Aiming Systems • Techniques • ETC

[Poolplaya9]

Here is the difference between you and me I think.

No, here is the difference between you and I.

I know I am stupid. Last time I did an IQ test I think it was in the 40s. Thus I rely on practical experience on the pool table to inform me of the accuracy of a method. Sorry I don't crack open a math book to try to figure out...

You see, you just get certain results and then assume what may have caused them. Since you pocketed some balls, the assumption is that the system must get the correct aiming line.

I on the other hand look open the math books and look at the system in detail and find that it does not find the correct aim line. I also find that the system is not clearly defined and described. It is vague and ambiguous in areas and leaves much open to interpretation and experimentation. It leaves many holes which have to be filled by ones prior aiming experience. Thus if the aiming system is working for me, I need to figure out why, because it isn't and cannot possibly be finding the correct aiming line.

 

[JoeyA]

Our good friend Patrick Johnson is still banned from AZB (until next January I think), but he still lurks and reads. [/COLOR]

It looks like the thread has been hijacked so I may as well take the opportunity to follow a curiosity of my own.

Dave,
Has Patrick Johnson ever told you in print, word, email, text, message or otherwise communicated to you that he also continues to post on the forums of AZBilliards under a name other than Patrick Johnson?

JoeyA

 

[JB Cases]

Maybe Pat should come up with an alias?

Hey, Pat, if you do it just remember: "Roadie" is taken.

Lou Figueroa
bannable offense
lol

You really shouldn't talk about thing you don't understand. As I remember it Roadie pointed out your considerable knocks and you could not handle the facts. Roadie never once insulted you, just pointed out the remarks you made.

Roadie was an account that was 100% allowed to be on AZB. Wilson abused his position to shut it down. Roadie never harmed a soul and never broke one single rule.

 

[JB Cases]

No, here is the difference between you and I.


You see, you just get certain results and then assume what may have caused them. Since you pocketed some balls, the assumption is that the system must get the correct aiming line.

I on the other hand look open the math books and look at the system in detail and find that it does not find the correct aim line. I also find that the system is not clearly defined and described. It is vague and ambiguous in areas and leaves much open to interpretation and experimentation. It leaves many holes which have to be filled by ones prior aiming experience. Thus if the aiming system is working for me, I need to figure out why, because it isn't and cannot possibly be finding the correct aiming line.

Well, it's like this -

A man says to me do this and I do it and get immediately better results. Those results don't fade and the more comfortable I become with the man's methods the better my results are. So yes, my conclusion is that an increase in pocketing comes FROM the use of that method.

I find it to clear and unambiguous. So we have a difference of opinion. And I think a difference in actual experience. I don't know about you but I know that Pat Johnson has pretty much zero experience with any of Hal's systems or any other systems. I know that neither he nor you nor Dave Alciatore or any so called naysayer ever took it upon themselves to prove their claims on the table.

BUT

The proponents have taken every claim the naysayers have put out, every diagram that was made including Dr. Dave's and Pat's to the table to see if their methods would hold up against those claims and so far they have.

So yeah, sorry I don't get my pool experience from a math book and neither do most players.

 

[Jaden]

he already does...

Maybe Pat should come up with an alias?

Hey, Pat, if you do it just remember: "Roadie" is taken.

Lou Figueroa
bannable offense
lol

He's called Sofla...

 

[one stroke]

What led you to believe that? I actually said the following, and guess it's up to you to see how it aligns to Stan's teachings......the same thing can be accomplished in more than one way, this is true in most aspects of life. 'The Game {of Life} is the Teacher'

Might have been this line...
When Stan showed me the CTE PRO I system in Tunica I was able to make every shot he set up. This system does what I've often described,

Yes you are correct there are many ways to achieve the same results


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[dr_dave]

Dave,
Has Patrick Johnson ever told you in print, word, email, text, message or otherwise communicated to you that he also continues to post on the forums of AZBilliards under a name other than Patrick Johnson?

I really don't know PJ any better than other long-term AZB members know him, but IMO he wouldn't do something like that. I didn't always agree with PJ's "approach" to dealing with people, but he seems like an honest and respectable guy to me.

Catch you later,
Dave

 

[Mikjary]

He's called Sofla...

Not him. He's been back for a while. He got a short ban under his new alias and limits his posting since he came back again. Still posts exactly the same way with the same attitude.

Stevie Moore's been leaning over to look at shots forever. MD among others, does it, too. I picked up on that method to keep my eye dominance from switching as I move into the shot, but that's another thread. Nothing new and nothing to do with Pro One.

Best,
Mike

 

[Banks]

I have produced more than enough evidence that CTE PRO ONE works ONLY for the pockets of a 2x1 table.

There will be a table manufacturer one day to step up and build an off dimension table.
So, you think it just works on any ol set up.

I have $25ooo that says a panel of judges will really like what I can explain and demonstrate on 2x 1 verses a gaffed up off dimension table only good for GB CP and fractions.

Stan Shuffett

Just because you can pocket a ball doesn't mean that the system is geometrically correct. I can pocket a ball, too. YOU made the claim, but have never backed it up with proof. You've had years to do so. It doesn't exist. And lol at your $25k attempt. Why don't you take that money and hire a mathematician or physicist. One cte person lost some money. Heck, you can put it on him against this league chump that hasn't learned to aim in nine years of playing. Unless, of course, your system doesn't work as claimed.

 

[JB Cases]

Just because you can pocket a ball doesn't mean that the system is geometrically correct. I can pocket a ball, too. YOU made the claim, but have never backed it up with proof. You've had years to do so. It doesn't exist. And lol at your $25k attempt. Why don't you take that money and hire a mathematician or physicist. One cte person lost some money. Heck, you can put it on him against this league chump that hasn't learned to aim in nine years of playing. Unless, of course, your system doesn't work as claimed.

You got action. I will be in your area later this year. PM me with what you want to do.

 

[stan shuffett]

Just because you can pocket a ball doesn't mean that the system is geometrically correct. I can pocket a ball, too. YOU made the claim, but have never backed it up with proof. You've had years to do so. It doesn't exist. And lol at your $25k attempt. Why don't you take that money and hire a mathematician or physicist. One cte person lost some money. Heck, you can put it on him against this league chump that hasn't learned to aim in nine years of playing. Unless, of course, your system doesn't work as claimed.

Change the pockets. Change the dimensions. Won't work then. Like it or not REAL CTE connects to 90 degree angles on a 2x1

I HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED ENOUGH EVIDENCE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Banks]

Change the pockets. Change the dimensions. Won't work then. Like it or not REAL CTE connects to 90 degree angles on a 2x1

I HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED ENOUGH EVIDENCE.

Stan Shuffett

Enough? Since when is no evidence enough to support a mathematical claim? I know the answer.. one word.. starts with N and ends with EVER.

I repeat, you've had years and can't support the claim. That's proof of something alright. I'm right that you're wrong.. unless you can prove otherwise. See how that works?

The method may help in finding the window, but it doesn't work as claimed. End of discussion unless you want to provide mathematical proof to your claim that it is geometrically correct.

 

[JB Cases]

Change the pockets. Change the dimensions. Won't work then. Like it or not REAL CTE connects to 90 degree angles on a 2x1

I HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED ENOUGH EVIDENCE.

Stan Shuffett

Stan, don't let these guys get to you. They won't understand ever. Just focus on the people who are viewing your videos. Those are the people who are eager to learn. Not the teeny tiny group on here.

The fact is that as Joey said and as you know it's possible to play decent pool and even great pool without learning any aiming system. We all know that. But we also know the pleasure of playing with a good one.

Don't sweat the people whose only aim in life is to knock. It's like knocking skydiving if you don't intend to ever try it. Only those who have experienced skydiving can speak about what it's like and how to do it, everyone else can only imagine what it is.

 

[stan shuffett]

Enough? Since when is no evidence enough to support a mathematical claim? I know the answer.. one word.. starts with N and ends with EVER.

I repeat, you've had years and can't support the claim. That's proof of something alright. I'm right that you're wrong.. unless you can prove otherwise. See how that works?

The method may help in finding the window, but it doesn't work as claimed. End of discussion unless you want to provide mathematical proof to your claim that it is geometrically correct.

Pool is visual/physical. I have produced a ton of info that REAL CTE ties into aim lines that connect to 90 degree angles on a 2x1 table. END OF STORY.

Stan Shuffett

 

[crabbcatjohn]

Question

Question, what is a 2x1 table? I've never heard that term before except in these threads. We have 9ft gold crowns at the local pool room. 2 of them are the same measurements. But there is a black GC that is 1" shorter and 1" narrower. These are inside the rail dimensions. So will CTE not work on these tables because the dimensions are different? Also Is a 2x1 a 5x10?

 

[bwally]

I have used CTE for a few months now and from my perspective it works as Stan says...

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[stan shuffett]

Question, what is a 2x1 table? I've never heard that term before except in these threads. We have 9ft gold crowns at the local pool room. 2 of them are the same measurements. But there is a black GC that is 1" shorter and 1" narrower. These are inside the rail dimensions. So will CTE not work on these tables because the dimensions are different? Also Is a 2x1 a 5x10?

2 x 1. Equals 4.5 x 9 and so on.

Stan Shuffett

 

[bwally]

Question, what is a 2x1 table? I've never heard that term before except in these threads. We have 9ft gold crowns at the local pool room. 2 of them are the same measurements. But there is a black GC that is 1" shorter and 1" narrower. These are inside the rail dimensions. So will CTE not work on these tables because the dimensions are different? Also Is a 2x1 a 5x10?

2x1 is a "ratio"...

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[crabbcatjohn]

2 x 1. Equals 4.5 x 9 and so on.

Stan Shuffett

Ok, got it. So if you were playing in a tournament would you measure the rails before you started play to make sure they were all 2x1 before using CTE? I play a lot of 1 pocket. I don't use aiming systems. I'm a B+ player. I seem to have a heck of a time playing on the Black GC that is 1" shorter and narrower than the others. I know this might sound strange but it looks BIGGER and shots look farther away to me than the others when i play on it. Any suggestions? Its not the cloth.

 

[lfigueroa]

You really shouldn't talk about thing you don't understand. As I remember it Roadie pointed out your considerable knocks and you could not handle the facts. Roadie never once insulted you, just pointed out the remarks you made.

Roadie was an account that was 100% allowed to be on AZB. Wilson abused his position to shut it down. Roadie never harmed a soul and never broke one single rule.

John, in the name of all things holy, please stop talking about yourself in the third person. You are scary enough without there being two of you.

Lou Figueroa