Article by Badi Nazhat

[Island Drive]

Always....Lookin' for an ANGLE

The industry is fractured because its filled with so many scumbags, liars, scam artists and amateurs. The list of people who have screwed me over one way or another is long. I dont forget that. I dont work with people who have screwed me in the past. Call that a fracture if you want I call it common sense.

Want the industry to not be fractured? Start holding people accountable and kicking out the dead weight. If everyone just refused to work with the bad actors they would eventually die off. But that doesnt happen because many in pool are so desperate they will work with anyone to make a buck. Leaving us with the glorious situation we now have,

I have never seen or heard of an industry with less integrity than pool. I am embarrassed to tell people outside of pool about things that are considered normal in the industry. It is no wonder at all that no one wants anything to do with it. Pool needs to get its own house in order before their is any hope of bringing any outside interest in.

Your so right....It's impossible to take the spots off a leopard in most cases. Your above descriptions are a regurgitation of Badi Nazhat's rant, but with Lather. I recently worked with someone that led me down a path, and then once that person got what they wanted, or not, they said ''give me eight thousand'' and I'll show it to this other person. Mind you, this is a person who is NOT a pool player but is caught up in its undertow. Once this person, thru our E mail mentioned a pros name, my hair went up. I then sent a follow up email to see what was lurking. Their follow up was so Patronizing and Phony I knew it was one of the Leopards litter. The hustle, scam, con, ANGLE are created by the way pool is perceived and played out in society. Until its ROOTS come from another demographic, that player base will NOT go away, and I would not want it to, because that's the other rooT of reality. Once the game takes off, those scums will be pushed further back to the trenches where they came and ''pick the pockets of pocket pickers''.

 

[jburkm002]

Maybe someone like CJ could explain the money side of pool. Without knowing how money is made by all involved. You can't even begin to understand how to fix an issue. Other than the entry fee paid by the players. Where does the rest of the money come from. Can't believe it's from spectators. Most places don't have much room for the fans. How is money made in pool.

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[Island Drive]

Tip of the Iceberg

Maybe someone like CJ could explain the money side of pool. Without knowing how money is made by all involved. You can't even begin to understand how to fix an issue. Other than the entry fee paid by the players. Where does the rest of the money come from. Can't believe it's from spectators. Most places don't have much room for the fans. How is money made in pool.

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A typical scenario is the local hot shot convincing their local room owner thru time to hold an event with a large added money purse. What's normal in the past is the hot shot knows, he does not have to travel, he knows the conditions, and many times the TD and how that person goes about managing the event is inadvertently controlled by the hotshot. The average good player and the pubic have no clue this is taking place. Hot shots are aware of where their true competiton lies and will also schedule it in a manner that minimizes their agenda and match losses if possible. There are so many other variables, the list is too loooooooooooooong. Table selection is also a huge concern of the hot shot, and savors I'm sure are part of the landscape, and on and on.

 

[Ghosst]

The point is, would you "blame" me if I said "no thank you, I'm doing something else with my time and money?"

Of course not, no one would and I made this exact point earlier. But this doesn't happen, not by the US contingent. It's just whining and crying and not at all professional.

The pro pool leadership has burnt every backer with blatant arrogance and disregard. When leading promotors are openly abandoning professional pool irrepuable damage has occurred.

This is the truth but they'll never admit to it. That would be self-assessment and realizing they can and have made mistakes. That's just not done in pool.

I may well be small potatoes in the world of pool but let me make this point for the lurking pros and promoters: I've been offered three sponsorships this year, and accepted none. Not because I have any issue doing my part in supporting the companies but because I don't want those enterprises associated with it.

I don't even play that well so why would companies want to put their logo on me? Food for thought.

 

[Ghosst]

Once in California I called a Hearst newspaper. They told me that pool was a game played by fat drunks and it was not a sport so could not be covered by them.

It's not fat, it's power.

 

[Island Drive]

It's not fat, it's power.

I call it the BULL FROG player. Just sittin' eatin' watchin' and waiting for the next BUG to enter his arena. Of it could also be the ''pool detective'' ya never know.

 

[Bella Don't Cry]

Other than the entry fee paid by the players. Where does the rest of the money come from. Can't believe it's from spectators. Most places don't have much room for the fans. How is money made in pool.

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In terms of "Professional" there it is above in black & white.
Only a minority of players can boast that they make a living from sponsorships, endorsements and public appearances.
So the so called top professionals are competing and scrapping at tournaments for each others money. And the tournaments are provided by... And around in circles we go.

On another note:
Did you know?
A lion doesn't hunt for food. He just sits (usually in the shade) and awaits the arrival of his lioness' (his *****es) who have gone out to hunt food to feed their young.
Guess what happens next?

Did you know? When a younger lion beats off the existing male of the pride, the first thing he does is kill and EAT off the prides young, thus creating the need for HIM to seed out HIS new pride!

Works for lions - not too sure it can work for pool players or the pool industry.

 

[CJ Wiley]

"where does all the money come from to build these houses and support these lives?"

Maybe someone like CJ could explain the money side of pool. Without knowing how money is made by all involved. You can't even begin to understand how to fix an issue. Other than the entry fee paid by the players. Where does the rest of the money come from. Can't believe it's from spectators. Most places don't have much room for the fans. How is money made in pool.

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That's like driving through a new housing development on the north side of town and wondering "where does all the money come from to build these houses and support these lifestyles?' This is like wondering where the wind comes from and where does it blow.

The key is to give more value back than the money you receive in life. You ALL are certainly right, this is not happening in Pro Pool in this day and age. This is why I suggested doing a standard charity event every tournament to at least get headed in the right direction. There's no use gaining momentum if we're not headed correctly.

There are many philosophies how money is created, there's a great book I read called 'The Spirituality of Money' that sums explains it very well if you're interested.

 

[Bigtruck]

The industry is fractured because its filled with so many scumbags, liars, scam artists and amateurs. The list of people who have screwed me over one way or another is long. I dont forget that. I dont work with people who have screwed me in the past. Call that a fracture if you want I call it common sense.

Want the industry to not be fractured? Start holding people accountable and kicking out the dead weight. If everyone just refused to work with the bad actors they would eventually die off. But that doesnt happen because many in pool are so desperate they will work with anyone to make a buck. Leaving us with the glorious situation we now have,

I have never seen or heard of an industry with less integrity than pool. I am embarrassed to tell people outside of pool about things that are considered normal in the industry. It is no wonder at all that no one wants anything to do with it. Pool needs to get its own house in order before their is any hope of bringing any outside interest in.

Tap Tap Tap.

 

[Island Drive]

Across the Bow

Tap Tap Tap.

Good shot JCIN....Also, BT's supporting acknowledgement I tap.tap.tap, my cue butt with acceptance on too the....floor, for those with Spots, its not a shark, unless your wigged out :thumbup:

Only because I enjoy what we have, have I waded thru this quagmire of life in the states, since the sixties.

 

[CJ Wiley]

"Pleasantly Plump Pool Players"

It's not fat, it's power.

"Pleasantly Plump Pool Players"

That's funny because most of the greatest players are pretty "thin to win".

 

[jburkm002]

That's like driving through a new housing development on the north side of town and wondering "where does all the money come from to build these houses and support these lifestyles?' This is like wondering where the wind comes from and where does it blow.

The key is to give more value back than the money you receive in life. You ALL are certainly right, this is not happening in Pro Pool in this day and age. This is why I suggested doing a standard charity event every tournament to at least get headed in the right direction. There's no use gaining momentum if we're not headed correctly.

There are many philosophies how money is created, there's a great book I read called 'The Spirituality of Money' that sums explains it very well if you're interested.

Doesn't sound like a good sales pitch for future investors. Charity sounds great but as everyone keeps saying. Players don't make any money. . Why do they leave right after a tournament? Time is money. Another night in a hotel costs them money. They have flights scheduled or long drives to get back home. I was just asking how an investor, promoter, the house and players all make money. They were popular on TV at one point. Who made money when they were on TV? Without TV how does everyone make money? Lots of money can be spent but most want a return on their money.

 

[Island Drive]

Doesn't sound like a good sales pitch for future investors. Charity sounds great but as everyone keeps saying. Players don't make any money. . Why do they leave right after a tournament? Time is money. Another night in a hotel costs them money. They have flights scheduled or long drives to get back home. I was just asking how an investor, promoter, the house and players all make money. They were popular on TV at one point. Who made money when they were on TV? Without TV how does everyone make money? Lots of money can be spent but most want a return on their money.

MANY are inherently Lazy....nature of the beast.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I think we all know the world is challenging right now and jobs are scarce at times

Doesn't sound like a good sales pitch for future investors. Charity sounds great but as everyone keeps saying. Players don't make any money. . Why do they leave right after a tournament? Time is money. Another night in a hotel costs them money. They have flights scheduled or long drives to get back home. I was just asking how an investor, promoter, the house and players all make money. They were popular on TV at one point. Who made money when they were on TV? Without TV how does everyone make money? Lots of money can be spent but most want a return on their money.

The players I know and hang out with are doing ok from doing exhibitions, lessons, coaching, training, selling billiard equipment, cars, computers, books, consulting for bars, pool rooms, etc.....I think we all know the world is challenging right now, even brilliant college students are having trouble finding good jobs.

They end up bartending and serving at restaurants, bars, and night clubs for a living......and thank Goodness this country allows these occupations to exist where you make a living off "tips". I'm in that business and it's a wonderful thing. "where there is a will, there is a way to make money, as long as you provide more value than what you receive things will work out ok"......creating value is the American way and it's done in many ways, shapes and forms in pocket billiards and all other sports/games.

Hunter Lombardo is one of the best teachers in the country and many people know this from "word of mouth," however, you would never know because he doesn't advertise ....he really doesn't have to. He provides a great service at a reasonable price....that's the "secret" to making money in these trying times....and it's more about being willing to visualize outcomes and goals and then letting it happen naturally. 'The Game of Life is the Teacher'




Same with Shane, he does pretty well, but doesn't advertise this to anyone, except an occasional picture on Face Book.

 

[Roger Long]

We've developed an entertainment package that the general public will watch. This is the reason we've been on this forum using it as a "Think Tank" and matching it with our own "Think Tank"......it took putting these two "powers" together to get the right answer, one without the other simple wasn't enough synergy.

'The Synergistic Effect' is the basis for out research and development.....two becomes four, four becomes sixteen and ten becomes one hundred....the "energy" squares when there's enough common denominators seeking the same goals and outcomes.

I really don't know what "players" you are referring to, we have a core group in mind to start out with and when it's successful we'll add to the payroll. We aren't interested in a tour like's been attempted the last 40 years.....we have something totally different in mind, and the whole attention is on how to hit the "emotional button" of the casual viewer. 'The Game is Our Teacher'

This is the kind of thing I've been waiting to hear. I do hope it works out for everyone involved. :thumbup:

Roger

 

[jburkm002]

Let me try it this way. Besides pool players. How does everyone else make money investing in the future of pool? With and without TV. Isn't that what you have to sell first. Give me a million and I can turn it into 3 million. Hold a tournament at your venue and you will make money. Advertise with us and you will make money. How??? Figure this out first and in the end TV will come. Figure this out and players might have contracts some day. A player can play in 50 tournaments in a year. Be in the top 20 in every event but never make it to the money. You can make the argument that he is one of the top 20 players in the world. What does he have to show for it?

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Based on AZB money board!

Rodney Morris #21 $31,295
Johnny Archer #24 $27,850
Earl Strickland #35 $23,990
Dennis Hatch #81 $9,250

These are four out of the five Mosconi Cup players and represent "the best we have to offer!"

With expenses and cost of living increases this is so far below the POVERTY line that we may be looking at the last samurai's or an extinction level event. This must be what the Dinosaurs experienced!

Sad part is with a wife and kids or girlfriend relying on them to add to the madness!

KD

 

[justadub]

Based on AZB money board!

Rodney Morris #21 $31,295
Johnny Archer #24 $27,850
Earl Strickland #35 $23,990
Dennis Hatch #81 $9,250

These are four out of the five Mosconi Cup players and represent "the best we have to offer!"

With expenses and cost of living increases this is so far below the POVERTY line that we may be looking at the last samurai's or an extinction level event. This must be what the Dinosaurs experienced!

Sad part is with a wife and kids or girlfriend relying on them to add to the madness!

KD

Ah, but I'm sure those totals are from tourney winnings. It wont include all the money they made as employees of Bonus Ball

 

[Johnnyt]

Based on AZB money board!

Rodney Morris #21 $31,295
Johnny Archer #24 $27,850
Earl Strickland #35 $23,990
Dennis Hatch #81 $9,250

These are four out of the five Mosconi Cup players and represent "the best we have to offer!"

With expenses and cost of living increases this is so far below the POVERTY line that we may be looking at the last samurai's or an extinction level event. This must be what the Dinosaurs experienced!

Sad part is with a wife and kids or girlfriend relying on them to add to the madness!

KD

Not 100k gross made between all 4 of them...pitiful. Johnnyt

 

[one stroke]

Based on AZB money board!

Rodney Morris #21 $31,295
Johnny Archer #24 $27,850
Earl Strickland #35 $23,990
Dennis Hatch #81 $9,250

These are four out of the five Mosconi Cup players and represent "the best we have to offer!"

With expenses and cost of living increases this is so far below the POVERTY line that we may be looking at the last samurai's or an extinction level event. This must be what the Dinosaurs experienced!

Sad part is with a wife and kids or girlfriend relying on them to add to the madness!

KD

Any woman that's with a pool players obviously is not a gold digger nor to worried about security in some cases their the bigger bread winner
Pool is not a union job it's a get paid for performance job don't win don't make much

Top bowlers are the same way although they have a few more at the top than pool does but its the same thing u win or finish high and you can make a living ,you don't and you won't
Bowling , foosball ping ping ,, horse shoe , darts and so on professionals all think should make more money to play their games
There are many many players who don't play pool other than a serious hobby that can play pro speed ,, but choose a better career,, nobody is forced to play pool it's a choice

Aside from the few yrs ESPN was scarfing up anything that moved to put it on TV it's just never paid that much and if it does get there there will be very few Americans at the top
Be careful what u wish for

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