I like the cut in the side. The bank could leave the 4 hidden somewhere or tough.
Cut, bank, or "other"?
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The cut in the side is SUPER HARD. See my video on post #33, the first 6 or 7 attempts are the cut in the side. I miss it thick the first few tries, but then I hit it real good most of the times after that. It is WAY thinner than you guys are thinking. The OB just makes it to the pocket, and the CB goes way up table if it doesn't hit anything on the way, leaving too long a shot on the combo.
I was super careful trying to replicate the exact position of the balls. I have a chalk line grid on my table on every diamond (doesn't really show up in the video). That cut is THIN!
I was super careful trying to replicate the exact position of the balls. I have a chalk line grid on my table on every diamond (doesn't really show up in the video). That cut is THIN!
What an incredibly cool thing we have available to us, the ability to get together and discuss shots, post diagrams and even videos.
Kinda mindblowing!
Kinda mindblowing!
Karl Boyes cut it do you want to try him?
Cut to the side, no need to complicate things..
I guess I need to put this on a table, but it looks like I'd shoot this in the corner and go back and forth above (or maybe below) the 8-ball. I just can't tell by a Wei table.An old Mosconi Cup situation.
What shot do you like here?
I see four options.
• Cut in corner
• Cut in side
• Bank combo
• Safe
I personally like banking soft into the 6, soft enough that the 4 hangs near the hole.
The bank will pick up natural roll since I didn't slam it, and IMO both balls are very likely to go.
Soft speed should also decrease the odds of being hooked by the 5.
Draw and a full hit with right spin to hold the cue ball so it slides up a bit, but (ideally) isn't near the rail.
This is a (tightened?) brunswick btw.
What do you think most pros would do here?
Freddie
Listen.... let's not let reality fly in the face of fantasy WEI Table forum meanderings, please?
Don't you know that playing a safety and getting ball in hand is the defacto choice (that was missing, by the way).
Freddie <~~~ can't give you any more rep
Just eyeballing it, the cut into the side looks to be about a 67 degree cut whereas the cut in the corner is a bit less, roughly a 59 so they are both thin cuts. Shooting it into the side, the carom angles look like you will be going below the 9 but you may clip it coming off the third rail. Hit hard enough, there is a possible scratch going off the 9 thin and into the corner or thicker and into the side. The cut downtable carries less risk, you just have to avoid going back and forth and ending up behind the 8/9 or frozen to the top rail, which even that would not be the end of the world since you are cutting the 5/6 combo.
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An old Mosconi Cup situation.
What shot do you like here?
I see four options.
• Cut in corner
• Cut in side
• Bank combo
• Safe
I personally like banking soft into the 6, soft enough that the 4 hangs near the hole.
The bank will pick up natural roll since I didn't slam it, and IMO both balls are very likely to go.
Soft speed should also decrease the odds of being hooked by the 5.
Draw and a full hit with right spin to hold the cue ball so it slides up a bit, but (ideally) isn't near the rail.
This is a (tightened?) brunswick btw.
What do you think most pros would do here?
I like the safety behind the 8, but leaving a jump here looks too easy. With the 5 close to the pocket, I like the 4 in the corner. (May even get away with center ball.)
Side pocket looks like more of a cut, tougher shot. You would have to hit it harder, possibly more spin too.
I read all the replies... I'm having trouble visualizing a safety in this layout. Do you guys mean bank the 4 near the 8 and 9 and play the CB to the foot rail? That probably won't hide anything.
I just don't see any good safety choice.
I just don't see any good safety choice.
The other advantage of cutting the 4 in the corner and sending the CB between the 8 and 9 is the hair of inside English necessary to do that deadens the speed off the rail. So there is less travel by the CB and it stays better contained.
There is none.
My gut reaction to the idea of a safe here is to bank the 4 between the 9 and 8 and try to get it as close to the rail as possible...Would need a ton of low-left though I think, maybe try and bend/spin whitey down behind the 5 or 9...Hard to say without actually seeing it in front of me on the table...The other safe that I might try is send the 4 ball 2/3 rails and bury it up behind the 9, sending CB down table...Either way has to have some great speed control, or it's a sell-out...
Based on the wei diagram, the cut into the side looks the best to me. The angle appears less severe than the cut into the corner, the two-rail path of the cueball is pretty easy to predict, and the side pocket shot carries less risk of selling out something easy on a miss. I would play the cueball to land as softly as possible a few inches below the 9-ball, knowing that if I undercut the shot there's a chance my opponent could be hooked behind the 8 or 9, and an overcut is likely going to result in a long crooked shot into the top right corner.
I don't consider the bank to be a viable option with the 5 sitting there and the cueball going up-table where the 5 will block most of that pocket. If the 4 doesn't follow the 6 in, there's an excellent chance of getting hooked - unless you play the bank at speed, of course, which is just as risky. Actually, if I were going to play the bank I probably would play it at speed and swing the cueball around 3 rails toward the lower center portion of the table (near the heart). I'd be very unlucky to not at least have a defensive shot from there.
If the 4 ball was a few inches lower, I would consider the cut into the corner, but as it sits it is a low % cut for me with the cueball going... who knows where on an overcut or undercut. Factor in the near-certain dead sellout on a miss, and I'm gonna pass on that shot unless I'm on really soft equip.
Aaron
I don't consider the bank to be a viable option with the 5 sitting there and the cueball going up-table where the 5 will block most of that pocket. If the 4 doesn't follow the 6 in, there's an excellent chance of getting hooked - unless you play the bank at speed, of course, which is just as risky. Actually, if I were going to play the bank I probably would play it at speed and swing the cueball around 3 rails toward the lower center portion of the table (near the heart). I'd be very unlucky to not at least have a defensive shot from there.
If the 4 ball was a few inches lower, I would consider the cut into the corner, but as it sits it is a low % cut for me with the cueball going... who knows where on an overcut or undercut. Factor in the near-certain dead sellout on a miss, and I'm gonna pass on that shot unless I'm on really soft equip.
Aaron