Buying a second lathe

I have been using a mid-size from chris, and I love it, but I have some extra cash now and want to buy a second lathe and use my mid-size for finishing. I am thinking about a deluxe, but for almost the same price, I could get something like this
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Gunsmith-s-Bench-Top-Lathe-with-Stand/G4003G .

Does anyone use a metal lathe like the grizzly in the link? Pros/Cons? Thanks

the deluxe weighs 100 lbs........... the grizzly weighs 1300.............

hmmmmmmmm

Kim
 
the deluxe weighs 100 lbs........... the grizzly weighs 1300.............

hmmmmmmmm

Kim

I don't plan on bench pressing it. lol I know the size is a huge difference, but that's not an issue. I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth buying the metal lathe with the larger, well, everything, or if it's just overkill for making cues.
 
If you already have taper bars on your Mid Size then the metal lathe might give you some extra advantages over a Deluxe. If you don't have taper bars then the Deluxe would give you a lot of advantages over the Metal lathe.

The main advantages of the metal lathe are heavier duty drilling and easier threading abilities. It also can make metal parts from scratch.

Some of the advantages of the Deluxe is it is easier to hold things in line, especially shorter parts. It comes with the rear chuck and precision steady rests. It has tapering capabilities, indexing for cutting in points, router, and portability.
 
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In so many words, the metal lathe will do a lot of the functions a Deluxe will. But the modifications needed to make the metal lathe do what the deluxe already does is added cost. My opinion.
 
If you already have taper bars on your Mid Size then the metal lathe might give you some extra advantages over a Deluxe. If you don't have taper bars then the Deluxe would give you a lot of advantages over the Metal lathe.

The main advantages of the metal lathe are heavier duty drilling and easier threading abilities. It also can make metal parts from scratch.

Some of the advantages of the Deluxe is it is easier to hold things in line, especially shorter parts. It comes with the rear chuck and precision steady rests. It has tapering capabilities, indexing for cutting in points, router, and portability.

In so many words, the metal lathe will do a lot of the functions a Deluxe will. But the modifications needed to make the metal lathe do what the deluxe already does is added cost. My opinion.

that's what I was looking for. Thanks
 
That 36" BTC will be tight but will work if you could step up to a 40" BTC would make a big difference.
Now the Deluxe will be turn key right out of the box. But if you don't mind the setup time to the metal lathe to get it tweaked in add a taper bar.
Get both you can never have enough equipment in the shop.
 
Justin,

Dave is right when he said tight. It is doable but you are up against the wall if you ever install a six jaw down the road.

The 36" between centers is when the chuck is off and you are using a tapered dead center. 40 inch is better IMO.

If you hang your tail stock off the bed just a little, things get funny. Been there done that!

Rick
 
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That 36" BTC will be tight but will work if you could step up to a 40" BTC would make a big difference.
Now the Deluxe will be turn key right out of the box. But if you don't mind the setup time to the metal lathe to get it tweaked in add a taper bar.
Get both you can never have enough equipment in the shop.
Agreed.
With 40" between centers , you can install joint pin and tap the shaft using the steady rest and bearing/collet . Or customized steady rest with a 4-jaw.
That is if you don't have a rear chuck.
the deluxe weighs 100 lbs........... the grizzly weighs 1300.............

hmmmmmmmm

Kim
The metal lathe is cheaper by the pound ?
 
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i saw that lathe

when i was at the grizzly showroom picking up my band saw. and really liked what i saw, and would love to have one. but i do not own a fork lift.

if you already have one hightower lathe, you might want to keep in mind that most of your accessories are interchangable.


i have one for tapering/sanding and one for ring/pin work. the 2nd is on a much taller bench. quick change tool post makes it easy to go from one machine to the other
 
when i was at the grizzly showroom picking up my band saw. and really liked what i saw, and would love to have one. but i do not own a fork lift....

You don't need a forklift for a 1300 pound lathe. I bought a $200 engine hoist from Sam's club. You can rent one fairly cheaply. I have loaded and unloaded my lathe several times when relocating. The lift folds up and is in a corner. You can move it around in the shop using the lift with one hand. You can move the lathe in small increments to get it placed just right with an 18" maple square. In 15 minutes, I bet I could move the lathe across the shop using this method.

A real machine lathe does take up more room and is not as mobile as a cue lathe, but one doesn't need a fork lift, just a little planning.
 
Where there's a will there's a way.
I used my buddy's engine hoist to move my bench-top points mill (about 7-800lbs)
then got a trick idea for moving a Logan lathe that needed to be moved also.
Jacked-up one end and put 500lb cap. casters under it, jacked the other end and did the same.
Moved it across the shop by myself. BTW, I have 7 lathes in my shop and none of them are aluminum.

KJ
 
Where there's a will there's a way.
I used my buddy's engine hoist to move my bench-top points mill (about 7-800lbs)
then got a trick idea for moving a Logan lathe that needed to be moved also.
Jacked-up one end and put 500lb cap. casters under it, jacked the other end and did the same.
Moved it across the shop by myself. BTW, I have 7 lathes in my shop and none of them are aluminum.

KJ

My delivery man has a crane on his truck. Wished I had one. :D
He delivers these monster lathes often.
This is how he moves them after he drops them with his crane.
He puts skates on the base by the tailstock end .
He has a crowbar with welded wheel bearings.
Lifts the headstock base with that and just tows the lathes in place.

Engine hoists can be scary. I had one take off on me on a sloped driveway one time ( it had a 11 by 36 Logan on it ) and almost hit the neighbor's car. :eek:
 
I ve had this same question, except i was only buying my first lathe-did i want the cuemakers lathe or the metal lathe. If i had the extra money ( as you said) I would have both. I currently use and edison metal lathe with a 42 inch bed, and have a taper bar as well. I use it for all aspects of making cues.
 
Where there's a will there's a way.
I used my buddy's engine hoist to move my bench-top points mill (about 7-800lbs)
then got a trick idea for moving a Logan lathe that needed to be moved also.
Jacked-up one end and put 500lb cap. casters under it, jacked the other end and did the same.
Moved it across the shop by myself. BTW, I have 7 lathes in my shop and none of them are aluminum.

KJ

Yep, engine hoists are great. I've moved my mill, my shaper, and a 30" shear with the thing. My lathe (10x24 ~500lbs) I can move by myself without the hoist :thumbup:. The guy I bought it from pointed out that the bench height is about the same as a half-ton truck bed and you can slide the thing (on the tray) between the two quite easily.

I have three lathes in my garage, and one I made, from aluminum :cool: I can put it under my arm and carry it (Gingery lathe) .... and can do the same with the 109.

Dave
 
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In my opinion you can probably answer your own question better than anyone else here could. You know what your machining skill level is, you know how much money and time you have. You only need to answer a few question of yourself to know the best route to go.

1. Do you have space restrictions that will inhibit having a metal lathe?
2. Do you have a way to get a metal lathe into your shop where you'd put it?
3. Do you have any experience with a metal lathe?
4. Do you live in an industry area of the US where used machinery is readily available?
5. Do you have a mill, or even a mill drill that you can use to set up a metal lathe for cues?

To me, theres no question of what to buy. Metal lathe, hands down. Depending on what you intend to do with the machine you can rather easily add a taper bar set up. That's where a mill comes into play, to make the parts you'll need to fab it. You can add a rear chuck to almost any metal lathe with minimal effort. You can also add indexing to a metal lathe without a lot of effort too. All of these things are going to require that you possess some machining skills, or at least have a friend or relative close that does and will offer you a hand.

If space is a concern, then the choice is also obvious. However, a taig based lathe doesn't save that much space over a metal lathe if you're thinking about the footprint of the table it sits on. BUT, if you have to be able move whatever you get then again, no question a Hightower is much more easily moved. When you set up a metal lathe, you'll have to level it so its resting spot will need to be semi-permanent so you don't have to keeo leveling and setting it up.

If you in an industrialized area near a larger city chances are you can find a good deal on a used metal lathe. I am close'ish to Milwaukee Chicago so I could find a used metal lathe to buy literally everyday of the week. If you live in Alabama it may take 5 months to find one locally, no disrespect to Alabama. They just dont have a lot of industry. Personally, i wouldn't buy one of the new "hobby" type metal lathes, like the grizzly you asked about, but thats just me. Dont buy a Chinese lathe unless you want a headache when you need parts, and you WILL need parts. Taiwanese machines are better every way you cut it. Grizzly has sold some quality Taiwanese lathes throughout the years so has Jet, and there's a good chance they may have been built in the same factory.

If you decide that your best bet is to go with a metal lathe here are some great examples of lathes to look for used. Jet bdb1340a....Jet ghb1340... Jet, grizzly, msc/vectrax, enco all had lathes made by a company in Taiwan called Jesco machine, they also built lathes under their own brand "Jessy".. The Jesco line of machines is far and away the best bang for the buck for smaller foreign made metal lathes in my opinion. The Jet they built was a 1240 PD. All of the companies had different model numbers but they were all eother 12 or 13x40 machines. Nice machines that they still support them so you can get parts for them no problem.

Sheldon 11-13x40 They made a few different models over the years they were built. Clausing 5900 series, 5913, 5914 etc
Clausing is far and away the most popular cue lathe of all time. If you look in the mass production shops ie; Meucci, Viking, McDermott, Peachauer you'll probably find more Clausing 5900's than anything else. I've been in the Viking facility and its silly how many.Clausings they have. Clausing (the company) calls Viking if they need to source a part that's obsolete because of the shear number of machines they have.

Other things to consider... Parts for Jet, Grizzly etc will become obsolete much faster than the old American iron except for the Jesco built machines. Parts for the Taiwanese machines are also much less expensive, if you're able to find them. All of the consumer/hobby based lathe lines by Jet, Grizzly, Enco etc are not not built by the company themselves. They outsource all production to various machine tool builders in Asis depending on the line and price point.

Do your due diligence... Don't hesitate to ask questions, the only dumb question is the question that doesn't get asked! Unless you've already asked the same question before! Haha

That's my $1.47 answer to your question!

Jon
 
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If you can fit it in your shop, get the metal lathe and then upgrade your midsize later. The deluxe is capable of machining metal, but not near as fast or easy as a metal lathe. Also, you can get a set tru chuck on your metal lathe and indicate it in to zero a dozen times a night and never have to bore the jaws. As far as i know, there isnt a chuck with 4 independant jaws and a big bore available for any of the taig based lathes. I have 4 lathes and a homemade tapering lathe in my shop and my big metal lathe gets the most use.

Joe
 
Clausing 5900 series, 5913, 5914 etc
Clausing is far and away the most popular cue lathe of all time. If you look in the mass production shops ie; Meucci, Viking, McDermott, Peachauer you'll probably find more Clausing 5900's than anything else. I've been in the Viking facility and its silly how many.Clausings they have. Clausing (the company) calls Viking if they need to source a part that's obsolete because of the shear number of machines they have.

Jon

Gordon Hart (Viking) tried to sell me a brand new Clausing lathe many many years ago. He told me he was a Clausing dealer because he had bought and sold so many of them.
 
Haha, yeah, I couldn't believe the number of Clausings they have there. They have a whole room with nothing but Clausing parts. I'm sure you can imagine, all of their machines are set up to do one operation and one operation only. So they take the tailstocks off some, compounds etc for what ever process a particular machine does. I was thoroughly impressed by how organized they were with their work flow. Its too bad Gordon is gone now. I wish I could go back to 1967 or 68 and buy a truckload of 5914's, truly a fantastic machine for many things
 
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