Guns and Cues, Show us your Piece

macguy said:
I am not stereotyping just observing. I go to gun shows because I am sort of a gun person. Like I mentioned earlier I have a range in my back yard. When I was in the bar business I also had money on the street. People always wanted to get money on guns so I have had a zillion of them.

I have owned hundreds of guns from a Luger's to a Bar. By the way, we were out on the boat one day and my idiot brother in law sunk a bouy with it. I classify these camo guys when you are at the gun shows kind of like face painters you see at football games. They are desperate for an Identity. This is especially true if you know them. They come there playing a roll.

Sure they may be nice guys. They probably work in an office and are really nothing like the fake person they are playing at the gun show. It is just interesting. I remember when "Urban Cowboy" came out and all these people were walking around in cowboy hats. It is not that unusual for someone to seek an identity. That seems like what I see at the shows. Like I said, I am just observing.

As far as your last comment, most all people on SS and Medicare, (and this will include you) will take out everything they ever paid in and then some over not a very long time.. If they have any kind of illness this could even happen the first year they are eligible. So who are the people your comment is aimed at?

I was curious so I just went and looked it up. Today a person can expect to collect about 30% more then they paid into SS. Now if that person was to get sick, forget about it, there is no telling what they may get.
By the way if I am wrong about this please show me because I was just doing some quick reading.
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You do realize that SS is based on young tax paying citizens contributing to tak care of the older generation , you don't actually get YOUR money back
That 30 percent overage you speak of is based on people having kids to replace them in the workforce

With people having fewer kids, the system will not sustain itself
What are the latest estimates of SS solvency ?

I am 43 and will bet my life that I never draw out what I've put in
 
jay helfert said:
Agree wholeheartedly. I know that it take a .45 to knock a man down. What's really weird are the stories about guys who have been shot multiple times and still manage to kill the guy who shot them before they die. Many years ago, outside L.A., a cop shot a guy like five or six times with his .38 sidearm. The perp kept on coming, grabbed the cop and strangled him to death before he fell to the ground mortally wounded. I never forgot that story. But that's the rare exception, rather than the rule, thank God.

I also know that you should never display a gun unless you're ready to use it. It's no time to be bluffing! For the most part (like 95% of the time) once someone is shot (by any gun) they are ready to quit the fight. Almost every story I've ever heard of someone witnessing a shooting (and I've witnessed one as well) is that once they've been shot, the victim will give up the fight. They don't want any more.
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The sound of a shotgun shell being chambered is universally understood regardless of your native tongue...Just sayin.
 
From the front page of the ssa
Only stat that matters.....

Each year the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds report on the current and projected financial status of the two programs. This message summarizes the 2013 Annual Reports.

Neither Medicare nor Social Security can sustain projected long-run programs in full under currently scheduled financing, and legislative changes are necessary to avoid disruptive consequences for beneficiaries and taxpayers. If lawmakers take action sooner rather than later, more options and more time will be available to phase in changes so that the public has adequate time to prepare. Earlier action will also help elected officials minimize adverse impacts on vulnerable populations, including lower-income workers and people already dependent on program benefits.
 
Looks like a Korean style PCP (Pre-charged Pneumatic). Can't tell whether it's a Sam Yang, Shin Sung, or Sumatra as they all make repeating lever actions.

Mr. Wilson said:
Ok..we have guys who know a ton.

Anyone want a crack at this? ( if you've been to my house...zip it. )
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ElKabong said:
You do realize that SS is based on young tax paying citizens contributing to tak care of the older generation , you don't actually get YOUR money back
That 30 percent overage you speak of is based on people having kids to replace them in the workforce

With people having fewer kids, the system will not sustain itself
What are the latest estimates of SS solvency ?

I am 43 and will bet my life that I never draw out what I've put in
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No that 30% is the number. You will on the average collect $1.30 for every $1.00 you put in. That is current. If you retired in 1980 you would have collected $3.00 for every $1.00 you put in. And again if you have an illness you will most likely cost the system far more then you put in.

If you take like someone 90 years old. When they began collecting they were at the break-even point at like 7 years. People that age when they were younger only paid into SS as little as $4.00 a month. It was never meant to be a retirement fund, just a small safety net.

I am not making any judgments just telling you the numbers. I was wondering if old people were the freeloaders you were referring to since you will most certainly be one of them as well who should lose the right to vote? Unless you die early of course.

I don't know how they figure the solvency thing. It depends whose numbers you look at and you can't trust either. Heck, look how many people never collect because they die early or collect almost nothing because they don't live long past retirement. Those though depending on how they die, can eat up everything they put in and then some in no time.
End of life is the kicker.

People may use as much medical cost in the last 60 days on life as they have for the entire previous life since birth. There is the waste. When my mother died there was a bill for a pacemaker they put in her in the hospital the last day of her life. They put it in a dead person. Not to mention they stole her weddings off her hand in the hospital before she died. Her knuckles were huge from arthritis. Someone would have to have used a cutter to get them off and I guess someone did.

I am going to end this though because it has nothing to do with the guns and cues thread.
 
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Chicken_Blood said:
The sound of a shotgun shell being chambered is universally understood regardless of your native tongue...Just sayin.
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A local retired cop asked me a while back if my dad ever told me about saving his life. My dad was a volunteer fireman and one night was out with Shawn on patrol and his shift was about to end. He see's a car parked with it's hood up so he stops to help. As he approaches the front of the car the guy nearest to him pulls a gun catching him totally off guard, just as he see's the gun he hears dad rack a round in a 12 ga Mossberg. End of story, all three went to the ground. They didn't like hearing that shotgun shell in the pitch dark.
 
ctyhntr said:
Looks like a Korean style PCP (Pre-charged Pneumatic). Can't tell whether it's a Sam Yang, Shin Sung, or Sumatra as they all make repeating lever actions.
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Sumatra 2500?

First time I've ever heard of such a thing. I assume, not considered a firearm legally. Wild stuff!
 
Shin Sung.
The Koreans developed some interesting philosophies to get around restrictions we placed on them after the Korean war. ( no firearms ).

P.S. this rifle is also sub MOA accurate. I can do a 5 shot string .75 inch at 100 yards.
 
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In this country airguns are seen as toys; Daisy and Crosman. So, outside of paintball there isn't enough demand to warrant designing/making a good quality airgun. For high end stuff, Daisy and Crosman import and relabel foreign brands.

Some countries have restrictions on airguns. In the UK, anything over 12 foot/pounds requires a firearms certificates. As Mr. Wilson stated, Korea has very restrictive guns laws and these types of air guns were developed in response to civilian needs.

When I was a kid, I used the latest Beeman and Air Rifles HQ catalogs. Back then the most powerful airguns were either the Feinwerkbau 124, Diana 45, and they only shot 800 fps at at .177. The Korean Yewha shotgun (25 caliber), was supposedly more powerful than the german offerings, but were hard to find.

The newer generations from Korea are repeaters, and big bore (.38 and .50). I heard people hunting razorbacks with these.

TATE said:
Sumatra 2500?

First time I've ever heard of such a thing. I assume, not considered a firearm legally. Wild stuff!
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ctyhntr said:
In this country airguns are seen as toys; Daisy and Crosman. So, outside of paintball there isn't enough demand to warrant designing/making a good quality airgun. For high end stuff, Daisy and Crosman import and relabel foreign brands.

Some countries have restrictions on airguns. In the UK, anything over 12 foot/pounds requires a firearms certificates. As Mr. Wilson stated, Korea has very restrictive guns laws and these types of air guns were developed in response to civilian needs.

When I was a kid, I used the latest Beeman and Air Rifles HQ catalogs. Back then the most powerful airguns were either the Feinwerkbau 124, Diana 45, and they only shot 800 fps at at .177. The Korean Yewha shotgun (25 caliber), was supposedly more powerful than the german offerings, but were hard to find.

The newer generations from Korea are repeaters, and big bore (.38 and .50). I heard people hunting razorbacks with these.
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There is a video somewhere on YouTube of an air rifle shooting through a cast iron pot. I forget exactly what brand it was, but I found it when I was wanting a new toy that was quiet and cheap to shoot. Air rifles have come a long way.
 
ctyhntr said:
The newer generations from Korea are repeaters, and big bore (.38 and .50). I heard people hunting razorbacks with these.
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.177 , .20, .22 , .30 , .308 , .45 , .50 , .57(iirc) and even shotgun are the caliber available.

One on my list to get is the .308.
As mentioned, these are called PCP, Pre-Charged Pneumatic. This one operates at 200 BAR or about 3200PSI.
The .22 pictured will (depending on how many grain the round is, fire between 1550 FPS - 1300 FPS.

A neat thing about the .308 I want, it will be specialized. Rather than air, it will use Helium. Not a joke.
With some trigger work and aperture spring work...the muzzle velocity will be double what air does because of the fast transfer rate for HE. ( smallest molecule ) So this .308 would travel about 2000 FPS.

Without gunpowder.
 
Allen Brown said:
There is a video somewhere on YouTube of an air rifle shooting through a cast iron pot. I forget exactly what brand it was, but I found it when I was wanting a new toy that was quiet and cheap to shoot. Air rifles have come a long way.
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.....not quiet.

The one pictured has a report rather like a .22 long.

Distinct and loud.
 
Those who don't learn from history are condemn to repeat it. After the Filipine American war, the US Army switched to the 45 because the .38 were ineffective against the sword wielding Moro warriors. Even after empty their revolvers, they still ended being decapitated. The Marines ended up issuing leather collars to their troops.

jay helfert said:
Agree wholeheartedly. I know that it take a .45 to knock a man down. What's really weird are the stories about guys who have been shot multiple times and still manage to kill the guy who shot them before they die. Many years ago, outside L.A., a cop shot a guy like five or six times with his .38 sidearm. The perp kept on coming, grabbed the cop and strangled him to death before he fell to the ground mortally wounded. I never forgot that story. But that's the rare exception, rather than the rule, thank God.

I also know that you should never display a gun unless you're ready to use it. It's no time to be bluffing! For the most part (like 95% of the time) once someone is shot (by any gun) they are ready to quit the fight. Almost every story I've ever heard of someone witnessing a shooting (and I've witnessed one as well) is that once they've been shot, the victim will give up the fight. They don't want any more.
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macguy said:
I am not stereotyping just observing. I go to gun shows because I am sort of a gun person. Like I mentioned earlier I have a range in my back yard. When I was in the bar business I also had money on the street. People always wanted to get money on guns so I have had a zillion of them.

I have owned hundreds of guns from a Luger's to a Bar. By the way, we were out on the boat one day and my idiot brother in law sunk a bouy with it. I classify these camo guys when you are at the gun shows kind of like face painters you see at football games. They are desperate for an Identity. This is especially true if you know them. They come there playing a roll.

Sure they may be nice guys. They probably work in an office and are really nothing like the fake person they are playing at the gun show. It is just interesting. I remember when "Urban Cowboy" came out and all these people were walking around in cowboy hats. It is not that unusual for someone to seek an identity. That seems like what I see at the shows. Like I said, I am just observing.

As far as your last comment, most all people on SS and Medicare, (and this will include you) will take out everything they ever paid in and then some over not a very long time.. If they have any kind of illness this could even happen the first year they are eligible. So who are the people your comment is aimed at?

I was curious so I just went and looked it up. Today a person can expect to collect about 30% more then they paid into SS. Now if that person was to get sick, forget about it, there is no telling what they may get.
By the way if I am wrong about this please show me because I was just doing some quick reading.
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And if the monies taken from our pay over 40 to 50 years were properly managed and invested that 30% would not be a problem. Like a lot of people, I paid into SS for about 45 years and I also paid into a private pension plan at my work for 26 years. The contribution at work was a little more that half of the deduction for SS. The end result was my private pension allowed me to retire earlier than SS and pays a little more than
1 1/2 times the amount of SS and has a guaranteed cost of living increase. The difference is my pension was well managed and invested. In fact, so well so that for a period in the late 90s the employer was able to suspend the match because we were so overfunded. But congress just wants to play fast and loose with our money pay nothing for it's use.
 
poolhustler said:
Those air guns are incredible!!!
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I've got a Daisy Powerline 856 pump rifle. You pump that baby a dozen times and it will shoot a BB through half inch plywood. I used it to get rid of some large pesky crows that were scaring my grand daughter in my back yard. Not sure how dangerous they were, but when she was like two or three I saw one of them buzz her head. I heard that they will actually go for the eyeballs. Maybe some one knows better than me about that.

Anyway I was taking no chances because I babysat for her often and she loved to play in my enclosed back yard. I bought the air rifle, practiced with it a little (it shot high) and waited for the crows to return. Sure enough a few of them perched on a power line (ironic huh) behind my house while my grand daughter was playing outside. I chambered a BB, pumped it up and took dead aim from about 50'. Bingo, I got one on my first shot and all the others flew away. It hit him dead in the gut and he fell behind the fence between my house and the neighbor. I could see him laying there with his beak open, dying.

Pretty soon a bunch of crows hovered overhead making all kinds of racket. They were pissed about their buddy getting nailed. I took a few wild shots at them and they flew away. From that day on I've never seen a crow on my property. They are pretty smart birds and they know this is where one of them died.

P.S. Fatboy nailed one his property in Westwood with a rifle I loaned to him. He took a great picture holding the dead crow with wings outstretched. They are big birds! He told me the same thing, they put up a big ruckus that day and then never returned.
 
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Just a word of advice: Crows ( Corvids ) are often protected.

Be sure you can shoot them where you live.
 
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