BEWARE OF Zhou8747 NON-PAYER
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Joe
Great cues. Great guys. Everybody going way out of their way to be gentleman about stuff.
Days gone by.
LOL
Kevin
I get that my expectations are very high, considering what this forum has devolved to.
I just hate to sell a cue out from someone that truly wants it, after they say they'll take it, but that is what I will need to do. Can't consider a deal, a deal anymore without having payment. (except of course with any of the good ole boys) I'll have to make the new guys earn that respect.
I miss not having to scroll through pages of crap to be able to find a nice cue, or a cool custom case.
Me too.
I also miss being able to comment about the history of a cue, or the maker, or the provenance, when a big cue is offered for sale. Sales of big cues used to be a sharing and learning experience for me.
I miss behavior that is motivated by respect.
Kevin
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And the rip-off artists were far and few between, and when spotted, were easily contained.
Please. Now its "against the rules" to post in a scam thread that its a scam.
LoL!! True dat!!
Anyway, why all the drama here? A nice looking Gina at a fair price will sell in under a week. If I remember the cue it was a 12A or similar. Those cues sell like hotcakes. Why B-B-Q Zhou? Why not just sell it to the next?
I agree that the deal is never done until the transaction is completed, and both parties are happy. Seems simple enough.
I have a very young neighbor who sees the world as good guys and bad guys.
Sorry if you felt some judgment on my part, I wasn't actually seeing you as a bad guy, I was wondering why you went to the trouble to start a thread about a guy that didn't pay you rather then just selling it someone who DID want it?
If the guys that are just on AZ to make buck would fly their business over to Ebay, we wouldn't have these disgruntled sellers.
On Ebay it's normal to go to the under-bidder in these situations, and it's not a big deal.
When this happens on AZ it creates more work for the guy trying to make a buck, but that's what happens on AZ vs. Ebay, you get what you pay for.
I'm sure you have a good reason why you sell everything on Ebay, by the book, less headaches, but it's not cheap either.
I sell the cues on eBay because that's what I do, sell stuff on eBay. I get that AZ and eBay are not the same place. I've had some great transactions with AZ guys and great transactions with eBay guys. Contrary to popular belief, there are eBay cue buyers who are NOT AZ members. Tate calls what I achieve with eBay no reserve auctions sales "street value". I prefer actual cash value.
What I don't get is all the vilification and character assassination threads that have become ever so popular here on AZ.
All the red repping, which wasn't good enough, now we have moved to negative iTrader. Are we all that angry? Why?
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Just commenting here as no body has said it yet.
In US business law, a contract is formed at acceptance of an offer. Offer is the ad, "I'll take it" is acceptance.
Non payment at this point is a breech of contract. Unless a penalty is specified, this usually just ends the contract.
If you want to "do it right", then state in your ad a time period for payment to be made after acceptance. Like 24 hours. Then just sell it to someone else after 24 hours is up if payment isn't made. If they pay after 24 hours, either accept it, or if you've sold to someone else by then just refund the payment.
This payment deadline just makes it clear when the sale is cancelled, and that people shouldn't make offers they can't fund.
Now, after reading this thread, I'm betting something's up with Zhou, and he's not a crook. The above US laws may not even apply here being an international transaction.
Strictly speaking, the OP is whining about a situation with no practical resolution. That's pretty much the case in US only deals, too. Pursuing any enforcement on a contract for anything less than $20k is just a waste of time and money, and stress for no reason.
I think the OP needs to thank his lucky stars that this is all he has to complain about...
In US business law, a contract is formed at acceptance of an offer. Offer is the ad, "I'll take it" is acceptance.
Non payment at this point is a breech of contract. Unless a penalty is specified, this usually just ends the contract.
If you want to "do it right", then state in your ad a time period for payment to be made after acceptance. Like 24 hours. Then just sell it to someone else after 24 hours is up if payment isn't made. If they pay after 24 hours, either accept it, or if you've sold to someone else by then just refund the payment.
This payment deadline just makes it clear when the sale is cancelled, and that people shouldn't make offers they can't fund.
Now, after reading this thread, I'm betting something's up with Zhou, and he's not a crook. The above US laws may not even apply here being an international transaction.
Strictly speaking, the OP is whining about a situation with no practical resolution. That's pretty much the case in US only deals, too. Pursuing any enforcement on a contract for anything less than $20k is just a waste of time and money, and stress for no reason.
I think the OP needs to thank his lucky stars that this is all he has to complain about...
Actually, you need much more than that for an enforcable contract:
1. A meeting of the minds
2. An offer and acceptance
3. Mutual Consideration (The mutual exchange of something of value)
4. Performance or Delivery
.......Good Faith, No violation of public policy, and more.....
As it has been said: "an oral contract is not worth the paper that it is written on..."
Joe
Consideration is the terms of the deal. The contract is formed at acceptance, and performance happens later. Just like I was saying...