Pool Is One Of The Hardest Games

[JB Cases]

Do you know why Jimmie The Greek was fired ,,,
Like I said I can find something to support almost any argument again Global Warming or Hoax. ,,,
Common sense has to be used at some point and in this case common sense will tell you in most cases hard work and training does not always produce world class
Like I said Secretariat was just simply a more gifted horse training had nothing to so with it .,,
Yes because pool does not require a lot off physical ability the field is closer together but some still have better traits than others regardless of what the geeks want you to believe


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Maybe Secratariat just wanted to run more than other horses did. I suppose you can read the minds of horses so that you just know what they are thinking?

Again, the research doesn't support you. It's that simple. Put in pro class time and effort and most who try will reach the pros. Those who get discouraged and give up won't.

It's Jimmy the Greek and he was let go because he said black people are superior athletes because of their race on national television. He said it in a racist way not a scientific one.

 

[Jaden]

I just think it's farcical to call anything or deny anything as a pro event...

In today's state of pool there can be no definitive pro tournament or not pro tournament unless it is handicapped...

I think most open tournaments could be described as pro events. You'll have pro caliber, if not world class players, in most of them.

One that springs to mind is the Swannee memorial. Me and a student of mine made a bet. I bet him my 1974 Rich with 36 MOP inlays and eight points with four veneers in each point. First person to get fifth or better in a major event gets the cue. We include the swannee memorial in that grouping.

192 players in two days with 60 or so top players and another 50-60 players capable of beating anyone in a short race should be considered pro IMO, at least in today's arena of having no official pro tour.

I have spoken to some people that believe that this can change, and I believe it too. If things work out the way they should, we may see a change either in 2014 or 2015 that will allow some decent money to be introduced and the favoritism that has run rampant in some of the open events to be a little more under control.

Enough on that, I'm not going to get into it right now. All I care about is taking care of my family, continuing to work on my game and to try and get my tips out there and to try and give myself a fair chance at competing more often.

Playing one big tourney a year isn't cutting it for me any more.

It really sucks in my mind that we have lost some of the big tourneys before I've gotten a chance to play in them but kay sarah sarah (pun intended in spelling) especially considering that tenball is my favorite game.


Oh well, I hope that the stuff in the works, works out and pool can see some good added money tourneys that require qualification that isn't open to subjective favoritism.

Jaden

 

[one stroke]

Maybe Secratariat just wanted to run more than other horses did. I suppose you can read the minds of horses so that you just know what they are thinking?

Again, the research doesn't support you. It's that simple. Put in pro class time and effort and most who try will reach the pros. Those who get discouraged and give up won't.

It's Jimmy the Greek and he was let go because he said black people are superior athletes because of their race on national television. He said it in a racist way not a scientific one.

Well when in Rome,,,,,

A little scientific research

There is a whole body of evidence showing that there are distinct differences in body types among blacks and whites," said researcher Edward Jones, who researches adolescent obesity, nutrition and body composition at Howard University. "These are real patterns being described here. Whether the fastest sprinters are Jamaican, African or Canadian, most of them can be traced back generally to Western Africa."

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[SJDinPHX]

World events are also open events.

Unless the event is invitation only, or you have to qualify to play, it's not a pro event. Regardless of the fact that a pro usually wins.

Almost correct Mr. Lvr...It is exactly the fact that "pro's usually win" that make it a Pro Event !...Specific terms, such as 'qualifying' or 'invitational' are usually only used, when a promoter wants to limit the field. "Buy-backs" are just another way of signifying 'Double Elimination' ! (and, if I may say..an ingenious way to generate funds, over and above the original entry fee)

When it is a WIDE OPEN world class field of player's, (ie; Efren, SVB, Busty, Strickland, etc.) you are just talking semantics !...And you are right, a 'Pro' will 'usually' win...99.999% of them !..So how can it NOT be called a "PRO EVENT" ?..To put it simply, if the $$$$ are there...'Pro' and 'Open' mean exactly the same thing in our little pool world !

 

[KRJ]

Again, the research doesn't support you. It's that simple. Put in pro class time and effort and most who try will reach the pros. Those who get discouraged and give up won't.

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John, this is just not true for ALL sports, maybe pool, bowling, curling, and other less than athletic type endeavors.

I assure you, most of the kids playing baseball have 10K hours and many, many have much more than that before they even graduate HS, then throw in college, for those select few that are good enough, and you have another 5K hours.... and still, MOST, like 99.9% of college players will NOT make it to the majors, and only a small percentage will even get drafted where they will toil for several more years before they dream comes to an end, where maybe 2% of minor league players reach the big leagues.....

If you ever wanna see what the "elite" kids go through before they even reach HS, let me know, I will show you the practice and game schedules for a typical winter workouts, pre-season games, full season games, and then Fall Ball starts at the end of August and runs till Mid October.... a couple of weeks off, and then back to winter practice sessions.

And all of this is BEFORE they even make the HS team

 

[nobcitypool]

Almost correct Mr. Lvr...It is exactly the fact that "pro's usually win" that make it a Pro Event !...Specific terms, such as 'qualifying' or 'invitational' are usually only used, when a promoter wants to limit the field. "Buy-backs" are just another way of signifying 'Double Elimination' ! (and, if I may say..an ingenious way to generate funds, over and above the original entry fee)

When it is a WIDE OPEN world class field of player's, (ie; Efren, SVB, Busty, Strickland, etc.) you are just talking semantics !...And you are right, a 'Pro' will 'usually' win...99.999% of them !..So how can it NOT be called a "PRO EVENT" ?..To put it simply, if the $$$$ are there...'Pro' and 'Open' mean exactly the same thing in our little pool world !

Here the link to the list of champions. I think that says it all. http://www.dcctickets.com/DCCChampions/tabid/101/Default.aspx

 

[JB Cases]

Well when in Rome,,,,,

A little scientific research

There is a whole body of evidence showing that there are distinct differences in body types among blacks and whites," said researcher Edward Jones, who researches adolescent obesity, nutrition and body composition at Howard University. "These are real patterns being described here. Whether the fastest sprinters are Jamaican, African or Canadian, most of them can be traced back generally to Western Africa."

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And can you go deeper? I bet you can. I gave you a HUGE clue earlier in the thread and you should be able to follow it to go deeper than this quote you lifted from the net.

Show some effort and go find it.

 

[JB Cases]

And while you were googling you didn't find this article?

http://www.livescience.com/32678-whats-the-toughest-sport.html

60 sports were measured.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

Billiards is ranked on the list of sports so ESPN considers it a sport. And out of 60 it came in at 59, just above fishing.

Baseball came in at #9 RJ

Boxing is #1.

 

[JB Cases]

John, this is just not true for ALL sports, maybe pool, bowling, curling, and other less than athletic type endeavors.

I assure you, most of the kids playing baseball have 10K hours and many, many have much more than that before they even graduate HS, then throw in college, for those select few that are good enough, and you have another 5K hours.... and still, MOST, like 99.9% of college players will NOT make it to the majors, and only a small percentage will even get drafted where they will toil for several more years before they dream comes to an end, where maybe 2% of minor league players reach the big leagues.....

If you ever wanna see what the "elite" kids go through before they even reach HS, let me know, I will show you the practice and game schedules for a typical winter workouts, pre-season games, full season games, and then Fall Ball starts at the end of August and runs till Mid October.... a couple of weeks off, and then back to winter practice sessions.

And all of this is BEFORE they even make the HS team

10,000 hours is simply a rule of thumb not a hard rule for every sport. In baseball you have thousands of schools sending people to try to play for a couple dozen teams. Therefore the requirement to be major league class is MUCH higher than in pool for example because there is no barrier to becoming a pro in pool. No one looks at you on a given day in pool and says you are not pro speed and you are and from that day forth your fortunes change. In pool everyone can play so to be world class you simply have to reach that level and win.

In baseball you have to compete for a very limited number of spots against hundreds of thousands of competitors. So perhaps the number of hours to attain major league level mastery is now 18,000 hours on average just to toss out a number.

 

[one stroke]

10,000 hours is simply a rule of thumb not a hard rule for every sport. In baseball you have thousands of schools sending people to try to play for a couple dozen teams. Therefore the requirement to be major league class is MUCH higher than in pool for example because there is no barrier to becoming a pro in pool. No one looks at you on a given day in pool and says you are not pro speed and you are and from that day forth your fortunes change. In pool everyone can play so to be world class you simply have to reach that level and win.

In baseball you have to compete for a very limited number of spots against hundreds of thousands of competitors. So perhaps the number of hours to attain major league level mastery is now 18,000 hours on average just to toss out a number.

I must be in the twilight zone ,,


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[CJ Wiley]

"Super Duper Greatest in the Galaxy Championships"

Here the link to the list of champions. I think that says it all. http://www.dcctickets.com/DCCChampions/tabid/101/Default.aspx

I believe Greg would agree that Pros generally win the DCC, he just made it clear that HE didn't consider it a "Pro Event". I declined to agree, or disagree, it could be classified as a "Super Duper Greatest in the Galaxy Championships" and it would be fine with me. :thumbup:

I only wonder at what age I'd practiced 10,000 hours.....hmmm

 

[backplaying]

Jimmy played at a high level when he was 15, in this picture I'm probably 13 or 14 ...I started traveling and playing for money when I was 15.....that's the year I first started playing in Columbia and St. Louis Mo.

Whatever happened to him anyway?

I carried Jimmy on the road when he was 15, He beat players like Harold Dollar when Harold was in his prime.. The problem was, he only wanted to play top players and might lose to a unknown getting weight. I trapped Brian Ezell into giving Jimmy the 8 and he robbed Jimmy, twice. I introduced him to Earl when we were in N.C. and Earl asked me what his speed was and Jimmy spoke up and said about your speed. He was strictly a ego player and after 3 months I had to pull up. I heard from him a few years back when he called the local poolroom looking for me. He was out west somewhere. If anyone knows a way to contact him, I would appreciate the information. Jimmy, Keith, and Shannon were the best players at 15, that I'm aware of.

 

[dudlock]

I believe Greg would agree that Pros generally win the DCC, he just made it clear that HE didn't consider it a "Pro Event". I declined to agree, or disagree, it could be classified as a "Super Duper Greatest in the Galaxy Championships" and it would be fine with me. :thumbup:

I only wonder at what age I'd practiced 10,000 hours.....hmmm

He designed the format to simply get as many people to sign up as possible. That's why it's worth it to play in the banks to just get a badge if you're going to be around all week. Instead of regular folks feeling awkward to get up and play in the tournament, he wanted them to feel weird and awkward if they DIDN'T go ahead and play the tournament. Greg explained it all in that interview. The buybacks pay for Master OF Table Title. It's won by pro players, but Greg sure wants regular players to join the party. I think you were setting on ready at about the 1,000 hour mark. Or less...

 

[StraightPoolIU]

I can't afford to go for more than a couple days, but if I was there for the whole week I'd play for sure even though I'd probably embarrass myself.

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[CJ Wiley]

I totally appreciate, what Greg has done with the DCC, it's a great event.

He designed the format to simply get as many people to sign up as possible. That's why it's worth it to play in the banks to just get a badge if you're going to be around all week. Instead of regular folks feeling awkward to get up and play in the tournament, he wanted them to feel weird and awkward if they DIDN'T go ahead and play the tournament. Greg explained it all in that interview. The buybacks pay for Master OF Table Title. It's won by pro players, but Greg sure wants regular players to join the party. I think you were setting on ready at about the 1,000 hour mark. Or less...

Yes, I totally appreciate, what Greg has done with the DCC, it's a great event! Saying it isn't a "Pro Event" is not an insult, it's reality. His purpose is to have the biggest field possible and cater to every level of player and fan.....he's accomplished this. I can also see why he doesn't consider it "Pro".

My position on Pro Events has always been LESS PLAYERS and MORE FANS. There's no reason to have more Pro players than can be paid, and if that's 16, it's ok. I would rather see 16 Players paid for sure than a field of 80 players where 16 get paid and 64 lose money......it's just like any other business, you never hire more staff than you can afford in your payroll budget.

The 1000 hour mark was hit by the time I was 8 years old......

I won my first tournament when I was 12 and that was the first year I broke and ran all 15 balls in order playing rotation.......I believe 5000 hours had been logged in on the table by the age of 12......another 5000 by 15 when I first started going on the road to the "big" cities and gambling for $50+ a game.

 

[one stroke]

And while you were googling you didn't find this article?

http://www.livescience.com/32678-whats-the-toughest-sport.html

60 sports were measured.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

Billiards is ranked on the list of sports so ESPN considers it a sport. And out of 60 it came in at 59, just above fishing.

Baseball came in at #9 RJ

Boxing is #1.

It's not my first rodeo I've read plenty on these topics over the yrs
exclude gymnastics its not a pro sport ,, already talked about Tennis
No surprise why at 53 I play the last 2 sports

However like I said Global Warming or Hoax
Plenty of arguments to support either

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[easy-e]

I have no opinion, it's just what Greg told me in Tunica. It's obvious that some of the best players in the world go to Louisville, however, they also go to many other places that aren't considered pro events. It is a huge tournament, but with the "buy backs" it's not the model Greg (or anyone) would choose for a Pro Event.

My initial comment had nothing to do with "pro" vs. "non-pro" events. It was about winning in a field full of world class players.

 

[KRJ]

10,000 hours is simply a rule of thumb not a hard rule for every sport. In baseball you have thousands of schools sending people to try to play for a couple dozen teams. Therefore the requirement to be major league class is MUCH higher than in pool for example because there is no barrier to becoming a pro in pool. No one looks at you on a given day in pool and says you are not pro speed and you are and from that day forth your fortunes change. In pool everyone can play so to be world class you simply have to reach that level and win.

In baseball you have to compete for a very limited number of spots against hundreds of thousands of competitors. So perhaps the number of hours to attain major league level mastery is now 18,000 hours on average just to toss out a number.

what I was saying, is that in some sports, you could do 1 million hours, and it guarantees nothing. If a sport combines physical and skill, then you need to be great at both, and the physical can't be learned, you can get better, but you just can't be the best based on what you got.

Spud Webb was the ONLY pro basketball play under 5'7", coincidence ?? I think not.
One a billion, so all those other guys can dribble a ball till they bleed, they are not going pro if they are 5'6" and weigh 125 pounds.

Pool, bowling, darts, curling, shooting sports, and many other sports don't limit you, only you can limit yourself. I think that is where the real 10K hours kicks in

 

[KRJ]

And while you were googling you didn't find this article?

http://www.livescience.com/32678-whats-the-toughest-sport.html

60 sports were measured.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

Billiards is ranked on the list of sports so ESPN considers it a sport. And out of 60 it came in at 59, just above fishing.

Baseball came in at #9 RJ

Boxing is #1.

NO argument from me. SI did a similar thing, and baseball was number 1, but I guarantee they probably have the same sports in the top 10, just a different order. Kida curious what the top 10 were, in order???

 

[(((Satori)))]

what I was saying, is that in some sports, you could do 1 million hours, and it guarantees nothing. If a sport combines physical and skill, then you need to be great at both, and the physical can't be learned, you can get better, but you just can't be the best based on what you got.

Spud Webb was the ONLY pro basketball play under 5'7", coincidence ?? I think not.
One a billion, so all those other guys can dribble a ball till they bleed, they are not going pro if they are 5'6" and weigh 125 pounds.

Pool, bowling, darts, curling, shooting sports, and many other sports don't limit you, only you can limit yourself. I think that is where the real 10K hours kicks in

Don't forget Muggsy Bogues.