Rodney Morris Challenges the Top 25 European Players

CJ Wiley said:
That's exciting, D. , I haven't been to Philly since we were playing the Fusco Brothers many years ago. Is Jimmy Fusco still there? I haven't seen him in many years.

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I know pete fusco the owner ...

jimmy i dont think plays anymore..

i was there last month for first time in a year its a great club around 90mins by car from me.

its a perfect venue for high stake money matches and safe.
 
dynamite said:
i not from philly.. i live in allentown but hardly home because travel a lot.. am from england that would be my home venue if i was ever to play a match at a venue of my choice..


but in america on the east coast i just know the table at the spot pool room tight brunswick is a perfect venue. i only been there 3 times in my whole life.

in the new year i will be in touch regards games and dates.
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No problem..As long as it is a good tight table its a go..Talked to JJ and Team Tx agrees to play..No b.s. straight forward gambling.We know that's what u want also.Just let me or Jj know when is good for u and we well get it worked out..Good luck in any other game u get..
 
CJ Wiley said:
Do you really think the rack makes that much of a difference if the Referee is trying to rack them well? So the Mosconi Cup could be rigged because the players don't look at the rack?

Has anyone went back and looked at the Mosconi Cup footage to see how many players check the rack before breaking each time......I'm sure they would want to get that advantage......if there is one.....but guess what........

You won't find one Champion player that will agree with you, sorry, that's the facts. If a Referee is honestly trying to rack them well, it will make 0% difference......no advantage either way for the players.

Please prove me wrong, get one player that's ever won a major tournament to agree that it makes any difference and I'll admit I'm wrong.....just one player, sure there's one.

Good luck, you're' going to have an easier time finding a dead ball in a 6 Ball Rack. ;)
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Just wanted to mention I'm watching a match on Accu-Stats pay-per-view. It's between Nick Varner and Danny Medina. Every time Medina racks, Varner thoroughly checks the rack.

Billy Incardona (who is doing commentary) says, "There is nothing wrong with meticulously checking the rack." He then goes on to mention that even if it's not intentional, a bad rack can screw up a player's momentum.

So there you have it, Billy Incardona, a member of the One Pocket Hall of Fame does not agree with you. Oh, and judging by Varner's willingness to constantly check the rack, I'm going to assume he disagrees with you as well. You asked for one champion, so my apologies for going overboard and giving you two.

Finally, before you say there's a difference between a referee racking and your opponent racking. Let me just add this. If a player is racking for his opponent, and he knows his opponent will check the rack. What logic is there in doing anything other than trying to give them the best rack possible?
 
We've been talking about Referees racking the whole time.

BeiberLvr said:
Just wanted to mention I'm watching a match on Accu-Stats pay-per-view. It's between Nick Varner and Danny Medina. Every time Medina racks, Varner thoroughly checks the rack.

Billy Incardona (who is doing commentary) says, "There is nothing wrong with meticulously checking the rack." He then goes on to mention that even if it's not intentional, a bad rack can screw up a player's momentum.

So there you have it, Billy Incardona, a member of the One Pocket Hall of Fame does not agree with you. Oh, and judging by Varner's willingness to constantly check the rack, I'm going to assume he disagrees with you as well. You asked for one champion, so my apologies for going overboard and giving you two.

Finally, before you say there's a difference between a referee racking and your opponent racking. Let me just add this. If a player is racking for his opponent, and he knows his opponent will check the rack. What logic is there in doing anything other than trying to give them the best rack possible?
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Of course they check their opponent's rack, Nick's not crazy LoL .

We've been talking about Referees racking the whole time.....anyway, it doesn't matter anymore, check all you want to, it's your choice now.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Finally, before you say there's a difference between a referee racking and your opponent racking. Let me just add this. If a player is racking for his opponent, and he knows his opponent will check the rack. What logic is there in doing anything other than trying to give them the best rack possible?
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CJ Wiley said:
Of course they check their opponent's rack, Nick's not crazy LoL .

We've been talking about Referees racking the whole time.....anyway, it doesn't matter anymore, check all you want to, it's your choice now.
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Did you skip over that last part I typed?

The refs are professionals, and I don't believe they would show bias towards any particular player. With that being said, they're also human (as stated many times already), and capable of making errors. Not one person has suggested checking the rack, AND making the ref re-rack. I don't think anybody wants that. What they do want is for every player to have the opportunity to take 5 seconds to look at the rack, find the imperfections, and break accordingly.

When the match is hill-hill, and it's your break up 4-3 in the final set. The last thing you want to happen is to come up dry on the break.

Not checking the rack before the break is like shooting a straight back, but not being allowed to see if the ball is frozen to the rail.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Did you skip over that last part I typed?

The refs are professionals, and I don't believe they would show bias towards any particular player. With that being said, they're also human (as stated many times already), and capable of making errors. Not one person has suggested checking the rack, AND making the ref re-rack. I don't think anybody wants that. What they do want is for every player to have the opportunity to take 5 seconds to look at the rack, find the imperfections, and break accordingly.

When the match is hill-hill, and it's your break up 4-3 in the final set. The last thing you want to happen is to come up dry on the break.

Not checking the rack before the break is like shooting a straight back, but not being allowed to see if the ball is frozen to the rail.
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How about reducing the levels of OCD in pro pool?

Let refs ref and players play - hopefully both quickly.
 
Players not checking racks sometimes boils down to "I don't want to look nitty".
In front of the cameras and a jeering crowd, players may pass on checking
even though they understand the importance of it.

In the case of the mosconi cup in particular, they may not check because the whole break
is different and doesn't rely on 6 different balls all touching just right. You just need the 1 ball tight.
The 1 is the ball that every ref takes care to freeze, so the break generally works
without meticulous double-checking.

Subconsciously it may also matter that they're supposed to be honored to be there,
and they're getting paid well win or lose. They may not want to offend those who
put them on pool's most prestigious team.
 
19 total rack checks at this year's Mosconi Cup.

Souqet - 6
Hatch - 4
Morris - 3 (1 of which was a re-rack)
Archer - 3
Appleton -2
Immonen -1
 
Rodney is a nice guy, but he is definitely the weakest link on the Mosconi Cup team. Great shot maker, but his position play is suspect.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Rodney Morris is one of the best money players on the planet in my opinion. He challenged (on Face Book) the top 25 players to bet 20k and play them all back to back.

Could the European's actually have 25 players that would have a chance to win against Rodney Morris? Maybe in tournaments, but playing for money is a whole other matter.

The Philippines may have a couple of players that could compete with Rodney, but I''m not sure they would actually play for 20k a set.
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why should they care?
They obviously hurt Mr. Morris feelings by beating team USA quite severely and he`s trying to get back by sounding like a big shot.
Most of the European players don`t gamble as they have long since seen that there is no future in that way of living.

I actually watched a few of Mr. Morris Mosconi matches today and even though he is too quick to shoot and do some stupid mistakes i really liked he`s "care free" attitude.
He seemed to be having fun out there instead of clearly being miserable like Earl and Archer was.
 
Kim Bye said:
why should they care?
They obviously hurt Mr. Morris feelings by beating team USA quite severely and he`s trying to get back by sounding like a big shot.
Most of the European players don`t gamble as they have long since seen that there is no future in that way of living.

I actually watched a few of Mr. Morris Mosconi matches today and even though he is too quick to shoot and do some stupid mistakes i really liked he`s "care free" attitude.
He seemed to be having fun out there instead of clearly being miserable like Earl and Archer was.
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This challenge was issued before the Mosconi Cup.
 
easy-e said:
This challenge was issued before the Mosconi Cup.
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There's too many threads to keep up with. But I'll say this, it relates to gambling and recent events. Last Wednesday night, Hatch came into the Euro party at the Mirage Beatles Revolution Bar, and was VERY well received. Well, well received until "the (soon to be passed by) incident". But before that...

Hatch, with the entire Euro team encircled - offered any Euro member: "any of you, $20K" Silence. Daz's lower lip didn't move. I'll never forget this. Anyone there won't dispute this.

The diff between gambling and tournies or M Cup, is perhaps a cultural thing IMO. US and Europe are geared differently. And I'd also have a hard time betting against Rodney vs any of them. Or Johnny, or Shane. You pick the line one on one.

Again, US players ARE geared differently.
 
Hatch challenged Daz for 10,000$ a set and Daz said that he will play for 20,000$. No rsponse from Hatch
 
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