Aiming Systems • Techniques • ETC

[Woof Biscuit]

What we really need is a section of the forum devoted to aiming.

 

[stan shuffett]

REAL CTE works ONLY on a 2x1 table.

Also, Take a 2x1 table and move all of the pockets 1/4 of a diamond from their proper location and REAL CTE is done. Put a fork in it. PERIOD. DONE.

I do not think there is a single person on this thread that is criticizing my work that can put up a YouTube video today that would show that they know CTE PRO ONE. Yet they purport to know a lot about it....

Stan Shuffett

 

[JoeyInCali]

If you bought all of them, you'd go broke.

 

[klone]

I caught that stream when Stevie Moore was playing, and like you I also noticed his "new" PSR coming into the shot... I have seen videos of him playing before as well as watched him in person at a tournament a couple years back, and that was definitely not how he got into the shot. Very interesting...

First, like joey, I purchase aiming systems to see if I can get something from them. I do think some are snake oil.



Did anyone watch Stevie Moore last night in the Smokey Mountain Shootout? Even Big Truck was commenting on WTF was he doing, and we all know he is a Pro One proponent. He was coming into the shot weird, almost putting his head on top of the cue and walking straight into the shot. Watch the stream today to see if he does the same thing.



Maybe he has a new system. I would call it the rifle.

 

[stan shuffett]

I caught that stream when Stevie Moore was playing, and like you I also noticed his "new" PSR coming into the shot... I have seen videos of him playing before as well as watched him in person at a tournament a couple years back, and that was definitely not how he got into the shot. Very interesting...

What Stevie has done adjustment-wise is all physical and has ZERO to do with the VISUAL.

See Stevie's FB and what he had to say this morning about PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[IamCalvin06]

Lol yes... Keep arguing and disclaiming CTE! That's just what I want you guys to do. I can finally have it all to myself and I never have to hide it! Lol muhahaha

On second thought I might just join u guys so you'll never know what I'm doing when I'm shooting. I'll just claim I'm ghost balling it lol... GhostBalling...

Then all the haters will have someone who can shoot the same shots stan does!

 

[JB Cases]

What Stevie has done adjustment-wise is all physical and has ZERO to do with the VISUAL.

See Stevie's FB and what he had to say this morning about PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett

"Never have I had the comfort of knowing the ball is going to fall until Pro One. I love Stan Shuffett. " - Stevie Moore

Why people want to knock pro players who are kind enough to share what they do is beyond me.

 

[cookie man]

If you bought all of them, you'd go broke.

Or, make more balls and win a lot of money. It's all about choices.

 

[Mitchxout]

"Never have I had the comfort of knowing the ball is going to fall until Pro One. I love Stan Shuffett. " - Stevie Moore

Why people want to knock pro players who are kind enough to share what they do is beyond me.

Because they can't be trusted?

 

[daphish1]

Is aiming really the hard part of pool?

I think the whole delivery process is where most people miss shots not because they don't know where to aim. More shots would be missed hitting anything other than center ball.

When any top pro misses a shot I'd think it was due to factors other than not having the correct line of aim. Trying to cheat a pocket, english, jacked up, chalk on the ball, chalk on the table, jumped up, grip tightened up, elbow drop, tension in fore arm, etc. I'd pick anyone of these before I'd say their aim was off.

 

[JB Cases]

Because they can't be trusted?

So you think Stevie Moore is lying?

 

[book collector]

Unfortunately, I didn't communicate the intention of my thread well enough. It wasn't to start the arguing that is regularly seen about aiming systems.

I was hoping that the thread might persuade those who think they know it all, that they don't know it all for every one.

What I know about pool is only from my own personal path. That knowledge may or may not be what you need to learn.

Your own personal pool knowledge may or may not be what I need to learn.

I don't have any problem with someone thinking that what they know is the absolute best way to aim, stand, bridge, hit the cue ball, stroke etc, FOR THEMSELVES. I do have a problem with anyone thinking that THEIR WAY is the best way for EVERYONE.

That is why I suggest that instead of making negative comments about this one or that one, this thing or that thing, you should perhaps, open your mind to other possibilities and perspectives if not for yourself, then FOR OTHERS.


JoeyA

All you can do is relay your messages Joey, and they are always good ones, if some don't want to embrace new ideas, it is their loss
I don't know any smart people who don't believe knowledge is power.
That's enough for me.

 

[JB Cases]

Is aiming really the hard part of pool?

I think the whole delivery process is where most people miss shots not because they lined up wrong. More shots would be missed hitting anything other than center ball.

When any top pro misses a shot I'd think it was due to factors other than not having the correct line of aim. Trying to cheat a pocket, english, jacked up, chalk on the ball, chalk on the table, jumped up, grip tightened up, elbow drop, tension in fore arm, etc. I'd pick anyone of these before I'd say their aim was off.

It's not the hard part it's just the FIRST part. The first thing you do is aim. You have to orient yourself somehow to get in position to put that cue down to address the cue ball.

So the whole point of all this is to discuss and try various methods and pick the one you like best. If you can make the balls fall then you're good.

If not then maybe you want to work on your game and figure out what parts need work. Could be your aiming is off, could be your mechanics, could be your vision, or any combination of those things.

I personally like the idea that some people in this sport have taken up this aspect and made a study of it. Nothing wrong with that I think.

 

[Mitchxout]

So you think Stevie Moore is lying?

It was a question, not a statement.. Take a chill pill.

 

[stan shuffett]

All you can do is relay your messages Joey, and they are always good ones, if some don't want to embrace new ideas, it is their loss
I don't know any smart people who don't believe knowledge is power.
That's enough for me.

I like your comments a lot.....but there are plenty of smart people that want the knowledge concerning REAL CTE to go away. I do not fully understand why that is but it becoming clearer to me as to WHY as time passes on.

Stan Shuffett

 

[JB Cases]

If you bought all of them, you'd go broke.

Bought all of what? Material on aiming methods?

I don't know, the way I see it if you bought everything that is available on aiming you wouldn't spend $200.

Academics spend thousands, tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars increasing their knowledge. Those who are dedicated to personal improvement spend whatever it takes to improve themselves.

What have you spent learning to make cues? How much time have you put in? What did your mentor spend?

If someone were to come on here and say it's bullshit to x-ray cues to see how they are made, no one needs to do that, anyone can figure out how to join wood properly with practice you might disagree.

I don't know what you might say but I think I would say that having x-rays of how dozens of cue from various makers would be a wealth of information and a definite asset to a cue maker. It would be a head-start for any aspiring cue maker to have that information I would think.

What do you think? Are all those X-rays useless bullshit or did Kerry's time spent gathering this data have any tangible benefit?

 

[one stroke]

Or, make more balls and win a lot of money. It's all about choices.

It's like a infomercial where at the end they say the results seen here are not typical
So yes with a few there are results most don't experience ,, So a guy like
Stevie with above average talent and at some point a lot of dedication ,, it's not surprising to see good results ,,, a average player won't get as much as we have seen first hand



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[Poolplaya9]

.....there are plenty of smart people that want the knowledge concerning REAL CTE to go away.

That should tell you something. They have no ulterior motive. You are apparently a good guy so it is not that they dislike you, since they do. They don't have a competing aiming system to sell so they aren't a competitor either. They have no other reason but one. It doesn't work as claimed. And it is generally the smarter less gullible guys that know this.

 

[CJ Wiley]

we MUST set up (align) to the cue ball/object ball consistently to make every shot

Whatever "aiming system" a player chooses, the out come is to relate the cue ball to the object ball in such a manner that it creates an angle. On every shot we are "creating angles," not shooting at a target (like with a pistol or bow). The final target is the pocket, yet the primary target is the cue ball---->there's one other component, that keeps us from "aiming" like a rifle, pistol, bow, or dart ----> the object ball, which complicates things.

Since we are "creating angles," and not necessarily "aiming," the part of the mind that processes creativity is in the subconscious mind. The conscious mind will tell you there's some "secret" to shooting at the target-----> this is a lie, and our own minds will lie to keep us from changing (our own perspective).

Creating any angle we need to play the game of pocket billiards at the highest level is available to each and every one of us. All we need is a common reference point to start from, without a "base" angle (I use "full ball," and "half ball") there's little hope our subconscious can create any other angle consistently.

It's like finding directions to anyplace on earth, we must FIRST know for sure where we are starting out from---->this is true in pool and creating angles, we MUST set up (align) to the cue ball/object ball consistently to make every shot time, after time, after time.

'The Subconscious Game is the Teacher'

Aiming systems and techniques that some people SELL are not necessary for everyone. That is the cold-blooded truth. You can still go hit a million balls and you might reach Nirvana or not......

However, I have thought on this A LOT. Everyone knows that there isn't an aiming system out there or a technique that I don't like. I have purposefully kept an open mind about every aiming system and every technique used by others and the bottom line is they all work for some people, sometimes a lot of people.

We aren't all built the same, physically, mentally or emotionally and that's why there are all these different ways that people suggest that you can play and improve your game.

While there is a cookie-cutter method of playing pool, it isn't for everyone BECAUSE we don't all see things the same way.

For those of you that dislike or hate (PUT IN YOUR MOST HATED SYSTEM HERE), because it doesn't work for YOU, don't think it doesn't work for SOMEONE ELSE, because it DOES. It might not help YOU, but it does help others. So instead of running behind every thread that offers another option for aiming, shooting or playing and pissing in those cheerios, consider that someone else who doesn't see things just as you do, might just be helped by that particular aiming system.

I have made it a life-long work of learning and appreciating the way different people play pool. I have probed the minds of the best pool players on the planet. I have paid for pool lessons from the best pool players on the planet. They all offer UNIQUE perspectives about how they see things and how they accomplish things and you should consider this before admonishing things that haven't helped you. Please consider that you might not need (or find it valuable) that particular piece of the puzzle but someone else MIGHT and you could be the one preventing them from improving their pool game. We aren't all made alike.

Just sayin......

JoeyA

 

[stan shuffett]

That should tell you something. They have no ulterior motive. You are apparently a good guy so it is not that they dislike you, since they do. They don't have a competing aiming system to sell so they aren't a competitor either. They have no other reason but one. It doesn't work as claimed. And it is generally the smarter less gullible guys that know this.

Lol YOU missed the whole point. There are a number of smart ones that know real CTE works as described and they want the knowledge to go away. Go figure!

Stan Shuffett