Big Foot 10 ball is my favorite game. It used to be 9 ball but I've seen to many games and matches won because of a slop shot. The reason 10 ball is now my favorite game is the call all shots and no slop rule. If slop is allowed I will never watch a 10 ball game again.
The Thinking On Bigfoot Slop
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I would like to add that I believe "no call shot" makes for a more exciting game. Like when Efren made the 9 ball against Appleton at the U.S. open 2012. Giving up the table is more of a last resort because you know that anything can happen when you hook your opponent. Efren and the other amazing filipinos were able to rise to the top playing Rotation with even more opportunities to fluke balls and get lucky on them. I wonder if they would have developed as much creativity if they were playing call shot?
There is great skill in fluking balls. It requires knowledge, understanding, and a sense for percentages. When I was a kid I had the pleasure of watching and getting schooled by George Hairston (Rotation Slim). He played rotation through the Great Depression and was one of the greatest players of his time. The less experienced were thoroughly convinced that he was just lucky.
The cream will always get to the top. On their way to the top, let’s not bleed every last creative thrill out of pool.
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The only slop disallowed in Bigfoot 10-Ball this year was winning by making the 10-ball on the break.
There is FAR more skill and creativity to "non call shot" pool than one can imagine, especially in kicking situations. Why take that out of the game? And when playing "call shot" pool, many additional rules come into play that slow down the game and make it boring, complicated and uninteresting to watch.
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Yes. And this also stands true for Eight-Ball. Call nothing....period.
Your stance on this matter is very surprising to me.
I agree completely, I enjoy the two way shots and all the slop on this green Earth wouldn't win that event against that field unless you were playing outstanding pool
That table was one of the very same ones used in Tunica.
The Bigfoot 10 Ball competition at Derby City was, for me, the Crown Jewel of the whole event. For the most part it ran flawlessly, one great match after another. It was worth the cost of the VIP TV seats in itself. If only the rest of the TV matches were as well scheduled.
One small change I would like to see in non call shot games is that the player could call a “safety” and pocket a ball and the table would turn over to the opponent. I probably feel this way because of the 9 Ball finals where John Morra played a perfect safety and fluked in the ball leaving himself hooked. It probably cost him the match.
One small change I would like to see in non call shot games is that the player could call a “safety” and pocket a ball and the table would turn over to the opponent. I probably feel this way because of the 9 Ball finals where John Morra played a perfect safety and fluked in the ball leaving himself hooked. It probably cost him the match.
Safety play at the professional level is supposed to take into account the route of both object ball and cue ball. With the exception of maybe 5% unlucky rolls, slopping in a ball and leaving yourself safe should be punished.
Not to I. Every game should have that x/luck factor, but pool players and promoters have designed the business model to suit their needs not the sport in many areas. Be like saying in golf if ya hit a tree and it lands on the green two feet from the cup you gotta put it back because luck doesn't count. Life is luck every day. Pool players, the better ones, and the local hot shots in a room where they feel like King are the real tournament culprits who customarily GROOM the tournament rules to their preferred style because they can, '' it's their home court'' and it will give them an advantage. Now a pool player looking for an advantage, there's a BIG surprise. :thumbup:
Agreed. I'm a hack and I do this all the time: can't make the x-ball so I bank it up table and lock the CB on y-ball...but I end up pocketing the x-ball so now I'm on the z-ball with the CB is superglued to the y-ball. It's my fault for not looking at where my bank shot will end up.
My comment to Paul was a bit of joke.
The guy wants to change the break, because it's a "luck" shot, but insists that playing slop counts is the way to go.
I already did change the break. The break is a highly skilled shot. Enough for that. Let's not highjack the thread.
I run all my weekly Eight-Ball tournaments "no call shot". All the good reasons that Jay ran his event "no-call shot" Ten-Ball also stand true for Eight-Ball. I have had excellent results.
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Efren Reyes choose all 3 games he is saying against SVB in the Tar Match this weekend. You don't have to call any ball in these games. 9 ball, Rotation, One Pocket. Not only does 'no call shot' simplify the games, even the "Greatest Player" ever prefers "no call shot". It seems he would rather allow a weaker player to "get lucky' on occasion than to give up some of his creative options.
BTW - Is there any serious One Pocket player who would like to change One Pocket rules to require balls to be called?
BTW - Is there any serious One Pocket player who would like to change One Pocket rules to require balls to be called?
Well said. Nobody plays more multi-purpose or multi-option shots than Reyes or uses billiard knowledge more creatively to give himself some extra chances for a good result. Unless you allow him to call things like "I'm banking the seven but using left English to myself a better chance to double bank it I miss" or "I'm playing the three ball but will try to carom in the eight, too, in case I miss the three, and will use a speed that ensures that I get some shape whether I make one of them or both" you're asking the most creative player that ever screwed a cue together to think a little less about his shot design. That would be pool's great loss.
Same goes with 14.1. Recently, I saw a bank game that allowed kisses combinations and air shots (kicks) to make points, that was sad.
If you make the races long enough it all works itself out, and the reason for ones loss is almost ALWAYS the one in the mirror.
I made a rule with myself years ago about my travel distance and the match length/rules in the tourney. There's NO way I would drive 600 miles one way to play a race to 7 winner breaks nine ball. Once the race got to 9, I would consider to go and if it was alternate breaks I always went, and to drive any further it would have to be a race to 11. Ironically I drove to TN one year to JOB, and in a winner break bar table event I was up 5-1, got sharked and my opponent ran out and put a 8 pack on me and then broke and hooked/locked me up, with the score 10-5 how ya like it? Been beat a handful of times on the hill both ways, he broke the nine in or I did. Pool players try and make the game predictable....good luck :thumbup:
Efren's "Z" shot against Strickland is arguably one of the most famous kick shots in 9-ball. Are you saying he wouldn't have attempted this shot if he had to call the pocket? In interviews later on he said he was just trying to hit it, but he knew it had a chance of going in. Knowing that, why wouldn't he have just said "5 ball, corner pocket" and accepted the slim chance he had of actually making it?
I still haven't heard what kind of creative two-way shots are commonly seen that would be lost in a call-shot game. Call-shot/call-safe, yes, but not when just having to call the pocket and the ball you want to fall into it.