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why does everyone say he has to leave the usa to be the best. if a world championship was held in the usa and he won it would that still apply? he probly has beaten everyone by now, why cant they come to the usa and get beat ? all this stuff about American's , Europeans are the best, there will never be a answer so why worry about it, dam they are all good , and at any given time they all can be beat.
why does everyone say he has to leave the usa to be the best. if a world championship was held in the usa and he won it would that still apply? he probly has beaten everyone by now, why cant they come to the usa and get beat ? all this stuff about American's , Europeans are the best, there will never be a answer so why worry about it, dam they are all good , and at any given time they all can be beat.
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How much sense does it make to call a guy a world champion when he only wins championships in one country? I have nothing but respect for Shane and everything he does in and for the game, but some of us need to take the fanboyism out of it and see it for what it is.
see post #36 and do some research on variance. Shane's sample size in short race tourneys overseas is really small.
I'm sorry that some of you clowns don't get this very simple mathematical concept when dealing with top level players in pool or any other professional field.
If they had a race to 50, 9 or 10 Ball tourney anywhere on the planet next weekend, Shane would be the favorite to win it. PERIOD
Hey Einstein we are talking tournament pool not some off the wall race with the home court advantage ,,playing one player head to head in a long set is easier than playing many different players with different styles and you have to be on your toes from the start
IMHO one if the best feats in pool was Mika losing his first match in the US open and running the slate
So you can dream up any misconstrued excuse why Shane has not won but that's all it is
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SHANE is an amazing player IN ALL games. my opinion is that he is the best all around american player at this moment, and is arguably the best player in the world, But to say that he has not played the world or it dont make sense because he only wins tournaments in one country is ridiculous. THAT would be like saying tom brady aint the best qb in the world because he only plays in the usa. Lets see how many asians,philipino,euro,players come play that position better.The point is shane is GREAT and is capable of beating any living person and any game IN THE WORLD regardless if its only on us soil. So that quilifies him to be considered the best player in the world in my eys.
Why do you not hear the argument???
Why don't you hear anyone arguing that Ko Pin Yi is the best player in the world???
It's funny that some people don't wanna admit that Shane is the best player right now, but at the same time, the players that don't come win in America aren't even considered.
Jaden
Why don't you hear anyone arguing that Ko Pin Yi is the best player in the world???
It's funny that some people don't wanna admit that Shane is the best player right now, but at the same time, the players that don't come win in America aren't even considered.
Jaden
world champion
A world championship is a title commonly used to describe a variety of sports events across a number of sports and disciplines. As a general rule of thumb a world championship will be open to elite competitors from across the world, representing their nations, and winning such an event will be considered the highest or near highest achievement in the sport or contest,
as I see it the us open is open to all players from all nations as is derby city .
you don't need to travel the world to be a world champion.
A world championship is a title commonly used to describe a variety of sports events across a number of sports and disciplines. As a general rule of thumb a world championship will be open to elite competitors from across the world, representing their nations, and winning such an event will be considered the highest or near highest achievement in the sport or contest,
as I see it the us open is open to all players from all nations as is derby city .
you don't need to travel the world to be a world champion.
In Asia Ko Pin i is arguesd as the best player. Like Ding Jing Hui is starting to in snooker. This si argument is never going to go way until SVB wins a world championship or even a decent tournament overseas. Firstly SVB is outstanding ONE of the top players in the world for maybe even the best. BUT you cannot give him that title when his titles go against that. US open titles ok yes DCC yes, well there is a lack of Euro';/s and Asians at those tournys so NO. Mosconi he has a losing record adn thats not to do with the USA team being weaker thats individual matches.
this is excuse of hospitality is bullshit overseas he wil play on better equipment and get treated liek an actual sportsat as oposed tro here so i dont know what his excuse is. nerves ? field is too tough? mental block now who knows. But he has plenty of time I am sure he will be a world champion one day but as of tday he is not so sorry
I would go farther and say it's due to easier conditions.
The overseas tourneys I've seen have had buckets for pockets and much easier conditions, making it more difficult for the best to rise to the top. Combine that with later round single elimination formats and that's the main reason that other players have beaten Shane there.
Are other players capable of beating Shane? Of course. I've always argued that the differences between players at the highest levels are minute to say the least.
Jaden
The overseas tourneys I've seen have had buckets for pockets and much easier conditions, making it more difficult for the best to rise to the top. Combine that with later round single elimination formats and that's the main reason that other players have beaten Shane there.
Are other players capable of beating Shane? Of course. I've always argued that the differences between players at the highest levels are minute to say the least.
Jaden
did you even do any research on the term "variance" and how it relates to the difference between short races and long races in this instance? I'm betting not, because you still don't understand and your posts are all irrelevant.
It's a short race tournament!!!!!!!!!! Goddamn, how hard is it for people to realize that these tourneys can be won by any number of top tier pros and longer races will more times than not determine who the actual best player is. It astonishes me to see the lack of intelligence as it pertains to this issue.
2009. Mika won his first match, lost his second (to Chris Bartram), then ran the slate.
It's misguided to assume a long race is a greater test of skill than a short race purely due to the reduced variance. And looking at things in a purely mathematical sense, I'm sure another poster on here (CreeDo maybe?) posted so,e stats showing the difference between a long and short race isn't all that great.
The best player at marathon sets isn't necessarily the best player - they might just be the best endurance player. Just like the best player at short races might just be the pressure player. Arguing a long race has more inherent worth because of "variance" is fruitless, IMO.
As for SVB, if he's not the best player in the world he's right up there with them. I agree with Jaden that the difference between the very top players is super super slim.
Don't forget it's single elimination as well.
There's a reason that only one player has ever won back to back World 9 Ball titles.
You are wasting your breath Vette...some will never understand variance and its real meaning in the pool world.
Even though it's a different game (and different meaning to an extent to this term) playing a lot of poker the last few years made me take a good look at this term and how it relates to the game. A problem with variance most likely in all games is the opinion of sample size, as in what is a good sample size to determine the true variance in the outcomes of your game (poker or pool)? Opinions vary, but in the poker world as far as for the number of hands or tournaments played let's just say the consensus in the pro world is a lot higher quantity is required to show a close true example of your variance than the amount the average person thinks about their own game.
Lol what are you on? So many people in here don't understand variance. The better player is proven in longer races.