Rodney Morris Challenges the Top 25 European Players

I am from Europe and I am very well familiar with European pool scene and BELIEVE me,there is no one here who would beat Rodney for 25K,no one.Also,it would be hard to find any player in Europe who has money or backers for this going on.
There are few who are strong money players but not caliber as Rodney is.Also,here players are not used on high stacks and their self confidence in money matches with high stacks are really low and almost all of them have never played not for 10K.
So,he would beat everyone here,and that's for sure.
Also,I know and can guarantee that high stack match like this is never gonna happen because of all these facts I written,and from my experience too.
Unless any of you American supporters of European players would invest your own money on that bet and back any of them up ,since there is no one here who would put money in this game on any Europeans.Of course,there would be many who would talk otherwise but not one would give money and back them when comes to this.You will see I have right about this.
Ivica
 
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Sure,there would be a few who would play if they don't use their own money for the bet,but there will be no one who would back them since those who invest money know better.It is easy to talk but it becomes different when REAL money is involved.
 
Sure there would be some who would play him if their own money isn't involved,but there will be no any backers,since those who has money and are willing to invest it knows better.So,this is the most objective way of thinking when talks say differently.From this you could see who is right on any topic,mostly.
 
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What is this world coming to, Questioning patriotism in pool??

john schmidt said:
let me ask u a question if I may. if rodney an American played a pinoy who would u root for. a simple rodney or the pinoy would suffice. again your American so this should b easy one but I thought id ask u. I sense a bias when u mention usa players so I thought it dilutes your opinion on this subject. I think the pinoys r fantastic people and players but if rodney plays them ill pull for rodney because hes American and so am i.
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Wow, aren't you getting testy ?
You should retract that question. Questioning Jay's patriotism/nationalism card is uncalled for. Are you doing a Lynne Cheney? http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2006/10/29/8337/blitzer-cheney/
It is not as if US is at war with another country and Jay is supporting other side. This is pool , lighten up. Jay is a world citizen and he can damn well support whichever country he likes in sports and his patriotism should not be questioned.
I have read Jay's write ups and IMHO it is one of most balanced, holistic views of world pool (not just US pool). And yes I support Jay's assessment/predictions on Rodney vs others cos I would take the assessment of a holistic well rounded pool watcher than a top pro player (who has played all the top players) anytime. Top players do not always make top judges/predictors. With the great Pele, they say you will win if you bet against his predictions/ judgements cos he seldom gets it right. That is also why the top sports coaches are not top players (eg. Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger). By and large in sports playing ability in inversely proportional to predictive/judgemental ability cos they involve different skill sets. :grin:

ivicafranic said:
I am from Europe and I am very well familiar with European pool scene and BELIEVE me,there is no one here who would beat Rodney for 25K,no one.Also,it would be hard to find any player in Europe who has money or backers for this going on.
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Be careful there. You do not want people to question your patriotism when you support the other side LOL :grin:
 
CJ Wiley said:
Rodney Morris is one of the best money players on the planet in my opinion. He challenged (on Face Book) the top 25 players to bet 20k and play them all back to back.

Could the European's actually have 25 players that would have a chance to win against Rodney Morris? Maybe in tournaments, but playing for money is a whole other matter.

The Philippines may have a couple of players that could compete with Rodney, but I''m not sure they would actually play for 20k a set.
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It would depend on how long the race is.IMHO,if he plays them all back to back,there's no way he's winning unless
he breaks all there arms as they walk into the poolroom.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Rodney Morris is one of the best money players on the planet in my opinion. He challenged (on Face Book) the top 25 players to bet 20k and play them all back to back.

Could the European's actually have 25 players that would have a chance to win against Rodney Morris? Maybe in tournaments, but playing for money is a whole other matter.

The Philippines may have a couple of players that could compete with Rodney, but I''m not sure they would actually play for 20k a set.
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I'd say he's lose half of those sets. Maybe a bit more. He's a bit like some other players that shoot too fast for their own good, Vivian, Joey (the one that won the Tucker rotation tour). Some shots just need another few seconds to line up or think about. He does have more skill than most players that do that so he gets out of those types of mistakes more often.
 
ivicafranic said:
I am from Europe and I am very well familiar with European pool scene and BELIEVE me,there is no one here who would beat Rodney for 25K,no one.Also,it would be hard to find any player in Europe who has money or backers for this going on.
There are few who are strong money players but not caliber as Rodney is.Also,here players are not used on high stacks and their self confidence in money matches with high stacks are really low and almost all of them have never played not for 10K.
So,he would beat everyone here,and that's for sure.
Also,I know and can guarantee that high stack match like this is never gonna happen because of all these facts I written,and from my experience too.
Unless any of you American supporters of European players would invest your own money on that bet and back any of them up ,since there is no one here who would put money in this game on any Europeans.Of course,there would be many who would talk otherwise but not one would give money and back them when comes to this.You will see I have right about this.
Ivica
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Ivica knows! The Putnik has spoken. :rolleyes:
 
john schmidt said:
the americans take pool too lax. if rodney had money posted and practiced everyday for a month and he play any Asian on earth trust me they would have a battle on their hands. they practice and play everyday. rodney has like 6000 girls chasing him and he parties daily so your right as of right now today he might lose but if he practiced for month hard he can hang with anybody . your American jay let me ask u a question if I may. if rodney an American played a pinoy who would u root for. a simple rodney or the pinoy would suffice. again your American so this should b easy one but I thought id ask u. I sense a bias when u mention usa players so I thought it dilutes your opinion on this subject. I think the pinoys r fantastic people and players but if rodney plays them ill pull for rodney because hes American and so am i.
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Thanks John for asking me an "easy" one like that. I would root for the guy I have money on, okay. If I'm not betting on the match, I don't care who wins, I just want to see a good match. Whether you know it or not John, I've bet on you before, one time I won $500 and another time I lost $300. I've also staked you more than once or did you forget that too? :D

P.S. You can ask Rodney who loaned him 10K when he was short on cash. Personally I happen to like Rodney a lot. But I don't let friendship cloud my judgment if I'm staking players or betting on them. I have a close friendship with Dennis O. and have made some serious money with him. But more than once I've told him I don't like a game he's in and I'm not putting any money in with him. And guess what, I've been right more than I was wrong. :smile:
 
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Under the radar hustlers that can beat the best? Once upon a time, for sure! Not so in America! Many suggested that the best hustlers in America would come out in droves for the riches of the IPT and they were right. Many predicted that these players were good enough to beat the top dogs and they were wrong.

In America, the top pros are the best players by a lot. I'd be surprised if it is not the same in Europe.

As we all know, Asia, where the talent pool is as deep as the Pacific Ocean, is another story.
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks John for asking me and "easy" one like that. I would root for the guy I have money on, okay. If I'm not betting on the match, I don't care who wins, I just want to see a good match. Whether you know it or not John, I've bet on you before, one time $500 I won and another time $300 and I lost. I also staked you more than once or did you forget that too? :D
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good answer and i think the right one. what about if your watching a top pinoy and say me a american player but your not betting. just curious. lol
oh u said u wouldnt care u just want to c good pool. c thats a easy one for me id pull for the american cause i live greatest country in world america. oh well to each his own thats what makes world go around
 
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john schmidt said:
good answer and i think the right one. what about if your watching a top pinoy and say me a american player but your not betting. just curious. lol
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Well I'm just gonna root for you every time John cause you're so good looking. :D
Actually John, I do enjoy your company and think you're a great player too (maybe the best all-around!), even though you disappointed me one time. But I forgive you for that and you know what I mean.
 
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I saw and been involved in many money games here in Europe and have never seen any money game for 10k per set or more.Only guy from Europe I saw in person playing for 15k is Stalev and that's it.I saw much games for 5k but almost never few sets in a row.When someone here lost playing for this money almost all the times quit playing after first set.At the other hand European players are regularly very short with money and don't find stakehorses very easily since guys with money are avoiding pool comunity.Guess why!?
Regarding to Putnik he is broke and has no chance playing to any better pro player.The guys who really play some serious pool have no respect for him,but it is true if he has money he would play although he has no chance for winning.Kind of ego.
 
I saw and been involved in many money games here in Europe and have never seen any money game for 10k per set or more.Only guy from Europe I saw in person playing for 15k is Stalev and that's it.I saw much games for 5k but almost never few sets in a row.When someone here lost playing for this money almost all the times quit playing after first set.At the other hand European players are regularly very short with money and don't find stakehorses very easily since guys with money are avoiding pool comunity.Guess why!?
Regarding to Putnik he is broke and has no chance playing to any better pro player.The guys who really play some serious pool have no respect for him,but it is true if he has money he would play although he has no chance for winning.Kind of ego.
 
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jay helfert said:
Well I'm just gonna root for you every time John cause you're so good looking. :D
Actually John, I do enjoy your company and think you're a great player too (maybe the best all-around!), even though you disappointed me one time. But I forgive you for that and you know what I mean.
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im guessing when i lost that 12ball ghost set.
well bobby hunter and i forgave u for that little snafu with the draw in sacramento years ago so i guess that makes things a wash.
ill root for u too j not only for your good looks but because i consider u a usa guy.if that makes me weird then im weird
 
john schmidt said:
im guessing when i lost that 12ball ghost set.
well bobby hunter and i forgave u for that little snafu with the draw in sacramento years ago so i guess that makes things a wash.
ill root for u too j not only for your good looks but because i consider u a usa guy.if that makes me weird then im weird
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Did somebody say "USA"? :grin:
USA, ALL THE WAY!
USA, ALL THE WAY!
USA, ALL THE WAY!

I like John and Jay both, and they're made in the USA! ;)
 
I saw and been involved in many money games here in Europe and have never seen any money game for 10k per set or more.Only guy from Europe I saw in person playing for 15k is Stalev and that's it.I saw much games for 5k but almost never few sets in a row.When someone here lost playing for this money almost all the times quits playing after first set.At the other hand European players are regularly very short with money and don't find stakehorses very easily since guys with money are avoiding pool comunity.Guess why!?
Regarding to Putnik he is broke and has no chance playing to any better pro player.The guys who really play some serious pool have no respect for him,but it is true if he has money he would play although he has no chance for winning.Kind of ego.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Rodney's beat every top player for money that he's played in the last few years. I seriously doubt if Appleton would play him for money......I'm sure he knows about the challenge and hasn't responded.

It's just cool to see someone actually make a serous challenge like this these days. He's from the "old school' and frustrated that no one gambles here in the US much anymore. This also comes from people saying Europe could make 5 Mosconi Cup teams that could compete with the USA this year and that's just craziness.

THE BREAK RULES HAVE CHANGED THIS YEAR FOR THE MOSCONI CUP....here' what Johnny Archer says about what's going on this year:

Johnny Archer
October 21 via mobile
The oddsmakers have come out with the line on The Mosconi Cup. They have Europe a 7-4 favorite. I don't think Europe is favored. Especially with the new break rule this year. We will be using a 4 inch wide break box in the center of the table and the 9 will be racked on the spot. We will have a gentleman's agreement to break the balls head on. I dont think we are underdogs. DO YOU???
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And I always thought betting lines were created to generate having a ton of Quid wagered as close to equal on both sides so the betting shops can get fat off the vig. These oddsmakers are based in the UK, no? Are the Vegas sport books taking action on the MC? I asked my "man" this morning when I placed my NFL action ( for fun and amusement only) what his line was on the MC and he didn't know what I was talking about. This 7-4 line may reflect the UK books like the chances of the US team more so than in recent years
 
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