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Yes, apart from the cues, the balls, the tables, the rules, they are exactly the same game.
Gareth Potts vs SVB.. who wins?
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Yes, apart from the cues, the balls, the tables, the rules, they are exactly the same game.
I agree for the most part, but to say playing on a barbox versus the bigfoot tables is the same, you are either losing your mind or have never played on either. You can't just spit it out that American pool tables are all the same.
We have two main types of barboxes in America: Valley Tables & Diamond Tables
You could find yourself playing on a Valley with 5" pockets or a Valley with 4 1/2" pockets. It may have ridgeback rails, it may not. It may have SImonis 760 or it may have thick nappy cloth.
We also have two main 9 foot tables:
Brunswick Gold Crown Tables & Diamond Professional/Pro-Am Tables
You could find yourself playing on a GC5 with 5" pockets or a GC5 with 3 7/8" pockets. Diamonds are proof that not all American pool table pockets are the same.
I'd love to see any of your Brits (that post here on AzB), play on a Valley barbox with slow cloth and huge pockets, then transition to a Gold Crown with sub 4" pockets.
play rotation on a 9' with sub 4" pockets and see how sloppy the game is
From the sublime to the ridiculous. anytime your boy fancies stepping up on the 6x12 I'm sure the queue will be 4 miles long.
Gonna need more details...if it is pool bAlls sand pool pockets, I say svb need 19 minutes to prepare. Snooker pockets and balls, no bet...unless I can half of your side.
But my point was that they- and I prsume Potts, as well- both play far better than 8b requires, so isn't it like asking who can put their shoes on better?
To put this to bed. I talked to svb about this issue in the last month. He wouldn't play because the balls are too small for him and what he is used too. With years of practice sure he could be a top player but why would he do that? Potts is the best at english8ball and shane is the best rotation player in the usa maybe even the world. granted potts would have a better chance at the all round because its easier to go from english 8 ball to american 8 ball as its much easier to do the opposite for svb would eb much more difficult.
i.e. mark selby when was upcoming snnoker player played in teh 8 ball championship not sure what event but he had to go through all the qualifiers and ended up winning by beating appleton in the final. Example that snooker can transition to english 8 ball successfully because there are similarities. For svb to transition to snooker or english 8 ball would take a long time.
i.e. mark selby when was upcoming snnoker player played in teh 8 ball championship not sure what event but he had to go through all the qualifiers and ended up winning by beating appleton in the final. Example that snooker can transition to english 8 ball successfully because there are similarities. For svb to transition to snooker or english 8 ball would take a long time.
I don't know....I play both and I don't think the transition from pool to snooker or English 8 ball is as big of a jump as many say it is. I'm a pretty strong amateur poolplayer and recently learned snooker, then played some somewhat weaker players who've played snooker for decades and was able to consistently beat them frame after frame. I understand that comparison won't necessarily apply to top players, but I think that SVB is strong enough with cue sports in general that he could apply those skills to a game he doesn't play often. Yes, there is a different mental approach to the game but I don't think it's TOTALLY different like a lot of UK players would have you believe. I think Shane could be competitive in the snooker world, but we'll probably never know.
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If you want to know who can be competitive I suggest you study who is not. The lower ranks are littered with former world champions and multiple world champs that are no longer competitive have had to retire. Ask Davis, White, Hendry, Parrot, Williams, Doherty, Ebdon, just how tough it is.
I can only put it down to a lack of understanding on what it takes to be competitive in today's professional game and your club play with your friends will never show you that. No I am not a pro but yes I have played with some of the best in the world and the pro game is a different class all together, hundreds of young highly coached and trained players are trying to break through but it's a long hard journey.
To attain a pot success rate of 95-98% a safety success of 80+% or a long pot success of 65+% over a long match is extremely tough, you need the mechanics to consistently thin hit balls from under the bottom rail and return past the balk line, often having to spin the ball from 10 feet to get lock up safe you need the mechanics for when long ball chances come around you have to knock them in, safety has to be air tight, leave it short and they will knock one in and all are capable of killing the frame off in one visit.
Basically it's become you miss you lose. No pool player is going to live with that, none never no how no way.
These top players have been doing it all their lives from before they were teens, you can't start at 20 or 30 years of age even with a pool playing head start you need ten years to learn and then it's probably time to retire anyway. He could not even compete against the top league players right now let alone pro's.
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I don't want to take anything away from the rest of your post, but the part in bold is entirely untrue.
In snooker, you miss or play a bad safe, you'll probably lose the frame. It doesn't mean you'll lose the match.
In pool, one missed shot or bad safety can mean losing the entire set.
No doubt.......
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a Euro
That's the best you got? Some bigoted statement about my nationality. Shows the level of intelligence is not getting any better on this forum
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Assuming it's winner breaks. And as often as statements like this get thrown around, it's super, super rare to see a player running out the set.
SVB is too old to stand a chance in top flight snooker.
Also his funny mentals are currently not good enough to beat an average
snooker player.
No doubt within the USA there are a few players who could be a future world
snooker champion but they would need to be found early in age, have
the backing of their parents and the structure to play competitive snooker through their junior years.
In the UK these kids are starting at 8 years of age their parents will take them thousand of miles per year to various events by the time they are in their early teens
they are hardened match players.
You have the example of the 8 year old playing Corey Duel in Latvia
http://www.snookerusa.com/news/2013...year-old-snooker-opponent-boiko-after-victory
Corey being coached to try a more traditional snooker stance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI2oaNq6E8
I do admire CD for giving snooker a go.
Very little money in English pool, that's why you have the Appleton's of this world
moving to the states.
I think Potts has signed a good deal to tour China.
He made $50,000 two years on the trot at C8B. He played on the IPA tour, which doesn't carry huge prize money to be fair. No idea on regional events.
There is no longer a central resource for pool in the UK - like azbillards - anymore. There was a site called uk8ball.com but when it was sold the new owners refused to invest in it and didn't buy the shop, which provided the income that covered the staffing fees - so it died quite quickly.
looks like he needs to come over here to try and make a decent living then where he can get pounded on by SVB just like all of the other brits.