There Is NO Hope For Pro Pool IMO

Asia

Pro pool may be dead in North America but don't forget that the world is a big place. Pool is is quite popular on the other side of the globe, maybe we should be looking at what they are doing right.
 
when your ass falls asleep-

A lot the things I thought that could make pro pool a legit sport when I came on here 10+ years ago are the same today. Only now I've lost all hope. The only difference is today I feel pro pool will never get much bigger than it has been and probably much worse. Tournaments with 25k or more are just about finished. There still is no pro pool organization. Promoters and players are still pulling in different directions. Players are still doing biz at tournaments no matter how big they are. Casinos still won't take bets on pool...who can blame them. Very little new blood has come into the sport. The gate at pro tournaments amounts to about nothing. There are still no big sponsors like Ford, Nike, Bud, and the like. Ad a very poor economy and you have enough nails to seal pro pool in its coffin for good. Johnnyt

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Do you change positions?
How uncomfortable do you need to be before you NEED to move?
It's hard to be depressed when you take action-maybe a pause on posting and going out there one on one to room owners and seeing what YOU can do might give you some fulfillment...
 
It has been mention numerous times that it has been mentioned numerous time that Pool is thriving, in Asia.
 
It has been mention numerous times that it has been mentioned numerous time that Pool is thriving, in Asia.

SORRY - I couldn't resist :thumbup:
 
Personally, the hustler / gamblers perception is what has made pool an up hill commercial battle. Take the films Hustler & Color of Money - two exceptional films, but that's it FILMS!

Art should follow Life :thumb up:
When Life follows Art... there's trouble ahead!

Watch the first minute of this cartoon... vintage 1950's attitude towards pool halls and the people who go there. That still lingers to some degree, and movies like TCOM, the Hustler & even Poolhall Junkes contribute to that still.

We need another pool movie that casts a more positive light on billiards....

Mighty Mouse - Spare the Rod
 
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Do you change positions?
How uncomfortable do you need to be before you NEED to move?
It's hard to be depressed when you take action-maybe a pause on posting and going out there one on one to room owners and seeing what YOU can do might give you some fulfillment...

Nah, I'll just stay home and keep posting just to piss you off. Johnnyt
 
Is this not a good plan or good start and if not please help with advice.

Phase 1
512 of America’s higher level players (8 players each at 64 of our better billiard clubs)
They play 7 weeks locally with week 8 being a 1 day regional playoff for 256 of them.
Week 9 is their 2 day national championship where 32 of them have qualified and all 32 are guaranteed a minimum $1,000. We do that 6 times a year.
Payouts something like this;
$10,000, $6,000, $3,000 3rd 4th, $2,000 5th 8th , $1,500 9th 16th 17-32 $1,000ea plus some regional payouts. Worst case or loss per player would be they played 42 matches over the course of the year at a cost of $1050 and never won a penny back.

Phase 2
Each of these players obtains a LOCAL sponsor of $100 per month (remember they are playing locally 42 weeks a year) and then our top 512 are playing for free AND the billiard industry is bringing in about $600,000 from outside the industry, more if some of those local sponsors take a little interest in their horse and actually come in or refer friends to come in to watch some matches.
In this phase we could stay at 6 national events with players playing for free or move it to 12 national events costing our players $75 per month plus their $100 sponsorship.

Phase 3
Building a fan base for players nationally and locally via a pro billiards website;
We offer free fantasy contests in multiple formats that rewards fans for doing a little research getting to know the players, the best and the up and comers.
Live matches streamed daily with recommended lines and/or contests.
Archived video lessons from as many of our players as possible.
Online store with a line of clothing and equipment.
Gain a title sponsor from outside the billiard industry? With all that in place I think it would be worthy of a non billiard based company sponsorship?

Phase 4
Not really sure, lol but if we make it that far we’ll be in a better place with more options.
Take whatever money we can and start paying our top 16-128 players some kind of profit sharing, benefits or salary.
Have constant qualifiers at each club for players wishing to be one of our 512 players.

Questions and thoughts appreciated.
 
I don't think pro pool will ever reach large scale prominence and popularity. It will fade in and out and will always be around as a "niche" hobby, like RC model airplanes, ham radio or chess.

Real market power is found in consumers with money, not Joe Blow who changes tires down at the truck stop, and these are exactly the people who aren't going to frequent pool rooms. Thank about it: Bill is a CPA with a master's degree, living in a 4-bedroom brick in the suburbs. He comes home from work, picks the kids up from soccer practice and ballet class, and eats supper. Is Bill going to get up, walk out to the garage, get in the car and drive back into the city to Slick Willie's and "shoot pool" with Joe Blow and Urban Cowboy wannabes, or practice his double bank shots? You get the picture. It's just not going to happen.

The whole ambiance of a pool room just isn't something that appeals to many people. The last mass-media image most people have of pool is Tonya Harding leaning across a table with a cigarette drooping from her mouth.

To really become popular, something needs to be a spectator sport. That is, it needs to have some strong visual aspect that makes people want to WATCH it on their 52" HD TVs. That's why people love to watch ball sports, NASCAR crashes, Walking Dead and MMA matches. For the average person out there, watching pool is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Somebody pokes a ball with a wooden stick. The ball rolls into a hole. Wheeeeeeeee! Wow. I'd better sit down; I don't know if I can handle the excitement.

Now, we know there are subtle details at work behind that ball-poke: using English, a balanced stroke, aiming, etc. But these are invisible to the TV viewer. All HE sees is somebody poking a ball with a stick. Summarily, pool doesn't have the stuff to be, or become, a popular spectator sport (except for other pool players, of course). This is another major weakness, if I can call it that, of pool where popularity is concerned: the major components of playing the game are invisible; there's nothing to see or watch, at least until they figure out how to install video cameras inside the shooter's eyeball.

As others have pointed out, people now have an infinite number of other activities to distract them. Back in the old days when pool was more popular, this wasn't the case. We didn't have video games or video arcades. A pool room MIGHT have a couple of pinball machines. Later, maybe a Pong or Pacman box. Heck, we didn't have MALLS back then! I remember piling into a car with my buddies and driving across town to listen to somebody's new 45RPM record. Now kids have iPods with 5,000 songs on them, and they whine because that's not enough. Ask those kids which they'd rather do: poke a ball with a stick, or play Black Ops on the big TV. Anybody want to make bets on their answer?
 
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I don't think pro pool will ever reach large scale prominence and popularity. It will fade in and out and will always be around as a "niche" hobby, like RC model airplanes, ham radio or chess.

Real market power is found in consumers with money, not Joe Blow who changes tires down at the truck stop, and these are exactly the people who aren't going to frequent pool rooms. Thank about it: Bill is a CPA with a master's degree, living in a 4-bedroom brick in the suburbs. He comes home from work, picks the kids up from soccer practice and ballet class, and eats supper. Is Bill going to get up, walk out to the garage, get in the car and drive back into the city to Slick Willie's and "shoot pool" with Joe Blow and Urban Cowboy wannabes, or practice his double bank shots? You get the picture. It's just not going to happen.

The whole ambiance of a pool room just isn't something that appeals to many people. The last mass-media image most people have of pool is Tonya Harding leaning across a table with a cigarette drooping from her mouth.

To really become popular, something needs to be a spectator sport. That is, it needs to have some strong visual aspect that makes people want to WATCH it on their 52" HD TVs. That's why people love to watch ball sports, NASCAR crashes, Walking Dead and MMA matches. For the average person out there, watching pool is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Somebody pokes a ball with a wooden stick. The ball rolls into a hole. Wheeeeeeeee! Wow. I'd better sit down; I don't know if I can handle the excitement.

Now, we know there are subtle details at work behind that ball-poke: using English, a balanced stroke, aiming, etc. But these are invisible to the TV viewer. All HE sees is somebody poking a ball with a stick. Summarily, pool doesn't have the stuff to be, or become, a popular spectator sport (except for other pool players, of course). This is another major weakness, if I can call it that, of pool where popularity is concerned: the major components of playing the game are invisible; there's nothing to see or watch, at least until they figure out how to install video cameras inside the shooter's eyeball.

As others have pointed out, people now have an infinite number of other activities to distract them. Back in the old days when pool was more popular, this wasn't the case. We didn't have video games or video arcades. A pool room MIGHT have a couple of pinball machines. Later, maybe a Pong or Pacman box. Heck, we didn't have MALLS back then! I remember piling into a car with my buddies and driving across town to listen to somebody's new 45RPM record. Now kids have iPods with 5,000 songs on them, and they whine because that's not enough. Ask those kids which they'd rather do: poke a ball with a stick, or play Black Ops on the big TV. Anybody want to make bets on their answer?

Which basically means that Pool has lost out to the inevitable start of the 21st Century.
New blood, new outlook will bring new conclusions because of all the points you've just mentioned :thumbup:
 
and so it is with the Game of pool - just a stone, or a precious jewel.

Somebody pokes a ball with a wooden stick. The ball rolls into a hole. Wheeeeeeeee! Wow. I'd better sit down; I don't know if I can handle the excitement.
That's right, as long as the player with the "wooden stick" has no identity then pool's just a game.

Give that player identity and an emotional attachment to those people watching and the experience becomes much more than a generic human with a wooden stick.

Many of us growing up were introduced to the game through Minnesota Fats, Willie Mosconi, Allen Hopkins, Mike Sigel, and Steve Mizerak. Then we had the opportunity to watch 'The Hustler' with Jackie Gleason and Paul Newman.....the 'The Color of Money' with Tom Cruise, Keith McCready and Paul Newman once again.

We found adventure, and entertainment in these characters......Pocket Billiards was no longer "just a game with a wooden stick," it was Transformed into an "Art Form with Colorful Cues, and Passionate Characters".....and for many of us it became a way of life, and the Game became our escape, our adventure, and our teacher....introducing us to many people, taking us many places and allowing us to do many things.

All because of "just a game with a wooden stick".......just like baseball with "just a bat and a ball," or any other sport with just a ball and a field, a diamond, a court, or a course.

"It's not the steak that's memorable, it's the presentation and the sizzle" ....and so it is with the Game of pool - just a stone, or a precious jewel. ;) 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'
 
"It's not the steak that's memorable, it's the presentation and the sizzle" ....and so it is with the Game of pool - just a stone, or a precious jewel. ;) 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'

Not wanting to get hung up on your 'Steak' analergy CJ. But don't you think it's the taste of the steak that is memorable?
At the moment the taste of Pro Pool is like a bad egg (and has left a rotten taste in some peoples mouths) . so what do you do? Get another carton of eggs and keep an eye on the sell by date :thumbup:
 
Hopefully pool will surge again.....young people today are into poker a video games.....need new players to get interested..... Maybe pool is not comming back?????
 
the sizzle is always better than the steak.

Not wanting to get hung up on your 'Steak' analergy CJ. But don't you think it's the taste of the steak that is memorable?
At the moment the taste of Pro Pool is like a bad egg (and has left a rotten taste in some peoples mouths) . so what do you do? Get another carton of eggs and keep an eye on the sell by date :thumbup:

When it comes to entertainment the sizzle is always better than the steak. Analogies aren't to be taken literally, or they wouldn't be an analogy. ;)

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The relationship between them began to thaw. This means that the relationship was changing.
You are as annoying as nails on a chalkboard. You must be pretty annoying for someone to say that.
I am going to be toast when I get home. This is usually said when someone is in trouble with their significant other.
He is like a rock. This means he is steadfast and strong.
She attended the celebrity roast. The person being roasted is being honored by people making harmless jokes about him or her.
I feel like a fish out of water. This implies that you are not comfortable in your surroundings.
She was offended when I said she was as flaky as a snowstorm. That isn’t a very nice comparison to make.
There are plenty of fish in the sea. Unless you really are a fish, this encourages you to move on and find another potential mate.
She was as quiet as a mouse. It is hard to hear a mouse, so that means she was very quiet.
Bing Crosby had a velvet voice. Since voices are not made of velvet, this implies that his voice was smooth and soothing.
Life is like a box of chocolates. This has many meanings and is a great analogy for life.
 
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Dead like doorknob?

The game doesn't need to change, it's great as it is, and as it was in it's heyday. It's the game we all here fell in love with.

Pool is golf's homely sister, stuck up in the attic on a Saturday night.

Golf was in a similar shape once, however briefly. But then came Tiger.
Unfortunately we don't have any Tigers, but we did have an Earl - a very different sort of animal all together.
 
The game doesn't need to change, it's great as it is, and as it was in it's heyday. It's the game we all here fell in love with.

Pool is golf's homely sister, stuck up in the attic on a Saturday night.

Golf was in a similar shape once, however briefly. But then came Tiger.
Unfortunately we don't have any Tigers, but we did have an Earl - a very different sort of animal all together.

Tiger isn't the one who delivered golf to the fast lane. It was Arnold Palmer, whose networking and charisma led to significant corporate sponsorship. The emergence of an Arnold Palmer type who can sell pro pool to the corporations of America is far more important right now than the emergence of a Tiger Woods.
 
You're right sjm. Golf was already booming when Tiger arrived. And yes, the boom started with Arnold. Johnnyt
 
You're right sjm. Golf was already booming when Tiger arrived. And yes, the boom started with Arnold. Johnnyt

The pre-boom that set the stage for the whoever boom started when a bunch of club professionals got together and said " LET'S DO THIS"
and then they did :wink:
 
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