BEWARE OF Zhou8747 NON-PAYER

[cueaddicts]

Negative feedback is there for a reason and Marcus you are dead on. When a Guy tells you I will take it and will send you a bank wire. That is a confirmed deal, as long as you let these people get by with a slap on hand they will continue to do the same thing. I have had a PM sent to me from a High regarded seller here on AZ that has talked with Zhou whthin the last couple of days. The reason he got from Zhou was he was hoping that I would forget about it. You people who thinks that is OK and does not warrant negative feedback live in a different world that I do.

I don't think I saw anyone say it's "OK". I don't think it's OK. It's just how some people are. There are people with honor, some with absolutely none, and some people fall in between. Having a slightly different opinion than you, doesn't make someone a bleeding heart.

Maybe I'll change my mind on this, but cluttering up the iTrader here with "non-deal info" could be a very slippery slope. I mean, where does it end? If a guy doesn't like your trade offer to take in his $850 Phillippi that he says he bought in 1998 for $3000+, is he justified in leaving you a negative itrader because he thinks you are low-balling him? Where does it end ?????

For the record, I have not any had deals with Zhou yet. He was interested in a few cues, but we could not come to terms on price. No harm, no foul.

 

[prewarhero]

2 scenarios to consider:

Let's assume for a moment we are all men of our word and if we commit to a deal we should complete it, or risk a negative itrader. Let's also assume we are amongst those that will take a cue back on return if the buyer notifies us right away and it is returned in the same condition as sent. They are now out of the deal. I would rather a buyer tell me they can't go through with the deal then the hassle of shipping and re-shipping the cue back and forth with the same end result. But hey, as some people had pointed out, at least the buyer avoided a negative itrader right? Silly. Not all deals go through. It happens and is an unavoidable part of "doing business", as are returns, complaints and mis-understandings.

Secondly, if we are going to begin leaving negative itraders for deals that did not complete, where do you we draw the line? It is a slippery slope to even begin such a policy. Leave Itraders for completed deals only!

 

[cuesblues]

The deal never happened because the buyer didn't do what he said he was going to. You don't feel, that people that take his word in the future should know that he has backed out on previous transactions?

I don't bully anyone into buying anything. As adults, they should make up their own mind and be fully prepared to follow through, before committing to purchase something.

Why should I have to put it in my listings that I expect people to stand behind what they say? Isn't it kinda sad that this forum/society has come to that?

Offers are not the same as someone saying, "I'll take it", or "consider it sold". I don't consider an offer solid, until the person that makes the offer tells me we have a deal. If I have a cue listed for 1k, and I get a PM with an offer of 900. I reply to that PM, and say it's yours for the 9 if you want it. To me, that is not a deal, until the guy that made the offer comes back and says, "cool, I'll take it". To me, at that point we have a deal, and if he backs out after that point, people that may deal with him in the future should know that he has backed out of a prior deal.

There are circumstances where things truly do come up, but most of the time it is BS stories about why they can't finish the deal.

You guys should be upfront and put you ****ing terms & conditions right in your signature, big bold print, DO NOT BACK OUT OF A DEAL WITH ME, I WILL KILL YOU

Marcus, you are losing sight of what made AZ popular in the first place, and I 'm a little surprised.
This cue collecting is a hobby for most people, not a business.
People have second thoughts, plus there are and always has been the forum bullies.

Here's an example, actually happened when I first got on AZ:

PM from me

Newbie me:: Does the Gina cue come with the Whitten case as shown?
Seller: No, but I'll drop the price $100, you pay shipping & Paypal fee's
Seller: Paypal funds to _______@Hotmail.com

I was lucky that didn't go public because the guy is a real jerk whiney ****, and you never know what he is going to cry about, plus he's wrong 75% of the time.
Should I of had to deal with the threat of a forum bully, and negative Itrader?
Did I back out of a deal?
I hope you guys do start this shit because I will be the good guy and sell more cues because of it.
You adjust your signature and I'll adjust mine

Peace
Ted

 

[nick serdula]

Marcus is the ultimate collector.

Jaw dropping Cues. If someone can leave me negative Itrader after not paying in a month then after giving him the time not pay again because he said I would not take his paypal even after being told in PM after PM I do not have paypal you people deserve whatever you get.
Real funny. Really hilarious. I am happy more people know me personally than read and care about my Itrade number. I consider it a joke and should put that in my signature along with Wanderlust's daedbeat name.
Nick

 

[cuesblues]

Jaw dropping Cues. If someone can leave me negative Itrader after not paying in a month then after giving him the time not pay again because he said I would not take his paypal even after being told in PM after PM I do not have paypal you people deserve whatever you get.
Real funny. Really hilarious. I am happy more people know me personally than read and care about my Itrade number. I consider it a joke and should put that in my signature along with Wanderlust's name.
Nick

There's the side I want to be on living in a world where Itrader ratings are worthless.
Pretty soon the buyer will have to qualify the seller if this keeps up.
"Send me pics & specs, along with an example of your organizational skills"

 

[cueaddicts]

Jaw dropping Cues. If someone can leave me negative Itrader after not paying in a month then after giving him the time not pay again because he said I would not take his paypal even after being told in PM after PM I do not have paypal you people deserve whatever you get.
Real funny. Really hilarious. I am happy more people know me personally than read and care about my Itrade number. I consider it a joke and should put that in my signature along with Wanderlust's daedbeat name.
Nick

Hey Nick, retarded crap like this is going to ruin this forum.

 

[asamimasa]

I actively participate in buy/sell forums of other forums of other hobbies. I've got 177 iTrader feedback equivalent in a camera forum, and I've dealt with easily more than twice times that in empty "I'll take it, tell me where to send payment!" type of PM's. It'd just create a whirlpool of tension and negativity to leave feedback for incomplete transactions.
Buyers would start leaving sellers negative feedback for not responding to PM's as well. And full PM inboxes would also become grounds for bad communication. Plus there's always going to be backlash from the person who was left negative feedback, with something like "I don't check forums that often/some other excuse, and ___ left me negative feedback before I even saw the PM."

edit: If you absolutely must vocalize your frustration with a non-payer, at worst leave neutral feedback so that the mark is there, people know if they look deep enough, and you're not equating it to a bait and switch level of poor business.

 

[JB Cases]

I think Marcus is referring to the days when men stood behind what they said, and words spoken (or typed) were "money" and not BS.

There has never been such a time. Throughout history you have always had some people who stand by their word regardless of the situation and others who play games.

It doesn't matter what era of history you look at you will find both classes of people.

To me when a person says they will take the item then that should be it. I have bought a few things on here where ten minutes after saying I would take it I was like what the hell did I do that for. Makes it harder to hit the send button on the money but I have always felt that if I say I will take it then that's that.

People simply don't value other people's time. You say you will take something then the other side thinks ok time to move on to the next phase and get this puppy ready to go. They cut off the selling portion and move to the completion portion.

Then if the buyer backs out they have to start all over again. That's just rude.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

You guys should be upfront and put you ****ing terms & conditions right in your signature, big bold print, DO NOT BACK OUT OF A DEAL WITH ME, I WILL KILL YOU

Marcus, you are losing sight of what made AZ popular in the first place, and I 'm a little surprised.
This cue collecting is a hobby for most people, not a business.
People have second thoughts, plus there are and always has been the forum bullies.

Here's an example, actually happened when I first got on AZ:

PM from me

Newbie me:: Does the Gina cue come with the Whitten case as shown?
Seller: No, but I'll drop the price $100, you pay shipping & Paypal fee's
Seller: Paypal funds to _______@Hotmail.com

I was lucky that didn't go public because the guy is a real jerk whiney ****, and you never know what he is going to cry about, plus he's wrong 75% of the time.
Should I of had to deal with the threat of a forum bully, and negative Itrader?
Did I back out of a deal?
I hope you guys do start this shit because I will be the good guy and sell more cues because of it.
You adjust your signature and I'll adjust mine

Peace
Ted

Swearing in your reply, will certainly not help get your point across.

Collecting is a hobby for me. I certainly wouldn't attempt to make a living selling cues.

IMO, people should have their first, second and third thoughts before telling a seller that they will take a cue. Not have a seller on the line for days, or weeks, or months before backing out. Like I said before, I have changed my approach and won't have to worry about this scenario anymore, I don't have the time for it. If I have not been paid, the item is still for sale.

The scenario you posted, is not at all what I am referring to. Not even close.
You asked a question, no where did you say you would take the cue. You made zero commitment to the purchase of the cue.
My issue is with guys that send a PM, that says "I'll take it", and then they just disappear. It happens a lot, and gets annoying.

I am sorry, but I will never find it acceptable, that people don't honor their word. I know it is naive of me to live that way, and that isn't how the world works, but I was raised with values.

 

[kvinbrwr]

There has never been such a time. Throughout history you have always had some people who stand by their word regardless of the situation and others who play games.

It doesn't matter what era of history you look at you will find both classes of people.

To me when a person says they will take the item then that should be it. I have bought a few things on here where ten minutes after saying I would take it I was like what the hell did I do that for. Makes it harder to hit the send button on the money but I have always felt that if I say I will take it then that's that.

People simply don't value other people's time. You say you will take something then the other side thinks ok time to move on to the next phase and get this puppy ready to go. They cut off the selling portion and move to the completion portion.

Then if the buyer backs out they have to start all over again. That's just rude.

The era of history I was referring to was all of 6 years ago and the place was AZ Billiards.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[JB Cases]

The era of history I was referring to was all of 6 years ago and the place was AZ Billiards.

Thanks

Kevin

I wasn't very active in the WFS section back then so I will defer to your experience.

 

[lfigueroa]

There has never been such a time. Throughout history you have always had some people who stand by their word regardless of the situation and others who play games.

It doesn't matter what era of history you look at you will find both classes of people.

To me when a person says they will take the item then that should be it. I have bought a few things on here where ten minutes after saying I would take it I was like what the hell did I do that for. Makes it harder to hit the send button on the money but I have always felt that if I say I will take it then that's that.

People simply don't value other people's time. You say you will take something then the other side thinks ok time to move on to the next phase and get this puppy ready to go. They cut off the selling portion and move to the completion portion.

Then if the buyer backs out they have to start all over again. That's just rude.

Just want to quote this for future reference.

Carry on.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

Just want to quote this for future reference.

Carry on.

Lou Figueroa

Buying a product and betting on a match are different. And to be clear you never took the deal. The deal was double the bet and freeze it all up which you didn't even acknowledge.

So suck it up - you and your backer SHOULD have had the cojones to lock it down when you had the four opportunites.

Nice to see that you are subscribed to every thing I write though. Chasing me around through the forum stalking me is how it's going to be now?

 

[cuesblues]

Swearing in your reply, will certainly not help get your point across.

Collecting is a hobby for me. I certainly wouldn't attempt to make a living selling cues.

IMO, people should have their first, second and third thoughts before telling a seller that they will take a cue. Not have a seller on the line for days, or weeks, or months before backing out. Like I said before, I have changed my approach and won't have to worry about this scenario anymore, I don't have the time for it. If I have not been paid, the item is still for sale.

The scenario you posted, is not at all what I am referring to. Not even close.
You asked a question, no where did you say you would take the cue. You made zero commitment to the purchase of the cue.
My issue is with guys that send a PM, that says "I'll take it", and then they just disappear. It happens a lot, and gets annoying.

I am sorry, but I will never find it acceptable, that people don't honor their word. I know it is naive of me to live that way, and that isn't how the world works, but I was raised with values.

After 25-years of ethics training I get it, but then again, I've had guys call me to say they want to buy a cue, and when I call back 5-minutes later they've already passed out.
Now the crashed out stoner can still go out and buy a cue from anybody, if he ever wakes up.
The beauty of sales is you can just yes or no, you're in control.
We're dealing with a bunch of pool players from cities I've never even heard of, so lets not inhibit an already delicate market.

 

[ga9ball]

South West

Hey Zhou you want to buy a SW? I have a few for sale.

Do you actually think a guy worth MILLIONS gives a crap if he did not buy your cue!

I sold Zhou his first 2 South West cues, and l will sell him more.
Thanks to Marcus for handling the escrow on the deal!

What the hell is for sale here any way?

Need any CHEESE with Your WINE?

AZ has become the the Cry Baby site, with nothing but complainers, and people looking for the old saying " Misery loves Company " attitude.

Buy the cue or don't buy it! Very simple!!!!!

I AM LOOKING FOR SOUTH WEST CUES!
CASH ON HAND!! Oh maybe l will RENEG!

 

[lfigueroa]

Buying a product and betting on a match are different. And to be clear you never took the deal. The deal was double the bet and freeze it all up which you didn't even acknowledge.

So suck it up - you and your backer SHOULD have had the cojones to lock it down when you had the four opportunites.

Nice to see that you are subscribed to every thing I write though. Chasing me around through the forum stalking me is how it's going to be now?

I believe this just goes to show how narcissistic you truly are, as another poster has already pointed out, lol.

There is a big issue at work here. Narcissism. The world revolves around you (John). You are never wrong, ever, and everyone is out to get you. The ego is so irrationally inflated, that all rationality, ability to reason, and common sense goes out the window. You would cut off your nose to spite your face because your ego demands it.

I scroll through the Wanted/For Sale Forum *every day.* I have bought and sold. This thread just caught my interest -- didn't even know you were posting in it.

Lastly, I also would like to point out I didn't say why I wanted to quote this for future reference -- feeling a little guilty, John?

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

I believe this just goes to show how narcissistic you truly are, as another poster has already pointed out, lol.



I scroll through the Wanted/For Sale Forum *every day.* I have bought and sold. This thread just caught my interest -- didn't even know you were posting in it.

Lastly, I also would like to point out I didn't say why I wanted to quote this for future reference -- feeling a little guilty, John?

Lou Figueroa

It's obvious why you want it. Not feeling guilty in the least.

 

[poolrod]

I hope Zhou is ok, so he can buy some more cues from us.

 

[lfigueroa]

It's obvious why you want it. Not feeling guilty in the least.

It's only "obvious" if somebody has weaseled on sumthin' lately ;-)

Lou Figueroa
who could that be?

 

[Bamacues]

The era of history I was referring to was all of 6 years ago and the place was AZ Billiards.

Thanks

Kevin

Ah...the good old days. It was every man for himself on bumping, and I don't recall the first Lucasi cue being offered back then. What fun it was, and what nice cues. Then AZB decided they had grown too large for that to continue, most of the participants from that era left, and we digressed to the place that we now find ourselves.....progress...

As for anyone believing that anyone can make a living from sales on AZB, even in the best of times, that is just BS.

Joe