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I've never seen one in person, nor played on one, but I've noticed they are occasionally used for money matches...based on this are they ever likely to become the 'norm'?

Will pro tournaments begin using them?

Will amateur tournaments ever use them?

Are they ever really likely to catch on?

I'm just curious as over here in the UK I've never heard of anyone playing on one, as far as I'm aware its only the US that has them (so far).
 
It remains to be seen if the big table will catch on or not. The biggest obstacle is the price. At 10k, you need quite the bank roll to purchase one.
 
1. There have already been several pro tournaments contested on 10 ft tables

2. Unlikely

3. Remains to be seen. Diamond certainly seems to want to promote them so that's a big thing they have going for them, but there are a lot of things working against them as well. They make the game harder for amateur players. They take up more space etc.

For the record the room I play in has one (a converted Brunswick snooker table) and I really enjoy practicing on it, and believe it or not it gets quite a bit of play. However, it does the make game more challenging.

I also want to add from a spectator's perspective I really enjoy the pro tournaments contested on 10 ft tables. I think it adds an element of suspense that is sometimes missing from the pro game.
 
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I played a couple of games of one pocket on a 10' Gold Crown and it's not for me. The table is just too big and you'd have to have quite a room in your home to hold one of these tables. I didn't enjoy playing on it at all.
 
The better I get the more I like the ten footer...

The one at my local hall is a converted brunswick snooker table. On it's way to getting new rubber and cloth soon. Can't wait :grin-square: :grin-square:


I know StraightPoolIU can't either. He plays on it sometimes too.

Great table to practice on. It'll show you every single little flaw you don't want to see.
 
ddadams said:
On it's way to getting new rubber and cloth soon. Can't wait :grin-square: :grin-square:
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I did not know that. That's definitely an exciting development. Just another note. A lot of guys in our room like to play banks on it. I don't play banks, but it does make it an interesting game because it opens up some lanes that may not exist on a 9 footer.
 
StraightPoolIU said:
I did not know that. That's definitely an exciting development. Just another note. A lot of guys in our room like to play banks on it. I don't play banks, but it does make it an interesting game because it opens up some lanes that may not exist on a 9 footer.
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He's re-doing *all* of the tables.


Can you believe it...??? I can't.
 
Some interesting points, I wonder if they are more common over in the US as here every pool club has 12 foot snooker tables anyway!
 
vjmehra said:
I've never seen one in person, nor played on one, but I've noticed they are occasionally used for money matches...based on this are they ever likely to become the 'norm'?

Will pro tournaments begin using them?

Will amateur tournaments ever use them?

Are they ever really likely to catch on?

I'm just curious as over here in the UK I've never heard of anyone playing on one, as far as I'm aware its only the US that has them (so far).
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There is nothing new about a 10' pool table ... I remember playing straight pool on them back in the sixties and seventies. Always Brunswick's as I remember, at that time there presence was much the same as they still are today.

These tables were used, sparingly in money matches and by some tournament promoters, to about the same degree as they are today.

They present a major financial problem commercially, Hall owners will not, and never will, pay more for a table that reduces the income of their business. It's simple math, you can fit more nine footers in the same space than you can ten footers, and pay less for them.

With that being said, quality halls will have a few available to their players as they make for excellent practice tables. Nothing better for working on your stroke!

So ... 1) Yes, but they will not be the norm ... As in the past I think they will remain a novelty item to spice up and promote occasional tournaments. I promise you the diminutive players form the Philippines are all hoping I'm correct.

2) I do not think you will ever see a ten footer in an amateur event.

3) They have already caught on for their occasional purpose, I do not expect to ever see that application grow.
 
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5 x 10 should be the new professional standard compatition table.
The pro`s today are simply too good. 9ft tables makes it look effortless, 10ft takes a different playing style, more suited for the pro`s.
 
A couple year's ago Alex Pagulyan played in a 10-foot event.

An on-the-ball cameraman caught a video clip of his feet while he was racking the balls...up on his tippy-toes. :D

If memory serves me right he won that match, but not the tournament.

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As others have mentioned, the economics of 10-foot tables don't make sense as a new standard.
 
vjmehra said:
I've never seen one in person, nor played on one, but I've noticed they are occasionally used for money matches...based on this are they ever likely to become the 'norm'?

Will pro tournaments begin using them?

Will amateur tournaments ever use them?

Are they ever really likely to catch on?

I'm just curious as over here in the UK I've never heard of anyone playing on one, as far as I'm aware its only the US that has them (so far).
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1. Before the 1950s, they were the norm. McGoorty talked about them in his book, and most of Mosconi's Championships were played on 10' tables. 10' tables with 4" pockets. Will they become the norm now? Doubt it. Too expensive, too much space.

2.Jay Helfert has his Bigfoot Challenge, we'll have to see if they catch on in other tournaments, but for now, I doubt it, for the reasons given above.

3. Not likely ever.
 
bdorman said:
A couple year's ago Alex Pagulyan played in a 10-foot event.

An on-the-ball cameraman caught a video clip of his feet while he was racking the balls...up on his tippy-toes. :D

If memory serves me right he won that match, but not the tournament.

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As others have mentioned, the economics of 10-foot tables don't make sense as a new standard.
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It will be an awakening. Finding out how many shots you can't reach on one...and I am nearly a foot taller than the pags!

Was a real slap in the face, to me.
 
Bob Dixon said:
I think they need to stick to nine foot tables and make the pockets smaller. Yeah, I know they're 4.25" on the ten footers. Make it 4" on nine footers. Pros shouldn't be playing with 4.5" pockets.
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Don't do it in steps. If we go half way now then we will be messing around 20 years from now to go that extra step.

Go straight to 10-foot tables with 4 inch pockets for professional pool.

Start playing 8-ball as the professional game.

That is the best chance pool has of going somewhere other then down.

Amateur tournaments can be played on 9-foot tables. League can be played on bar boxes. Pro events should play on tight 10-foots.

The last thing pool needs atm is to go half way, we need to get properly tough tables that will challenge pros now and 50 years from now, make them the standard now so that we can finally have some stability in the equipment.
 
Black-Balled said:
It will be an awakening. Finding out how many shots you can't reach on one...and I am nearly a foot taller than the pags!

Was a real slap in the face, to me.
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You think a 10-footer looks BIG, go to UK and play on one of their 12-footer snooker tables with the LITTLE balls. The bridge that is usually near the table is SO LONG it makes Earl's cue look like one of those little fishing poles you give baby's for Christmas and birthday presents.

You need a bridge to use the bridge almost.

I CANT understand how Ronnie O'Sullivan ISN'T the WORLD CHAMPION of EVERY cue sport. Running as many 147s as he has in snooker is playing the "game" of pool at the HIGHEST level it has EVER been played...BY ANYBODY in ANY GAME.
 
Bob Dixon said:
What distance does he make the great majority of his shots from? Three to four feet.

But I'm not dissing O'Sullivan's pocketing ability. He can often make shots from 11 feet. He's just got that ability. Other snooker players- not so much.
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That is 100% correct. Snooker, at its highest levels is similar to 14-1 in the fact that it tends to be sort of a "half-court" game because they DON'T want the balls spread all over the table. They had rather try to control the table than let the table control them.

If you get the balls ALL spread out over a 12-foot snooker table, then you got some REAL ESTATE to travel to get from one end to the other. You may even need a bus pass on some shots. You want to keep the DISTANCE traveling down to the minimum if you can.

I have ran in the 90s a few times on a snooker table, but I could never get higher than that. There are several reasons for that. One is I don't shoot as good as the pro snooker players and two is I ALWAYS spread the red balls out TOO FAR and could NEVER get back into position on the 7-ball (black ball) to keep it going. I always had to settle for a lesser number ball.

For those who don't play snooker, there are 15 red balls and 6 number balls...numbered 2 thru 7. You must make a red ball (1 point) before you can shoot at a number ball. You HAVE to shoot at a number ball after a red ball. If you make the number ball (anyone you choose...2 thru 7), then that ball is respotted and you start over again shooting at another red ball. The scores of the number balls are added to your red ball scores as you make them.

You continue this process until all the red balls are gone. Then you shoot at the numbered balls in numerical order (2 thru 7) until they are all gone.

In order to make a perfect game, you must make ALL of the 15 red balls and make the 7 ball after EACH red ball and then run the 2 thru 7. Adding all those scores together equals 147.

To do this in one inning as a run is SO HARD to do that for most people it is like running a couple hundred balls in straight pool...maybe HARDER.

When you watch the pros consistently pocketing and running balls on the BIGGER tables, you are witnessing some "FIRE POWER" in action.

Hope that happens during Jay's tournament.
 
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