You really don't know me! I played both of them at DERBY within the last 5 years! They both BEHAVED very well during my match with them. I wonder why???
The little guy gets the stink eye, I guess???
KD
Rodney shows up in Reno
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You really don't know me! I played both of them at DERBY within the last 5 years! They both BEHAVED very well during my match with them. I wonder why???
The little guy gets the stink eye, I guess???
KD
I agree with you - it would be dumb on all parts to turn this into a legal issue. I was merely pointing out that it could quickly become one if all parties are not careful to cover themselves.
There are many low-end desperate lawyers - it costs a few hundred dollars to file a suit and the chances of a quick settlement are great if insurance is involved.
If this happened, however, CSI would have to weigh the cost of defending a suit versus settling. Sadly, it almost never makes sense to go to court when you or your insurance can settle for a small amount - which is why there are so many lawyers in the world and so many nuisance suits. I do events and carry a $5,000,000 liability package for such reasons.
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apparently you're out of the loop. according to yesterday's news - Rodney's starting his own Pro Tour.
Wow, you just said that to one of the few guys in pool in decades who actually really stepped out and started something and helped pro pool players earn a living over the last few years. A guy that most of those pros would likely defend tooth and nail.
Justin has done a LOT more for the pro pool players then sitting on a keyboard trying to defend their sensibilities when they do something stupid. He has done more for pro pool players then 99.999% of the people on AZB will ever do, including you. That IS a fact.
fair enough, we'll leave it at that!
You're kinda wrong in the example given. Your house is your house, it's not considered a place of public accommodation, whereas a casino is open to the public. If the event is open to the public you can't very well keep him out just because he made you mad. If tickets are available to the public for purchase they would need to allow him to purchase a ticket and enter the venue. Now some business have a sign that says something like "We reserve the right...", in many places around the country displaying and trying to enforce that sign is a violation of civil rights. However, I have found that some of the rules in places like Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Laughlin, Reno, even the mountain towns here in Colorado, the places with casinos operate on an entirely different set of rules for their own safety. If this event was in a place like San Jose or Denver without a reason besides you don't like him, you'd have a tough time trying to justify just why he isn't allowed in, in Reno - I'm not so sure
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This is probably true. The event promoter then assumes liability for this distinction, however. The foyer immediately outside the ballroom is probably public. A lot of it would depend on the circumstances and what damages were actually done. What are the damages for asking someone to leave?
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The thought of Rodney suing CSI is absurd. He would have to pay the legal fees or find an attorney stupid enough to take the case on a contingency. Given the potential $ amount win, the latter isn't likely even if the attorney thought they would win. When filling a lawsuit, one must also consider the potential consequences of a counter suit for filing a frivolous lawsuit. Yes, you can theoretically file a law suit for anything. That doesn't mean the court will accept it nor does it mean the plaintiff can expect to just walk away unscathed.
What is confusing about all this is how I keep hearing he was banned. If I understand it correctly, he simply wasn't invited. While the end result may be the same, there is a substantial difference. What I'd like to know is if Rodney was doing something that caused his expulsion from the event. While it is possible, if truth were known, I suspect he was doing something more than simply standing in the crowd spectating that led to him being asked to leave.
He was banned from entering all CSI open events. That is perfectly fine.
He was apparently asked to leave the Reno event where he unexpectedly showed up as a spectator. That is what is in question legally.
The casino may be open to the public but it is a privately owned entity. They would require very little reason, in the way of justification, for removing someone from the premises. So you sue? BFD. What were your damages? The admission fee? Just because you sue and win doesn't mean you're automatically awarded a big payday.
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Are all CSI events by invitation only or are they open events? Is there a list, published by CSI, that explicitly statesthose that are banned? Or did Rodney simply not get an invite and then, he himself, said he was banned?
There is no Joe Pesci. That is a big part of the problem.
There are verbal versions of what that movie presented that work even more effectively then violence. If an extremely well known charismatic professional pool player had ever taken the reigns and decided to take a role of leadership and demand a respect towards the game from the other players this sport would be in a very different place today. But, none did.
Johnny Archer is the single player that stands out in American pool as the guy that had the chance to be that guy. He has/had worlds of respect, he was extremely well known and well liked, and the other players listened to what he had to say and followed him. He could have been the "Joe Pesci" of sorts for pool. He could have been the guy that would call up Rodney and say "WTF bud? What are you doing, Mark is a good guy and we all need him. You cannot go disrespecting him like that."
Then just as Joe Pesci did there he acts as the middle man, the arbiter and he phones up the other side and makes peace and keeps things going.
Unfortunately pool does not have one single professional in the entire of America that has the respect and ear of their peers and who is willing to actually BE "that guy" and right the ship when it goes off-kilter like this.
Rodney is clearly the disrespectful cowboy, Mark is clearly the casino manager, and there is no Joe Pesci out there that both sides know and respect that can speak to both sides from a position of respect and authority and get things back on the right path. So the disrespectful cowboy is left to wander around with no direction and no way of getting back into the casino.
Guys like Joe Pesci, if Archer had decided to BE that guy, they help ALL the sides and he could not help Rodney and Mark both. But Archer chose long ago to take a very different role and now that ship has long since sailed and he can never be what he should have been for the betterment of pool.
There is no one else. SVB is a phenomenal player but he is a loner for the most part and will not lead the players and simply does not have the charisma and is not the central figure of the scene from a personality standpoint. There is no other pro that can be that guy atm in America. It is very sad.
They are all open as of now I believe.
They are switching some events to invitationals, but he was banned from entering the ones that are open. His application would just be rejected. He was informed he's banned. We're assuming it's because he said come unkind words about CSI and Mark after winning an event.
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takeitdown
Banned
I have no problem with people expressing their opinions on Rodney's actions, everyone has a right to what they think. The only thing that bothers me are the personal attacks on him. I think it's safe to say that what people on here are saying isn't bothering Rodney in the least.
Exactly. You can't rattle Hawians!
Lol @ Rodney
Lol @ Jam
Lol @ lawsuit idea
If I missed anything let me know as I briefly skimmed the thread
Lol @ Jam
Lol @ lawsuit idea
If I missed anything let me know as I briefly skimmed the thread
takeitdown
Banned
Before you accuse Mark of "taking" 30%, maybe you should get a clue on where it goes.
So, accordiing to you, a pro doing wrong doesn't hurt the game, but people pointing out that he did wrong does hurt the game. Guess everything is just supposed to be swept under the rug...
So is it proper for Mark to open up a renowned pool player to this sort of public ridicule? He's a smart guy and knows he just fans the flames when he posts here for the "little people" to read.
If you want to save pool or just make a livinig off it, I think it would be prudent to not respond in a forum about how you treat the help. Unless it's all about ego...then just tear each other apart.
So invite whoever you want to your event, heck ban spectators you don't like ect..., just promote players who you can make business agreements with. Hell monopolize the game entirely. Mr. Griffin has more to say about the future of this game than almost anyone. Maybe he's the messiah, if so he better learn to just turn the other cheek.
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He's been accused of being a Rocket
Lets start with some facts! The above post is out of line!
Fact : Mark is rich!
Fact: Mark is involved with pool because he loves it
Fact: Mark is sick
Fact: Mark is old
Fact: Mark just hired his successor
Fact: Pool is his legacy
Fact: Mark is not in it for the money
So, based on these FACTS the "Treat the help" comment and "Save pool or just make a living off it" comments are misguided and ludicrous.
Kd