Can someone help me understand the thought process behind these requests?

[rhatten]

LMAO...I think the solution is for magicians to become promoters. Then they can turn a whole bunch of $1 bills into $100 bills...and pay them out to the "pros". Really? Just make the payouts bigger huh? Wow, what an incredible idea. Surprised nobody else thought of that. ....... BTW, what have YOU done lately to enhance/promote pool...pro or amateur?

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Speaking of 'Magicians' and 'enhancing the pool action' ... a Bank Robbery (Wells Fargo) just went off in Denver.... will the Payoff's mysteriously double today??? nah prolly not

R

 

[kvinbrwr]

Kevin...She already mentioned in her first post that Varner was only available that weekend, and since he is 'name' sponsor, it seems likely that they would want him there. Other than that, I agree with you.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott

I read her post and wow good for Nick he's so busy.

You have a bus route that's the only way to get from point A to point B and everyone wants to go there is hopping on your bus. Establish that bus route from the same destinations as another service and you are going to get some questions about your rates, the seating, how long you take etc, competition is just like that. I'm guessing if the only weekend Nick had available was also the US Open, they would have found a work-around, but maybe not

Again, put yourself in a competitive circumstance you should expect some competitive
strategies. Blows my mind that at the same time everyone is talking about how there are no pro events for these guys to compete and showcase pool in, that a new promoter couldn't have found a way to schedule so these pros that they care so much about could have played in both events.

Kevin

 

[itsfroze]

Scott

I read her post and wow good for Nick he's so busy.

You have a bus route that's the only way to get from point A to point B and everyone wants to go there is hopping on your bus. Establish that bus route from the same destinations as another service and you are going to get some questions about your rates, the seating, how long you take etc, competition is just like that. I'm guessing if the only weekend Nick had available was also the US Open, they would have found a work-around, but maybe not

Again, put yourself in a competitive circumstance you should expect some competitive
strategies. Blows my mind that at the same time everyone is talking about how there are no pro events for these guys to compete and showcase pool in, that a new promoter couldn't have found a way to schedule so these pros that they care so much about could have played in both events.

Kevin

Tap Tap Tap

 

[RobertR]

I think it has already been firmly established that Str8 Shots are not con artists, or hustlers, and are only out to provide positive exposure for the game. If anything, there are a number of pro players who act like children when it comes time to "pay it forward" to help promote their own sport. Str8 Shots has already intelligently and articulately posted what their event is, and how the prize funds will be paid out. Play or don't...but don't expect them to bow down to these people, just because they "think" they're entitled to something (anything) just because they play well. Sorry, but in the real world it doesn't work that way...at least in the real pool world. The sooner the pro players, as a group, learn this hard fact, the sooner the sport can inch forward. I don't know about you, book collector, but I WORK for my money...and imo, so should the pro players...and it must be more than just showing up on game day, with their hand out.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Tap tap tap. Great post sir.

Str8shots promoting pool tournaments in Denver ? Yes please! :thumbup:

 

[azhousepro]

So you have a new promoter getting their feet wet in the pro tournament scene, and already the players are trying to "get all they can" from this promoter. I can't think of any way to turn off a promoter more than for the pro players to line up to rob them.

I wonder which is louder. The chorus of pro players saying that they deserve respect and need sponsorship from corporate america, or the voices of the pros knocking each other down to rob a promoter for an extra couple dollars.

Is it surprising that a pro pool player would try to get all he can, going in?

 

[JAM]

You got me here, I'm throwing the "bullshit flag".

You got that right for sure. Obviously, he doesn't have a clue.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

LMAO...I think the solution is for magicians to become promoters. Then they can turn a whole bunch of $1 bills into $100 bills...and pay them out to the "pros". Really? Just make the payouts bigger huh? Wow, what an incredible idea. Surprised nobody else thought of that. I guess only deep-pocketed millionaires should be the only people promoting pool, in your mind? In which case, in no time at all, there will be NONE! Will that make you happy? BTW, what have YOU done lately to enhance/promote pool...pro or amateur?

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

So I guess it's just the billionaires that are funding golf right? Oh wait, I mean billion dollar corporation. The ones that buy ad space, the ones that sponsor the tourneys. Because you know golf doesn't go off naming their tourneys Golf Course Xxxx w/ $5,000,000 added. They call the tourney by the name of the biggest sponsor.

Current promotors aren't able to get said type of sponsorship? Wonder why, must be the poor marketing strategy. A flyer, yea that's all the advertising we need to get people to show. Then as always day of event, plenty of open spots waiting to be taken. Promotors always sitting there scratching their head, "but I put out a flyer!"

If you think that the current ideology floating around that pool can only be self promoted, you're dead wrong. How often are spectacular shots in golf replayed in ads, but never for pool. But you're right, I'm wrong. What was I thinking trying to compare promoting tactics of pool to other sports.

 

[JAM]

You really are out .

Didn't miss a ball for 9 games is evidence that one plays as good as the best in the world?!

Shit, this game just got easier. I play as well as svb too.

Add another notch...to my crotch.

Black-Balled is the teacher. :grin:

 

[Scott Lee]

You still just don't "get it". I never mentioned anybody's age. What has that got to do with anything? If you really believe Shane hasn't improved a lot in the last 7-8 years, then I just don't know what to say. You certainly don't have your finger on the pulse of Shane's game, to be sure. I never said "things are just fine" the way they are...or that I believe pros should make their living gambling. Stop putting words in my mouth.

In case you missed it, I'm not the one "making threads about why players ask for handouts". I'm simply trying to answer the ridiculous responses that you're making (apparently 'off-the-cuff' because you really don't know what's going on in the industry). The pros that get my respect are the ones that SHOW respect for themselves and their sport. Actions speak much louder than words. I agree that pro players shouldn't have to gamble to make a living...but many of them do nothing to change the stereotype that they continue to promote in public. If somebody considers themselves skilled enough to be considered a 'pro player', AND they cannot make enough money playing pro pool (they can, but they're either too lazy or dumb to figure out how)...THEN GET A DAMN JOB, and stop asking for handouts.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

SVB just turned 30 right? He has been playing that this same level for the last. 7-8 years or so. So starting at the age of 20, he probably saw how good he was becoming. So when I say that I know people who could compete with SVB, I'm being totally honest. It's you who is implying their age. I never said they were the same age as SVB. The people I'm talking about are in their 40's and 50's. They'll play pool whenever they get the free time to. Last time I saw one of the people I'm talking about gamble, he was giving up the break, and he still didn't miss a single shot in 9 games. He didn't miss. When was the last time you were gambling and didn't miss for 9 games in a row?

If you still insist that the way things are going right now is fine. Then maybe you should show a little more respect to those that play better than you. Allow them the grace of being considered a pro, show them that their time and dedication is worth more than a McDonalds workers wages. Sure they make more money than that, but only because of the gambling aspect of it. Pros shouldn't be required to gamble to make a living, but that's what you seem to want, and along with a lot of people. Pro golfers don't gamble to make a living. They gamble for the fun of it. Have you ever heard some of the stories pro golfers tell about gambling, they all got you laughing at the end. It's because gambling isn't a life blood to them. It is to pro pool players, and it needs to stop.

Please, do continue making threads asking about why pro pool players are asking for handouts when you refuse to look at the problem of why they are asking in the first place. You could win a pro pool tourney and barely make enough money to live for the rest of the month, or will a golf tourney and not be required to play again all year(you will because of sponsor requirements, but not because you need the money.)

 

[azhousepro]

Maybe it's because corporate sponsors see the mentality that you are putting forward and it turns them off on pro pool.

Current promotors aren't able to get said type of sponsorship? Wonder why, must be the poor marketing strategy.

 

[JAM]

You still just don't "get it". I never mentioned anybody's age. What has that got to do with anything? If you really believe Shane hasn't improved a lot in the last 7-8 years, then I just don't know what to say. You certainly don't have your finger on the pulse of Shane's game, to be sure. I never said "things are just fine" the way they are...or that I believe pros should make their living gambling. Stop putting words in my mouth.

In case you missed it, I'm not the one "making threads about why players ask for handouts". I'm simply trying to answer the ridiculous responses that you're making (apparently 'off-the-cuff' because you really don't know what's going on in the industry). The pros that get my respect are the ones that SHOW respect for themselves and their sport. Actions speak much louder than words. I agree that pro players shouldn't have to gamble to make a living...but many of them do nothing to change the stereotype that they continue to promote in public. If somebody considers themselves skilled enough to be considered a 'pro player', AND they cannot make enough money playing pro pool (they can, but they're either too lazy or dumb to figure out how)...THEN GET A DAMN JOB, and stop asking for handouts.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Don't waste your time on this kid. He is emotionally challenged and truly doesn't know what time of day it is in the pool world. Praying for him to grow up might be a better effort.

 

[JAM]

So I guess it's just the billionaires that are funding golf right? Oh wait, I mean billion dollar corporation. The ones that buy ad space, the ones that sponsor the tourneys. Because you know golf doesn't go off naming their tourneys Golf Course Xxxx w/ $5,000,000 added. They call the tourney by the name of the biggest sponsor.

Current promotors aren't able to get said type of sponsorship? Wonder why, must be the poor marketing strategy. A flyer, yea that's all the advertising we need to get people to show. Then as always day of event, plenty of open spots waiting to be taken. Promotors always sitting there scratching their head, "but I put out a flyer!"

If you think that the current ideology floating around that pool can only be self promoted, you're dead wrong. How often are spectacular shots in golf replayed in ads, but never for pool. But you're right, I'm wrong. What was I thinking trying to compare promoting tactics of pool to other sports.

Is this your first rodeo? Get in the back of the line and pay your dues before you speak.

 

[JAM]

Tap tap tap. Great post sir.

Str8shots promoting pool tournaments in Denver ? Yes please! :thumbup:

Heck, yeah. The more the merrier, I say.

Bravo to Str8 Shots. :clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[Scott Lee]

kevin...We're really on the same page here. I agree with trying to schedule events so that they don't conflict with one another. Sometimes that's possible, sometimes not. Part of the problem is that there isn't a 'national clearinghouse' for information. AZ does a pretty good job, but they can only post about what they know about.

My main focus in this thread is about how nobody should feel like they're being held hostage just to get some pro players to come to their event. Come or don't come, but trying to play one event against the other is a grade school mentality.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott

I read her post and wow good for Nick he's so busy.

You have a bus route that's the only way to get from point A to point B and everyone wants to go there is hopping on your bus. Establish that bus route from the same destinations as another service and you are going to get some questions about your rates, the seating, how long you take etc, competition is just like that. I'm guessing if the only weekend Nick had available was also the US Open, they would have found a work-around, but maybe not

Again, put yourself in a competitive circumstance you should expect some competitive
strategies. Blows my mind that at the same time everyone is talking about how there are no pro events for these guys to compete and showcase pool in, that a new promoter couldn't have found a way to schedule so these pros that they care so much about could have played in both events.

Kevin

 

[kvinbrwr]

kevin...We're really on the same page here. I agree with trying to schedule events so that they don't conflict with one another. Sometimes that's possible, sometimes not. Part of the problem is that there isn't a 'national clearinghouse' for information. AZ does a pretty good job, but they can only post about what they know about.

My main focus in this thread is about how nobody should feel like they're being held hostage just to get some pro players to come to their event. Come or don't come, but trying to play one against the other is a grade school mentality.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I understand your focus. Are you really saying that you think its possible they didn't know the dates of Rum Runner when they scheduled? I don't think a clearing house or lack of it has anything to do with anything. Set yourself up in competition you have got to expect to get shopped. I'm not saying its wrong to compete with another event. I'm not saying its bad business. All that is their responsibility and decision making. All I'm saying is that when you schedule yourself in direct competition with another event, expect to get comparison shopped and negotiated with. Its the difference between offering the one and only or offering one of many.

 

[itsfroze]

Another they didn't know thread starting to sound a little like...

 

[kvinbrwr]

Another they didn't know thread starting to sound a little like...

I don't think she said she didn't know. I think she said she didn't think they had a choice.

 

[Scott Lee]

kevin...I cannot speak to that. Only Kimberly knows that answer (once again, I am not sticking up for scheduling conflicts). That said, the Rum Runner event is on barboxes, and their event is on 9' tables. One is 600 miles from the other. Pick your event, and show up. I just think it's hysterical that some of these guys think they're so self-important that they should get a free ride. Who do they think they are...Keith McCready? Now I will go on record and say, imo, that if Keith wanted to play, he might be considered "eligible" for some kind of consideration, inasmuch as he is a true legend in the sport (albeit 'retired'), and always draws a huge crowd due to his 'exhuberant' personality.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I understand your focus. Are you really saying that you think its possible they didn't know the dates of Rum Runner when they scheduled? I don't think a clearing house or lack of it has anything to do with anything. Set yourself up in competition you have got to expect to get shopped.

 

[RobertR]

Cmon, the Rum runner conflict is a red herring to the original point.

There are pros that would ask for airfare/lodging/appearance fess if this was the only tournament going that weekend.

To answer the original question, greed, avarice and an over inflated sense of importance.

 

[kvinbrwr]

kevin...I cannot speak to that. Only Kimberly knows that answer (once again, I am not sticking up for scheduling conflicts). That said, the Rum Runner event is on barboxes, and their event is on 9' tables. One is 600 miles from the other. Pick your event, and show up. I just think it's hysterical that some of these guys think they're so self-important that they should get a free ride. Who do they think they are...Keith McCready? Now I will go on record and say, imo, that if Keith wanted to play, he might be considered "eligible" for some kind of consideration, inasmuch as he is a true legend in the sport (albeit 'retired').

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Yeah i don't have any judgement of guys looking to pit competitive offerings against each other to their advantage.

Two dealers with driving distance of each other both offering the same make and model car are gonna get ground on by prospective buyers. "Who do you think you are?' is simple, they are the guy deciding what car to buy or what promotion to attend.