]

As I said, I have nothing against the test . It's a fine test. I'm sure much thought and work was put into devising it. I've watched people take it. I'm sure people have enjoyed taking it and I'm sure it has enriched their pool lives..

In fact, if instead of giving the test away for free, the devisors had put it out in DVD form and charged $19.95 or even $29.95 for it, I would have no problem whatsoever. So the question then arises: Why didn't they put the test out in DVD form. the logical answer is that they obviously thought it wouldn't sell enough to be profitable.

Nevertheless, they wanted to devise a pool test and they wanted to profit from it. They had to figure out a way to do this. They came up with the idea of a pool site called "Pool University." They gave the impression that this was a pool site where such a vast amount of pool knowledge exists and where so many major figures in the pool world contributed, that calling it a university was justified.

They then came up with the idea of giving out degrees and calling them by the same names academic universities call them...bachelors, masters, masters with honors, and doctorate. To earn one of these degrees a person was required to send a video to pool university at which time a billiard university representative would confirm a score as legitimate and send back a corresponding degree...bachelors, masters, masters with
honors, and doctorate.

They promoted the idea that obtaining a degree from billiard university was desirable because it was a recognition of accomplishment from a web site founded by some of the most well known instructors in America; a web site where such a vast amount of pool knowledge exists and where so many major figures in the pool world contributed that calling it a university was justified

In fact, nothing over at that web site justifies calling it a university. If anyone thinks that this is a web site where such a vast amount of pool knowledge exists and where so many major figures contribute that calling it a university is justified, go have a look yourself. www.billiarduniversity.org. There's the test. That's about it. There are some instructional dvd's on sale, information about a 3 day teaching clinic that's going to held next July and a lot of previously published articles from Dr. Dave. Basically the site is all about the test. That's it!

The obvious implied reason they feel justified in charging $150 to $200 for a so-called degree is that is that the 8 founding instructors consider themselves of such renown that they deserved to be paid that much simply for bestowing their opinion that a person who scores such and such on their test deserves such and such degree This is of course a test they obviously thought they could not profit from if they sold it in DVD form for 19.95. Otherwise they would have done it.

So basically, what they want to do is take $150 dollars from people, put it straight in their pockets, and in exchange say "Thanks For the money Doctor."

This is ridiculous! As I said this is a fine test. If you perceive that people want recognition of their skill status that's fine. Charge them $29.95. That will cover the cost of the work put into devising the test, the work put into evaluating it, and the certificate itself; and stop calling the recognitions by the same names academic degrees are called.

Dr.Dave,
I've been told in private posts you're a good guy. The instructors are probably good guys too. Therefore I regret some of my harsh tone in previous posts, although I'm not going to apologize. Consciously or unconsciously, you guys are trying to target and take advantage of people without critical thinking skills and simply pocket their money. A lot of highly intelligent people might like a recognition of skills certificate if you charged $29.95. No one but a person sorely lacking in critical thinking skills is going to pay you $150 to $200

So I'll assume your all good guys and you don't want to take advantage of people and you simply haven't thought all this through. So my suggestion is: Why don't you give it some thought.

 

[JC]

I would rather have a BU diploma than a $189 ticket for not wearing my seat belt.

JC

 

[336Robin]

Dastardly Deed

His Boy Elroy,

Its obvious you really don't get it and are entitled to your opinion. To hear you say it Dr. Dave and the lot are all criminals. You seem to be the only one complaining so what does that tell you.

The fact is you are really young in your AzBilliards career of posting and what you've proven is that you have little to say good about anything.

Billiard University is a great test of skill and is a way of rating players from novice to world class. One should be proud to test out at world class so its something to work for.

In a world where handicapping has become the norm I find it personally refreshing to find some truth reporting a players level of play. Dr. Dave himself not to mention the other Professors have donated more material for the sake of pool than most people know.

If you haven't noticed what has happened here is that you have PBIA and World Class authors, instructors coming together. Why do you think that is? Have you given any thought to it? Its certainly not because Pool is thriving. Billiard University in my opinion is for those you want to take the test, pass the exam and be proud of their rated level of play. If you use this as a barometer to find out what you need for your game and you practice until you are worthy of your Doctorate that is quite an achievement.

No one in Pool is making any money to speak of....ask around. Pool is something we do because we love it and running World Class Instructors down isn't exactly the way to make friends and influence people.

Your pitiful attempts to alledge that these people are charlatans out to take other unsuspecting players money are pubescent. It's only "you" and perhaps "English" that seem to understand their Dastardly Deed. We have been duly warned, Thank you very much. You have made your point quite well. We all understand you. It just seems that you don't understand the mission of the University and the diploma program and refuse to consider that perhaps you have been wrong about it. You are certainly opinionated and you seem to be at least one of the few that have it.

 

[dr_dave]

As I said, I have nothing against the test . It's a fine test. I'm sure much thought and work was put into devising it. I've watched people take it. I'm sure people have enjoyed taking it and I'm sure it has enriched their pool lives..

In fact, if instead of giving the test away for free, the devisors had put it out in DVD form and charged $19.95 or even $29.95 for it, I would have no problem whatsoever.

What do you have against the BU Exams, rating system, and all of the supporting materials being available for free? The 3-DVD BU instructional series is available for purchase for those who want instructional help. The DVDs cover the exams in detail along with lots of instruction dealing with fundamentals, aiming systems for various types of shots, cue ball control and run-out strategies, and the break shot.

So the question then arises: Why didn't they put the test out in DVD form. the logical answer is that they obviously thought it wouldn't sell enough to be profitable.

The reason why we put all of the exam materials and rating system stuff out there for free is that we wanted people to use it. We also hoped instructors around the world would embrace the BU concept. We also wanted instructors to benefit from any profits they help generate (mostly from DVD sales). I never once even thought about charging for the exams and rating system. Nor did I ever want to charge instructors any annual membership dues or training fees. We wanted instructors and students to have absolutely no reason to not use and benefit from our stuff.

Nevertheless, they wanted to devise a pool test and they wanted to profit from it.

Not true. The main expected source of profit is DVD sales, both directly from the website and through all of our instructors who also benefit from the sales. We also hoped the diplomas could generate some profit if the BU system became popular and widespread, but I always doubted the potential concerning diploma sales (regardless of the price). Having said that, I still think there are people out there who would value the diploma and not think the price is inappropriate. Again, the value of a diploma is explained at the bottom of the BU diploma section on the website. You obvious don't value these things or appreciate how much work and time went into developing the BU, but people with disposable income, a passion for pool excellence, and appreciation for what we offer might think otherwise.

...nothing over at that web site justifies calling it a university.

I think I have addressed this completely and clearly in previous posts. I won't repeat myself.

Dr.Dave,
I've been told in private posts you're a good guy. The instructors are probably good guys too. Therefore I regret some of my harsh tone in previous posts, although I'm not going to apologize.

Interesting. You "regret" your harsh tone, but you are not "sorry" for it. Again, I wish the BU had a counseling center to which I could refer you to explore those feelings further.

...you simply haven't thought all this through. So my suggestion is: Why don't you give it some thought.

Anybody who knows me and my work knows that I have thought this through a very long time already, with significant input from many respected people. Sorry, but I see no need to put any more thought into any of your criticisms because they honestly don't make much sense to me. Sorry.

Regards,
Dave

 

[kolaas]

Not wanting to kiss any buts here, but I highly respect all the work that dr Dave has done for pool. He has researched a great deal of pool and gives alot of the information for free.

Watching his (high speed) videos where he analyzes all kind of things, tested billiard myths and more in a very clear way has helped me alot.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DrDaveBilliards

Take a video like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo_43UDcmvk

And this site: http://dr-dave-billiards.com/
Accompanied with the book and/or dvds this is great material.

And yes, he makes profit of it. But if you see how much time, energy and love for the game he has put in then that is totally justified.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Quote:
Originally Posted by english! View Post
i am very sly in that i know how to insult within the confines of this forum. Believe me, many, many see me for what i am. Even if i myself am delusional in that regard.

I take things literal when i want to do so & not when i do not.

I am one of the kings of nit picking & twisting words & causing distortions & deceptions & diversions & making out right false statements that are slanted for your purposes.

Apparently, but not necessarily, i am not aware of how disingenuous that makes me appear to rational people.

fyp........

How honest is that? To put up a "quote" with words changed. You covered your butt, but the impression & distortion is there.

You proved my point.

Instead of discussing a difference of opinion or an issue, you play childish games of personal attacks & insults.

You & some others are so immature that there is only one way to handle such childish behavior.

:ignore:______________:ignore:

 

[His Boy Elroy]

What do you have against the BU Exams, rating system, and all of the supporting materials being available for free? The 3-DVD BU instructional series is available for purchase for those who want instructional help. The DVDs cover the exams in detail along with lots of instruction dealing with fundamentals, aiming systems for various types of shots, cue ball control and run-out strategies, and the break shot.

The reason why we put all of the exam materials and rating system stuff out there for free is that we wanted people to use it. We also hoped instructors around the world would embrace the BU concept. We also wanted instructors to benefit from any profits they help generate (mostly from DVD sales). I never once even thought about charging for the exams and rating system. Nor did I ever want to charge instructors any annual membership dues or training fees. We wanted instructors and students to have absolutely no reason to not use and benefit from our stuff.

Not true. The main expected source of profit is DVD sales, both directly from the website and through all of our instructors who also benefit from the sales. We also hoped the diplomas could generate some profit if the BU system became popular and widespread, but I always doubted the potential concerning diploma sales (regardless of the price). Having said that, I still think there are people out there who would value the diploma and not think the price is inappropriate. Again, the value of a diploma is explained at the bottom of the BU diploma section on the website. You obvious don't value these things or appreciate how much work and time went into developing the BU, but people with disposable income, a passion for pool excellence, and appreciation for what we offer might think otherwise.

I think I have addressed this completely and clearly in previous posts. I won't repeat myself.

Interesting. You "regret" your harsh tone, but you are not "sorry" for it. Again, I wish the BU had a counseling center to which I could refer you to explore those feelings further.

Anybody who knows me and my work knows that I have thought this through a very long time already, with significant input from many respected people. Sorry, but I see no need to put any more thought into any of your criticisms because they honestly don't make much sense to me. Sorry.

Regards,
Dave

Here's the psychology of what you're trying to do. You're calling your site "billiard university." The message you're giving out to intelligent people is that this is tongue in cheek. You're fully aware, however, that there is a segment out there without enough critical thinking ability to perceive the tongue in cheek aspect and who actually think they are obtaining a degree from a legitimate billiard university. You charge these people $200 for a so - called diploma.

You then give out the test for free. It's a wonderful test. People benefit from it. You know that if you give something to people that they enjoy and benefit from, they are far less likely to look at the operation critically and see what you're really doing

I think I said pretty much the same thing in my first post. I have absolutely nothing to apologize for as to my assertions. I only regretted my harshness in expressing them. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I was told that you were a good guy. I know I'm guilty of being thoughtless from time to time. I regretted the fact that I didn't simply point out to you your thoughtlessness instead of being so harsh.

I'll assume the other folks involved in billiard university are good folks who were just not thinking when they entered into this. I'll assume because they're good folks, when they think about it, they'll see the error of their ways and rectify it. I'll have to admit; I've made a few errors in my life that when I've been made aware of, had to rectify. That's why I regret being so harsh. At the same time I'm in no way going to apologize for my assertions

as for you Dr. Dave...you're a shyster and a fraud!

 

[BeiberLvr]

How honest is that? To put up a "quote" with words changed. You covered your butt, but the impression & distortion is there.

You proved my point.

Instead of discussing a difference of opinion or an issue, you play childish games of personal attacks & insults.

You & some others are so immature that there is only one way to handle such childish behavior.

:ignore:______________:ignore:

I'm sorry, your original post (the one I quoted) was directed at Neil. I simply changed a few words to make it more accurate.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Thanks for making a previous point of mine for me. Those afraid to test themselves will find any excuse not to. You really reached to the bottom of the barrel for your excuse. LOL. You can't play pool for two hours because your kid is pregnant? WOW! Thanks for the chuckle on that one!

As far as the "artificial benefit", that statement just shows that you still do not understand the purpose of practice and drills. In your mind, you equate a drill to one specific shot, and that shot only. That is very narrow minded thinking, and that kind of thinking will make sure one never reaches their potential.

A drill teaches one how to accomplish something. Then, when they have something similar, they now know how to approach the shot to get the desired results. The wagon wheel drill is a perfect example of this. Very few pros are going to get a good score on it on their first attempt at it. However, with practice at it, they quickly LEARN how to adjust minutely to make the different shots. Each shot in the drill is different. Then, come game time, they need to make a certain position, they now know how to go about getting there. And then, because of that added skill, now their overall game has improved.

But, let's not find ways to improve, instead, it is much easier to nitpick ways others have found to be very beneficial. That way we don't have to actually do the work involved. And then we also don't have to actually put our actual work "out there" for others to see. Safer to hide behind a false front.

As always, you think you can read minds & then relay what you have read from someone's mind for all to see & then put words into others' mouths all to create your distortions of the truth.

I'll leave it to the general readership to make their own determinations.

You are not worth one more minute of my time & I would suggest that you are also not worth one moment of anyone's time that does not know you personally.

I've wasted way too much time in the past playing your games.

I won't any longer.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Here's the psychology of what you're trying to do. You're calling your site "billiard university." The message you're giving out to intelligent people is that this is tongue in cheek. You're fully aware, however, that there is a segment out there without enough critical thinking ability to perceive the tongue in cheek aspect and who actually think they are obtaining a degree from a legitimate billiard university. You charge these people $200 for a so - called diploma.

You then give out the test for free. It's a wonderful test. People benefit from it. You know that if you give something to people that they enjoy and benefit from, they are far less likely to look at the operation critically and see what you're really doing

I think I said pretty much the same thing in my first post. I have absolutely nothing to apologize for as to my assertions. I only regretted my harshness in expressing them. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I was told that you were a good guy. I know I'm guilty of being thoughtless from time to time. I regretted the fact that I didn't simply point out to you your thoughtlessness instead of being so harsh.

I'll assume the other folks involved in billiard university are good folks who were just not thinking when they entered into this. I'll assume because they're good folks, when they think about it, they'll see the error of their ways and rectify it. I'll have to admit; I've made a few errors in my life that when I've been made aware of, had to rectify. That's why I regret being so harsh. At the same time I'm in no way going to apologize for my assertions

as for you Dr. Dave...you're a shyster and a fraud!

I know this is an internet forum and all, but you should be weary of throwing around such slanderous accusations.