I am having trouble opening the rack with the break shot using a Measle Ball playing 14.1. On similar break shots using the Red Circle opening the rack has not been a problem. I think the Measle Ball is denser but grittier on the surface which doesn't allow for the ball to drive through the rack. The Red Circle seems to glance off the object ball more creating separation in the rack. I know the Measle Ball is more difficult to draw but I am not sure what the physics of this situation are?
Red Circle vs. Measle Ball
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I personally find measle ball to be helpful when playing pool on a 9 ft table, be it 14.1 or 9 ball.
I always thought that measle ball is "easier" to draw, but I could be wrong.
It just seems like that measle ball is "lighter" than the "red circle" one. Now, I could be completely wrong here too.
I would personally like to know weight, center of mass and center of gravity for these two cue balls. Theoretically they should be identical but I don't know for sure.
I always thought that measle ball is "easier" to draw, but I could be wrong.
It just seems like that measle ball is "lighter" than the "red circle" one. Now, I could be completely wrong here too.
I would personally like to know weight, center of mass and center of gravity for these two cue balls. Theoretically they should be identical but I don't know for sure.
Red Circle cue ball vs Measles cue ball
I prefer to play the red circle cue ball, because it is more "lively"!
It gets more draw and rebounds off balls quicker. I think there
is more phenolic resin composition in the red circle ball, than the
measles ball, thereby making it more lively. I.M.O.
I prefer to play the red circle cue ball, because it is more "lively"!
It gets more draw and rebounds off balls quicker. I think there
is more phenolic resin composition in the red circle ball, than the
measles ball, thereby making it more lively. I.M.O.
A buddy of mine had a blue circle ball. I played better with that one than any other at the time.
A few years back the owner of the Flamingo purchased a new set of balls from the Gold Crown, the set included the Measle Ball, I could not make a ball playing with it, he came in later that day and I asked if he still had the old Red Circle, he asked why, I told him, I could not make a ball with the Measle Ball, my cut shots were off, it did not feel right on One Pocket breaks, it seemed to be made up of different materials and a hair larger that the Red Circle, he said, I thought it was just me, he had the same problems, so he threw it in the trash, put the Red circle back on the table and that was that.
I try to use the measle ball just for practice! Tip positioning mainly! Make sure I can hit center and varying left and right spins! All just to make sure I can hit the ball where I want! But as far as playability,,,, no doubt the red circle ball is awesome!!! Maybe its just me, but I seem to pocket better with the red circle! Especially extremely slow shots that require extreme spin! Could be in my head too
I HATE ANY cueball that is not the same weight, size, and composition as the rest of the balls in the rack.
I CAN play with other sizes, weights, and compositions, but if I have a choice in that case it would be a cue ball that is a bit heavier than the other balls, but NOT larger.
Why does there always have to be a "gimmick" to the game? What happend to the days when players played with "regular" balls? There are TOO MANY changes to the game today. I LIKE "OLD SCHOOL"!
I CAN play with other sizes, weights, and compositions, but if I have a choice in that case it would be a cue ball that is a bit heavier than the other balls, but NOT larger.
Why does there always have to be a "gimmick" to the game? What happend to the days when players played with "regular" balls? There are TOO MANY changes to the game today. I LIKE "OLD SCHOOL"!
It's simple.....the measles ball weighs 169 grams......a red circle cue ball typically weighs 157 grams but it depends on the brand/manufacturer......but the weight difference is significant.
The red circle ball and measle ball weigh the same (within hundreths of an ounce). It's been discussed before. No two balls will ever weigh the exact same weight, but Aramith QC is pretty spot on.
The difference is your perception.
A lot of guessing
There's a lot of guessing going on here. Here's another guess. It's probably a good bet that new cue balls are slightly larger and slightly heavier than older cue balls just because of wear over time.
Why doesn't someone measure and weigh the balls in question?
There's a lot of guessing going on here. Here's another guess. It's probably a good bet that new cue balls are slightly larger and slightly heavier than older cue balls just because of wear over time.
Why doesn't someone measure and weigh the balls in question?
in dallas texas they dont weigh the same....lol. however the cueball that came with my aramith super pro set, the one with the red aramith logo weighed EXACTLY the same as the measles....the red circle was lighter than both in this test
There is so much wrong information in this thread that I am certain it will be referred to as the bible of cue balls for years to come!
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I'll try and remember to measure mine when I get home, but I don't think I have a scale that will weigh them accurately. I wouldn't doubt if it is my perception, but I know one thing for sure, if I think I play better with the red circle than I do play better with the red circle!
Dave,
I think you have them switched around. The blue circle Aramith and the measles are the ones that are approximately the same. The red circle Aramith is a replacement ball that weighs less. The red circle is easier to draw and follows less.
At least that's my experience.
Chris
there is a lot of good info on dr. dave's website
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/balls.html
bert
I agree the red circle seems to be heavier. You don't get the draw that you can with the measle ball. However I put them both on a scale and they are exactly the same weight. I think it has to do with the composition of the ball or the distribution of the weight that causes this. There are also a ton of fake Chinese red circles out there and there seems to be the same problem with the measle ball as well. You might want to try to make sure you are playing with the real thing if you are getting different results than I am.
Until someone can give evidence that the balls in fact weigh differently and are made differently, then there is nothing to go by. There is however, multiple videos and testing done to prove the balls are similar in weight, albeit they are off by miniscule amounts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbHACd8yymY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8sjRqLFwAw
Both balls weigh 5.9oz, if someone so happened to have a ball that weighs 1/10th ounce over/under, I think that is within tolerance. To say a ball 1/10th of an ounce over/under is easier to maneuver is horse crap. There are millions of other factors that come into play.
Edit- And before someone says, "That's just your opinion"... Well it is, and people saying the red circle is lighter is their opinion.
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