yes Marc, this one was a True North Knives exclusive. Built like a tank!
Guns and Cues, Show us your Piece
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yes Marc, this one was a True North Knives exclusive. Built like a tank!
Damn....cant post pics of the Penisaurus .750 caliber Anti-Dinosaur rifle then...:grin-square:
Since it's opened up to knives...here's one to keep it on topic.
Herb Derr custom Damascus with an Oosik handle
Oosik is another term for whale penis........BOOM segue'd the sh*t outta that one!
That Derr is the nicest knife I have ever seen! I love me some Damascus Steele. I'll give you my left leg for it. LOL. :thumbup:
{quote]Those are incredible.[/quote]
Yes they are. The knife can easily field dress any big game. Gut Hook and skin.
The way the curve or drop is on the blade, it looks like it doesn't come to a complete point so you could gut an animal and not worry about poking any innards with it.
Yes they are. The knife can easily field dress any big game. Gut Hook and skin.
The way the curve or drop is on the blade, it looks like it doesn't come to a complete point so you could gut an animal and not worry about poking any innards with it.
That is true, but for self defense you should have something that is a man stopper. You never want to have to shoot anyone but a the circumstance that would actually result in such a response, you want to win.
People shot with small calibers have been known to not even know they were shot. President Reagan is an example. It was not till they were in the car they found he had been shot. Someone with a heavy jacket or winter clothing may also lessen the impact.
In other words, if the worst case scenario happens you have to be committed to what may be the results of your action. You don't want to get stabbed or even shot by someone you have already killed but they just don't know it yet. I am not even that crazy about 9 mm. I think a lot of guys feel more confident because of the number of rounds they are carrying. There is certainly something to be said for the ability spray off a bunch of rounds but some prefer more stopping power.
I remember being at a seminar and hear a girl talking about wanting to get a carry permit. She actually said she just wanted the gun for self defense, she would never shoot anybody or anything.
How do you reconcile those two statements? I think that is sometimes the feelings of people who want to carry like a 25 or a 32 just to have something. The guns may just seem less like a gun to them and make them feel less like someone who could kill if they had to.
There are a lot of opinions on the subject or caliber. The last 30 or so years the military have gone from the 45 to the 9 mm as a sidearm. I think the Beretta 92f that I bet a lot of guys on here own.
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In his study of firearm related incidences, Professor Lott determined that the mere existence of a firearm in a violent confrontation ended the situation without a shot ever being fired in 98% of all cases.
http://www.johnlott.org/
Maniac
May be true but what about the 2% where it didn't. I don't think just carrying a gun with the hope of scaring someone is a very good strategy. At what point does the person produce the gun? Because if it has reached the point where someone feels the need to pull a gun things have already gotten pretty hairy.
My original point was, and it would go along with what you are saying. If you have to have a gun, have one that can truly protect you. You will get the same effect you are talking about and maybe never have to fire a shot, but in the other 2 % that you point out, you want a gun that can protect you.
Just as an added note, in many states just producing the gun is going to get you locked up. I read in at least one state, simply pointing a gun at someone is considered first degree felony assault, punishable by 10-25 years in prison. So walking around flashing a gun and threatening someone with a gun every time you get nervous is a bad idea.
So back to my original comments like a zillion posts ago. Carrying a gun is serious business and one needs to really think about if it is for them. It is not a game and as much protection as one may think it provides them, it can also get them in real trouble.
Here is an example of what I am talking about. This guy just walked around with a gun in his pocket all the time like carrying his keys. He thought nothing of it. He killed a man over nothing. I bet he wishes he had never seen or owned that gun. Not to mention the family of the man he killed for nothing. Of course we also have movie theater shooting. One guy shooting another over a man using a cell phone.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20130117/NEWS/130119399
By the way, I was not able to open your link. I assume although I was not able to read it, the study is dealing with rational people. Domestic stuff, robberies and so on. What about a psychotic or someone on drugs. There are police shooting all the time where some nut case with a knife or bat goes at the cops regardless of the fact they have like 4 cops with guns trained on them.
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Agree wholeheartedly. I know that it take a .45 to knock a man down. What's really weird are the stories about guys who have been shot multiple times and still manage to kill the guy who shot them before they die. Many years ago, outside L.A., a cop shot a guy like five or six times with his .38 sidearm. The perp kept on coming, grabbed the cop and strangled him to death before he fell to the ground mortally wounded. I never forgot that story. But that's the rare exception, rather than the rule, thank God.
I also know that you should never display a gun unless you're ready to use it. It's no time to be bluffing! For the most part (like 95% of the time) once someone is shot (by any gun) they are ready to quit the fight. Almost every story I've ever heard of someone witnessing a shooting (and I've witnessed one as well) is that once they've been shot, the victim will give up the fight. They don't want any more.
This video is a few years old but having a gun trained on this man didn't help in this case. The cop was killed.
This is is a bit graphic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc
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This is a sad video. Hard to watch.
Here is some background on the whole event.
Police have studied this video as a training device. I believe the cop retreating was his mistake. You notice the combat vet closed the distance and came in firing.
If the cop had done the same thing before he even had a chance to get the long gun out of the truck I think he would still be alive. As soon as the cop saw the gun he went backwards probably trying to use the car to hide behind. At that point it was to late he was over run and out gunned. I am guessing he was probably shooting a 9 mm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kyle_Dinkheller
A friend of one of my best friends was a spook for the agency during Viet Nam and through the 70's, as we were watching a movie one night there was a spook in the movie with a silenced 9mm. He laughed and said that he always used a 22cal with 22shorts. A 9mm is good if you have multiple targets but for up close stuff that 22 short has enough to go thru the skull and then just bounces around.
and to keep it pool related -
i hadn't been at Break Time for almost 2 yrs, but a member since 1989. many new faces; some old. new bartender, former police detective. as a single mom, i kept to myself; shooting for hours & drinking Coke & tipping well.
the bartender always kept an eye on me, cause i was the only woman. one night, a group of new guys rolled-in.... young, seedy-looking. they got on a table, 2 over from me @ the front corner. they got rowdy - like they owned the joint. i had one eye on them, one eye on the bartender, and one on my pocketbook.
as their obnoxious, belligerent behavior continued, i could sense that he was going to kick them out. he was strolling the bar & constantly watching them. i walked up to him, and leaned over, and said: "i've got your back. there's a .357 in my pocketbook & a switchblade in my back pocket."
to which, he slightly whipped each of his out from under his shirt, and said: "thanks".
i haven't paid table time, since.
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i would like to share a personal story with you .
it all started one morning when i was backing out of the drive way headed to work. some thing compelled me to pull back up in the driveway get out of the truck and go back in the house. i went back in and went to my bedroom and took my pistol out of the night stand drawer. i took all the bullets out of the clip and put the clip back in the pistol and placed it back in the drawer. i then put the shells back in the box in the gun safe. my g/f was still asleep and unaware of what i did and i went on to work.
that evening i had a soft ball game i was playing in. my daughter pulls up in the parking lot with tires screeching yelling for me. she told me i had to come home as there was trouble there. it did not take me long to get the 1/2 mile to my house.
it turns out that a neighbors son was high on crack and had had a run in with my son at our house. my ex-wife who was there visiting my kids had tried to intervene and this kid had a death grip on her neck trying to choke her. my g/f tried to get him off and was unsuccesfull. both women are 5' and 100 pounds soaking wet. this kid was 6'2 and 220 pounds.
my g/f took off into the bedroom and grabbed my pistol which she knew i kept there fully loaded. she put the gun up to his temple and told him to let my ex-wife go. he just backhanded my g/f knocking her down. by that time my ex-wife was unconcious and he still had not let go. my g/f puts the pistol up to his head pulling the trigger several times not knowing i had un loaded it that morning.
my g/f then goes into the house getting one of my softball bats and starts wailing on him. he finally let my ex wife go and he took off.. thats when i pulled up. i go to the neighbors house and nobody is home.
well a few hours go by and we go to bed. 2:00 in the morning i hear a loud bang. i jump and grab my pistol which i had reloaded and run to the front door which this boy had come back and kicked in. at the same time i get to the door this boys dad comes running up and grabbing the kid and begging me not to shoot the kid
i hand my pistol to my g/f and me and the boys dad wrestle him to the ground. we hold him until the cops come . turns out the kid and his dad has just got back from the hospital where they put a cast on his arm from where my g/f broke it with the bat.
the boy is sent off to rehab and later on him and my son became real good friends. he was always leery of my g/f though. said she was a bad ass woman lol.
to this day i can't explain why i went back in the house and emptied my pistol that morning. never done it before or since that day, i do know that if i had not emptied that boy would have been dead that night.
it all started one morning when i was backing out of the drive way headed to work. some thing compelled me to pull back up in the driveway get out of the truck and go back in the house. i went back in and went to my bedroom and took my pistol out of the night stand drawer. i took all the bullets out of the clip and put the clip back in the pistol and placed it back in the drawer. i then put the shells back in the box in the gun safe. my g/f was still asleep and unaware of what i did and i went on to work.
that evening i had a soft ball game i was playing in. my daughter pulls up in the parking lot with tires screeching yelling for me. she told me i had to come home as there was trouble there. it did not take me long to get the 1/2 mile to my house.
it turns out that a neighbors son was high on crack and had had a run in with my son at our house. my ex-wife who was there visiting my kids had tried to intervene and this kid had a death grip on her neck trying to choke her. my g/f tried to get him off and was unsuccesfull. both women are 5' and 100 pounds soaking wet. this kid was 6'2 and 220 pounds.
my g/f took off into the bedroom and grabbed my pistol which she knew i kept there fully loaded. she put the gun up to his temple and told him to let my ex-wife go. he just backhanded my g/f knocking her down. by that time my ex-wife was unconcious and he still had not let go. my g/f puts the pistol up to his head pulling the trigger several times not knowing i had un loaded it that morning.
my g/f then goes into the house getting one of my softball bats and starts wailing on him. he finally let my ex wife go and he took off.. thats when i pulled up. i go to the neighbors house and nobody is home.
well a few hours go by and we go to bed. 2:00 in the morning i hear a loud bang. i jump and grab my pistol which i had reloaded and run to the front door which this boy had come back and kicked in. at the same time i get to the door this boys dad comes running up and grabbing the kid and begging me not to shoot the kid
i hand my pistol to my g/f and me and the boys dad wrestle him to the ground. we hold him until the cops come . turns out the kid and his dad has just got back from the hospital where they put a cast on his arm from where my g/f broke it with the bat.
the boy is sent off to rehab and later on him and my son became real good friends. he was always leery of my g/f though. said she was a bad ass woman lol.
to this day i can't explain why i went back in the house and emptied my pistol that morning. never done it before or since that day, i do know that if i had not emptied that boy would have been dead that night.
forgive me if this has already been said but I have no chance to read this entire thread but wanted to say:
as I write, this thread is just 4 days old.
It's had over 10,250 views
and has over 350 responses
Conclusion: don't fvk with pool players.
best,
brian kc
as I write, this thread is just 4 days old.
It's had over 10,250 views
and has over 350 responses
Conclusion: don't fvk with pool players.
best,
brian kc
I have heard that from "professionals" as well. Behind the ear, like the roach motel, once it checks in, it never checks out.
It just makes scrambled eggs.
YIKES
Ken
New York and Tennessee stick out in my head...
There was a thread in NPR a while back about it. Someone with a Tennessee CCW came up to NY, and had their pistol confiscated because the Tennessee CCW wasn't recognized in NY. While I don't remember all the specifics, something in the thread title about NY'ers being 'careful' if they come down to Tennessee.
It might have been Sev that started the thread
Mickey <--- Lives in NY, went to Tennessee for a week... :thumbup:
EDIT: Not sure if this is what you were looking for, Jaden, but...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=261150&highlight=Tennessee
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It is horrific. I can't imagine what it must have been like for the cop. His little side arm running out of ammo and a professional combat vet advancing on him with an M-1 (that is what the guy had) dodging back and forth and firing. The guy had been hit by the way in the belly, about the only shot the cop fired that hit anything the rest went wild but it didn't matter.
A gun is best against someone who is not armed otherwise the outcome is not certain. The fact that the guy was driving around with a loaded M-1 under his seat with extra ammo ( he reloaded once) shows his mind set. I am sure he has fantasized and played out this kind of scenario in his head a thousand times.
Here is where it gets really hairy regarding gun owners. A vast majority are responsible gun owners.
But then you have the fringe that border on the nut cases and there are a lot of them. They pack a gun every day almost praying for the opportunity to use it. Look at the militiamen types that showed up at that guys ranch a few weeks ago. They didn't care about any real issues they just wanted the chance to play out a fantasy. They dream about it every day.
All you have to do is cruse some of the gun forums and there are a thousand of them and listen to the conversation. They go nuts about the second amendment and say all kinds of crazy things. They have a thing called EDC every day carry. They love to go on and on about what they carry. Multiple guns a load of ammo like they are going to war and not to Home Depot. They move about in an alternate reality and are capable of anything.
Even the NRA that I used to be a member of, I may still be I don't know used to be a group that taught kid and adults how to be a responsible gun owner. Today they sound like a bunch or radicals nut cases. They make irrational arguments that are so bizarre and out there you almost feel embarrassed for them, how did they ever come to this. They actually feed the frenzy of nut cases as the make millions off them.
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Very educational. I've never felt the need to carry a gun (except during the L.A. riots, when I had to go into the riot area).
I've only had one incident involving a gun.
This was back in the early 1980's. A teenager who lived with his family across the street from me, Alex, had some problems. He had broken into a few homes in the area (including mine) and was part of a group of teenagers (the others were good kids and I was friendly with them and their family). Alex was slow to develp, had speech and reading problems etc. His family more or less ignored his problems.
Well, a pretty nasty guy down the street, Larry, had his home burglarized. I had just come home from work and asked about it as I drove by. Alex walked over to my house as I was pulling in and asked me what was going on. I was talking about it with Alex and Alex was very nervous that he would get blamed. We were standing in front my garage when suddenly Larry pushed me aside from behind (I fell down) and he began was choking Alex on my car hood. I got up and pulled Larry off. He tried to swing at me and I straight armed him with an open palm once hard in the chest. It knocked the wind out of him and he couldn't breathe. Alex ran home and the police showed up and escorted Larry home.
Later that night, I got a call from Larry's neighbor's, the Sullivan's, who were a nice family with 6 children, ranging from small girls to teenagers. The teenagers hung around with Alex. Their daughter, Julie, called me and said Larry was throwing pebbles at their window from next door and screaming insults at them. They had called the police but the police wouldn't do anything. The police did warn the Sullivan's that Larry might be dangerous so they might want to leave. She asked if the family could come over to my house. I said I would come over there and see if I could calm Larry down.
So I walked over, the family was sitting around their dining table in almost total darkness except a few candles. The small kids were crying. I could hear Larry's taunts and hear the pebbles. The family was scared and the police weren't helping. I figured the police would just set this guy off more and he needed to be reasoned with and defused.
In perhaps the dumbest move of my life, I walked outside and tried to talk to Larry over the block wall. He recognized me and pulled a gun and stuck right it in my face.
I ignored the gun and stayed calm and said " Larry, you got burglarized today. Alex burglarized my home several times in the past. We need to get together and figure out what we're going to do about it."
He said "he burglarized you too?" I said "yep, can I come over?"
I spent the next several hours talking with Larry and his wife at their house. I could tell his own family was afraid of him. When I left, we exchanged phone numbers, and decided to start a neighborhood watch, and we decided to meet with Alex's family.
Alex did straighten out. The kid needed direction and piece by piece, he eventually got the tools to make his own life, a car, a job, a wife. When Larry sold his home the following year, the entire neighborhood was relieved. Julie, the teenager who called me, eventually worked for me and became an LAPD detective. I just heard from her, she's retired now.
When it comes right down to it, I really don't want to view the world in a way that says I need to carry a gun.
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