Safety Shot, foul or legal?

[dabarbr]

It could be. Also it could be argued that no-one gets anywhere because to get someone you first have to travel 1/2 the distance to the object, then another 1/2 and so on. You'll never reach it.

Also since technically no object actually touches another one due to the space between molecules, fire can't burn you.

??????????????? I think molecules might be able to touch, even atoms when they collide.

 

[CreeDo]

I think they also call it a lift-brush foul.

I believe Efren was playing a straight pool tournament and played it when his CB was buried in the stack.
His opponent called him on it. What's worse, I think the ref can hit you with a 15 point penalty
since it technically falls under unsportsmanlike conduct. I can't remember if that's what happened to Efren.

 

[hang-the-9]

??????????????? I think molecules might be able to touch, even atoms when they collide.

Only under the most extreme situations would they, as in inside a neutron star. Which is what enables a star size object to be compressed into the size of a state. You can probably get them to "touch" inside a particle accelerator also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8rkG9Dw4s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star

I'm not really being a jerk toward you hehe, but since we're going towards technicalities... There is some forward motion, maybe as you can swipe straight up and even go backwards which you would as the sphere gets closer to you as you go up on it, forcing the cue backwards, but it's not a forward stroke.

 

[plhlolelnlilx]

Technically every stroke you take is going to have a backwards motion when you strike the cue ball.

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[itsfroze]

Technically every stroke you take is going to have a backwards motion when you strike the cue ball.

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Not if you lay your cue on the table so the tip is barely under the edge of the cue ball and lift the shaft up with your hand from a little behind the tip end of the shaft.

No back stroke there! Not a legal stroke.

That is a foul on the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour.

 

[Roadking]

I can picture the shot in my mind perfect. I had a guy use it on me years ago playing defense in 9-ball. I never new if it was leagal or not but I started using it all so. Next time I see it being used I'll definitely say something about it.

 

[dabarbr]

Only under the most extreme situations would they, as in inside a neutron star. Which is what enables a star size object to be compressed into the size of a state. You can probably get them to "touch" inside a particle accelerator also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8rkG9Dw4s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star

I'm not really being a jerk toward you hehe, but since we're going towards technicalities... There is some forward motion, maybe as you can swipe straight up and even go backwards which you would as the sphere gets closer to you as you go up on it, forcing the cue backwards, but it's not a forward stroke.

I quit. I'm getting a headache.

 

[Black-Balled]

By the WPA rules you must stroke the cue in a forward motion (with respect to its axis). Thus a foul. (Or in fact, unsportmanslike conduct, as a misuse of equipment.)

A shot begins when the tip contacts the cue ball due to a forward stroke motion of the cue stick.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play#8.2

How's about the masse then? I shoot that shiizz 1 of every 6 shots and I will be heartbroken if I gotta stop!

 

[Black-Balled]

I think they also call it a lift-brush foul.

I believe Efren was playing a straight pool tournament and played it when his CB was buried in the stack.
His opponent called him on it. What's worse, I think the ref can hit you with a 15 point penalty
since it technically falls under unsportsmanlike conduct. I can't remember if that's what happened to Efren.

I thought I had read parica did it...but I know, they all look the same to you, you racist wanker.

 

[hang-the-9]

How's about the masse then? I shoot that shiizz 1 of every 6 shots and I will be heartbroken if I gotta stop!

You're still going forward with the cue in a regular stroke, just from top to down (which is OK, if you do that from bottom to top that's scooping which is not legal).

 

[Black-Balled]

You probably can't execute it. Takes a player. Works best one handed. You are using the rock's curve as a tool to move it that distance. It is a very clean strike almost a whiff or it is a foul. Easy to blow. As for shooting up through the rock or down and that is how you draw or follow by the way including low follow and high follow which are not fouls the tip has to hit the cue ball foreward. It can't do that because as the Cueball moves it must be pushed foreward. If I masse the front of the Cueball when the balls are almost frozen to follow the Cueball 8 feet is it a foul. No. Not even if it passes the rock. Which is not allowed to pass the rock's place on the table by it's diameter. When you see something happen and you can'e execute the shot you really are clueless what has to happen with the Cuestick and Cueball and the stroke. You are not doing anything but explaining why you can't execute the shot and that is because your mind has a linit and has reached it. Pool is objective not subjective. If I explain how something works physically you subjectively say that isn't lega'. It isn't legal if I play as bad as you. I will say that.
Nick

Holy muka-foley, Serdula! that post makes even less sense than that asinine 12b rack in your avatar pic.

 

[Rasputin]

How's about the masse then? I shoot that shiizz 1 of every 6 shots and I will be heartbroken if I gotta stop!

Don't worry. Masse is a forward stroke with respect to the axis of the cue. No problems there, though I think you were already well aware of this.

Holy muka-foley, Serdula! that post makes even less sense than that asinine 12b rack in your avatar pic.

Agreed. I had some fun times trying to make sense of that post. Well deserves a post of the month award or something.

By the way, I would strongly suggest for anyone answering to these rule-question threads to attach some type of reference, was it WPA or something else.

It is rather annoying when after a question about a rule there are always tens of ''knowledgeable answers'' without no references. And many of these have the form of Mr. Serdula's post above, which only makes things worse.

 

[Neil]

That is a foul. You can only shoot in a standard forward motion, not up. It does not matter if the cue ball is frozen or not, it's an illegal motion to the shot. At the most, you can shoot forward and swipe across maybe as some people do that anyway if they have a bad stroke and try to use spin.

That is considered an intentional miscue, and is also a foul.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I'm sure this has been asked, but I scrolled back a few pages and couldn't see it. I've been away from the game for over a year now, and wanted to get a new opinion on a safety. I looked for a video on youtube, but couldnt' find one so I guess I'll just explain.
When the cb and ob are almost frozen on a rail, but not, and someone puts their cue down under the edge of the cue ball and lifts up quickly, is it a foul?

I know before I quit playing, we usually had someone watch the hit and called it good as long as the cue ball never left the table (implying there was a 'push') but it recently came up as an illegal shot and foul. I was just looking for a newer opinion.

See http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997.pdf (October 1997) for a previous discussion of various close safety methods.

Since that time (16 years ago) the "lifting" shot has been explicitly ruled illegal and all shots must be done with a forward motion of the cue stick, where "forward" is in a direction from butt to tip.