15 Ball Ghost Rating Drill

How about staying with max 5 ball in hands each rack but using the formula of
(# of balls on table + # of ball in hands used)?

So a player uses all 5 BIH and has 6 balls left on the table. Score for that rack is 11.

Edited formula.

I like the unlimited BIH, I will need every single one I think. Might try it tonite if I have 5 or 6 hours to burn.
 
I like the unlimited BIH, I will need every single one I think. Might try it tonite if I have 5 or 6 hours to burn.

I like the unlimited also. I'm watching my wife and it's very motivating to try and beat your best each time.
 
So unlimited BIH with a 100 point scale might work.

0-20 Pro
21-40. A
41-60. B
61-80. C
81-100. D
100+. Banger
 
What video? Did I count the BIHs wrong?

Not yours champ, the one I shot this morning ;)
I, especially for an instructor have the worst camera to video set up. Hd camera that can only be rendered in Sony hd software, takes forever. I think I got a 15 but won't be sure till it finishes rendering. What kind of set up do you have, you go from shooting to uploading real quick.
 
Anyone that plays on a BB and a 9' a lot want to take a stab at what the skill level #'s change for a BB? I don't play any 9' anymore to have an opinion. Thanks
 
Oops - after a review of the video I was a 15 as well Joe :)

Check out the brain cramp in rack 6 - wow!

Gerry

Not yours champ, the one I shot this morning ;)
I, especially for an instructor have the worst camera to video set up. Hd camera that can only be rendered in Sony hd software, takes forever. I think I got a 15 but won't be sure till it finishes rendering. What kind of set up do you have, you go from shooting to uploading real quick.
 
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It takes a while because my camera records in 20 minutes clips - so I have to join them using iMovie. You will notice a 3 second blip at 20 minute intervals.

Not yours champ, the one I shot this morning ;)
I, especially for an instructor have the worst camera to video set up. Hd camera that can only be rendered in Sony hd software, takes forever. I think I got a 15 but won't be sure till it finishes rendering. What kind of set up do you have, you go from shooting to uploading real quick.
 
Anyone that plays on a BB and a 9' a lot want to take a stab at what the skill level #'s change for a BB? I don't play any 9' anymore to have an opinion. Thanks

Johnny, check out the straight pool forum I started a thread about a week ago comparing a diamond 7' table to a GC 9' with same size pockets. The 7' is roughly twice as easy. I had a ton of data to back that up.
 
Johnny, check out the straight pool forum I started a thread about a week ago comparing a diamond 7' table to a GC 9' with same size pockets. The 7' is roughly twice as easy. I had a ton of data to back that up.

Thank you, but 14.1 on a BB is pretty easy. I've run over 100 3 time in last 2 years myself. 15 ball rotation is another animal all together. But maybe with the BIH's it's not. Johnnyt
 
Thank you, but 14.1 on a BB is pretty easy. I've run over 100 3 time in last 2 years myself. 15 ball rotation is another animal all together. But maybe with the BIH's it's not. Johnnyt

I agree. I mentioned it because in the 14.1 forum there was much debate on which table is easier. The 7' with shorter shots, or the 9' with less congestion. In my experiment the 7' won hand over fist compared to the 9'.

Now on this thread it's a different game for sure, but it's also a full rack and there is the same question of shorter shots versus less congestion.
 
I guess my point is how can we agree on what a B would score if no B did it? Same with D, etc.

But I do think the numbers now are closer.

What is the BIH rule? If I have a hard shot, can I elect to just pick up the CB at that moment instead of attempting the shot?
 
I guess my point is how can we agree on what a B would score if no B did it? Same with D, etc.

But I do think the numbers now are closer.

What is the BIH rule? If I have a hard shot, can I elect to just pick up the CB at that moment instead of attempting the shot?

I get what you're saying. I suppose I'll just change it to the new ranking I posted, and we'll go from there. And someone did get a B ranking (according to the new scores), and that person was you with 50 points :)

Sometimes, I think you sell yourself a little too short, bud. I've watched plenty of your videos. In my opinion, I'd say you were a strong C/weak B player.

As for the BIH question, yes you can take BIH at any time.
 
I guess my point is how can we agree on what a B would score if no B did it? Same with D, etc.

But I do think the numbers now are closer.

What is the BIH rule? If I have a hard shot, can I elect to just pick up the CB at that moment instead of attempting the shot?

It doesn't say, but I would think not.
 
First off I apologize if something like this already exists. I just thought of it tonight, and haven't actually tried it out yet. I do think it would be a fun practice game, and the ratings seem like they would be accurate, but I'm willing to make adjustments if needed.

Rules:
1. Rack all 15 balls. Any order, but the 1 must be at the top, and the 15 in the middle.
2. Break
3. Player can take as many ball in hands each rack until all balls have been made.
4. Player does NOT have to take ball in hand immediately after the break.
5. Player can use a ball in hand at any point during the rack.
6. Play a total of 10 racks.
7. Player's score is determined by the total # of ball in hands taken after all 10 racks are completed.
8. Slop counts.
9. Player must continue shooting even if the 15 ball drops early.

Summary of what is a foul/BIH penalty:
- CB scratch (1 foul)
- OB off table (1 foul, and ball gets spotted)
- Missed shot (1 foul)
- Missed shot and then scratch (1 foul)
- Lowest ball not hit first (2 fouls)
- Lowest ball not hit first and then scratch (2 fouls)
- Make a ball and scratch (1 foul). If a legal hit is made, but the ball that dropped wasn't the lowest ball, it gets spotted. If the lowest ball was made, it stays down.


0-20 Pro
21-40. A
41-60. B
61-80. C
81-100. D
100+. Banger

Posted Scores:
Gerry Williams - 17 (Pro) (Video)
Joe Tucker - 19 (Pro)
Joe Tucker - 20 (Pro) (Video)
Joe Tucker - 28 (A)
Gerry Williams - 29 (A) (Video)
iusedtoberich - 50 (B) (Video 1) (Video 2)


Okay, here is an update.

Tried to make it a little more organized, and easier to understand.
 
It doesn't say, but I would think not.

You can. I made it clear now in the rules in my OP.

Let's say a player does 10 racks, and never makes a ball on the break leaving 15 on the table each time. They can take BIH on every single shot, but then their score would be 150, putting them at the lowest end of the "Banger" ranking.

Since the goal is to take as few BIH as possible, I think it's fine to take one whenever you want.
 
Why would it be 2 fouls for not hitting lowest ball - that seems silly. My 15 won't be a 15 then. I suggest keep it simple, every time you miss or scratch it is a BIH. No other rules needed.

Same with spotting balls - no need to make it more complicated IMO.
 
Why would it be 2 fouls for not hitting lowest ball - that seems silly. My 15 won't be a 15 then. I suggest keep it simple, every time you miss or scratch it is a BIH. No other rules needed.

Same with spotting balls - no need to make it more complicated IMO.

How about a rule that a player can't intentionally play the balls out of sequence, with the penalty being 2 fouls?

This is discourage a player from intentionally breaking a cluster out of order.
 
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