Stupid 14.1 Question

Andrewk1988

Andrewk1988

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How do you guys keep score? My buddy and I have ventured from bar box 8 and 9 ball tournaments to 14.1 on big tables for practice. Keeping score is a ***** for us. Are we just dumb/lazy or is this a common issue?

Not a troll thread, just looking for answers from someone with experience. Nobody plays the game here so we are kinda finding our way.
 
If the table has double counters for each player, like most Gold Crowns, that is what I prefer. You keep the rack score for each player on one readout and the total on the other. At the end of each rack you add the final score for each player that rack to the total for each player., and reset the rack wheels back to 00.

It makes it very easy to keep score. Say I run three balls in the new rack and miss. When you miss there are 4 balls left on the table in that rack. Add my three balls on my score for the rack and the 4 left on the table and subtract from 15 = 8, the number of balls you ran. No need to count balls as they are run.

My GC4 actually didn't come with scoring wheels in the foot rail so I made one by purchasing the wheels on line and dropping them into the top lid of a cigar box.

You can always use the scoring beads, if there are any. Also, if you search the 14.1 forum you will find numerous threads with links to score sheets that members have developed or found online or scoring apps for cell phones.
 
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Andrewk1988 said:
How do you guys keep score? My buddy and I have ventured from bar box 8 and 9 ball tournaments to 14.1 on big tables for practice. Keeping score is a ***** for us. Are we just dumb/lazy or is this a common issue?

Not a troll thread, just looking for answers from someone with experience. Nobody plays the game here so we are kinda finding our way.
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Go to my profile page. There are two video links showing how to keep score. One with the "wheel system" and the other the "bead system".
 
If you have an ipad you can try my scoring app. Takes all the thinking out of scorekeeping...just tap as you run balls. It's free now during "beta test" and I'm looking for more testers! Instructions here: http://fourteen-one.com/app/

-Chris
 
cstrombe said:
If you have an ipad you can try my scoring app. Takes all the thinking out of scorekeeping...just tap as you run balls. It's free now during "beta test" and I'm looking for more testers! Instructions here: http://fourteen-one.com/app/

-Chris
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Android!!!!

Just kidding, that's cool man. If I had an apple product, I'd use it. I was thinking about that when I was playing last night.

I'll have to go to the ol' Raytown Rec next time I play where they have the GCs with the scoring wheels. We have the beads over the tables we play on, but they are in sets of 12 and just to me doesn't make much sense for scoring.
 
In a pool hall I keep score on the table counter or a chalk board if there is one. At home I use a chalk board.
 
Andrewk1988 said:
Android!!!!

Just kidding, that's cool man. If I had an apple product, I'd use it. I was thinking about that when I was playing last night.

I'll have to go to the ol' Raytown Rec next time I play where they have the GCs with the scoring wheels. We have the beads over the tables we play on, but they are in sets of 12 and just to me doesn't make much sense for scoring.
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If you have a phone with any type of note pad, you can keep score on your phone and utilize the same system dogsplayingpool suggested.

so, overall score 110-95
rack score - 5 - 9

which of course then you update the overall to 115-104.
 
14-1StraightMan said:
Go to my profile page. There are two video links showing how to keep score. One with the "wheel system" and the other the "bead system".
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^^ This... your video is perfect for beginners.

There's also a few apps on the appstore if you want to use your phone.
 
cstrombe said:
If you have an ipad you can try my scoring app. Takes all the thinking out of scorekeeping...just tap as you run balls. It's free now during "beta test" and I'm looking for more testers! Instructions here: http://fourteen-one.com/app/

-Chris
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Chris's app is great for an iPad, specifically if you like to track some statistics. Very simple and powerful.

If you just want to keep score and do not have counters, beads, or apps; just use a piece of paper. One persons name on the left, one on the right with a line down the middle.

Score with tick marks for each rack. Easy to count the balls on the table, subtract opponents tick marks to get my number. After each rack, total and write the number with a circle around it. Draw a line underneath and start the next rack.
 
I use the "Straight Pool Sheet", which I downloaded for free from the Google Play Store. There are other good scorekeeping apps available for android devices.

Congrats on beginning to play the Queen of the pool games, and good luck on your journey!
 
dr9ball said:
Too bad that app from Chris doesn't work for iPhones. I use Billiard Buddy.
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Yeah, I agree :), maybe I can add support for the iphone someday, although I think the screen real estate would be challenging... I figured the ipad (and mini) were a good size for something like this so settled on that up front.
 
Apps for Android

A guy in our league last night asked what aps could be used for Android.

anyone know?
 
14-1StraightMan said:
Go to my profile page. There are two video links showing how to keep score. One with the "wheel system" and the other the "bead system".
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Thanks man, I'm glad I clicked on your profile page. I dunno why, but 14.1 really has our attention at the moment.


Thanks for all the responses guys. I appreciate it. And I appreciate you guys being cool and welcoming to this part of the forum.
 
The table counter works okay except when you play to a score over 100. The only thing you have to remember is to deduct fouls from the total wheel and not the rack wheel. I remember when good players used the beads they would not total until their run ended and they divided the run into racks after the rack they missed before they slid it over. You could look at the bead stack and know how many balls he was running.
 
gibson said:
The table counter works okay except when you play to a score over 100. The only thing you have to remember is to deduct fouls from the total wheel and not the rack wheel. I remember when good players used the beads they would not total until their run ended and they divided the run into racks after the rack they missed before they slid it over. You could look at the bead stack and know how many balls he was running.
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You can do that with table counters as well. In Europe a common 14.1 scoring system is to use 3 counters: Player A score, Player B score and Balls Remaining on Table.
You start with 0 on player A, 0 on player B and 15 on Balls Remaining meaning that there are 15 balls on the table. When player A runs 6 balls, you add 6 balls to player A score, and put 9 on BR counter (there are 9 balls remaining on the table). You add scores to players counters only when inning ends. When racking you add 14 to BR counter (you add 14 balls on the table).
This way you always know how many balls you've run despite how long your run is. If you want to check how many balls you've run any time it's BR score minus the balls left on the table (BR says 68 and there are 12 balls on the table - your run is 68-12=56 at the moment).
This system is very good when you don't have to count the balls the player has made. When you start with Balls Remaining figure, you don't have to count balls one by one.
I had a lengthy discussion on the pros and cons of using beads, and counters with different systems a few years ago here. Not going into there again :)
 
mjantti said:
You can do that with table counters as well. In Europe a common 14.1 scoring system is to use 3 counters: Player A score, Player B score and Balls Remaining on Table.
You start with 0 on player A, 0 on player B and 15 on Balls Remaining meaning that there are 15 balls on the table. When player A runs 6 balls, you add 6 balls to player A score, and put 9 on BR counter (there are 9 balls remaining on the table). You add scores to players counters only when inning ends. When racking you add 14 to BR counter (you add 14 balls on the table).
This way you always know how many balls you've run despite how long your run is. If you want to check how many balls you've run any time it's BR score minus the balls left on the table (BR says 68 and there are 12 balls on the table - your run is 68-12=56 at the moment).
This system is very good when you don't have to count the balls the player has made. When you start with Balls Remaining figure, you don't have to count balls one by one.
I had a lengthy discussion on the pros and cons of using beads, and counters with different systems a few years ago here. Not going into there again :)
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Mikko:

This seems like a logical system. Can you explain more about the "BR" counter? Does it ever decrement? (Doesn't make sense that it's called "Balls Remaining" when you seem to continually add to it, and not subtract from it.)

My only beef with the counters -- especially on old Gold Crowns -- is that the counter wheels are either sticky, frozen, loose as a goose (spins freely), and are easily inadvertently moved when placing the bridge hand. (It's one more thing to worry about / distraction when bridging on the foot rail -- and we need less distractions in this game, not more.)

-Sean
 
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