Pool Celebrity or Active Pool Pro?

Pool Celebrity or Active Pool Pro or Other

  • Pool Celebrity

    Votes: 19 30.2%
  • Active Professional Pool Player

    Votes: 35 55.6%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 9 14.3%

  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .

JAM

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An invitational is an invitational is an invitational. It truly does not matter what the public thinks should be the selection criteria. The promoter calls all the shots, to include the rules that will be used in play.

In times gone by, I have observed than many of the ESPN matches are based on a pro player's celebrity status, more so than the strength of their game. IOW, the number-one pro player in the world may not make the cut, and a well-known pool celebrity like, hypothetically speaking, Minnesota Fats would make the cut.

Which do you think is better for pool to be on display in mainstream America today? This is a private poll, so lurkers can feel free to vote. :)
 
I don't like it, but America is always looking up to celebrities. Its an obsession with a lot of people. They will pay money to see the ones they put up on a pedestal instead of someone else that might deserve to be there....because they are lesser known. If I had my way, the ones that earned it would be the ones getting the shot. But these are the times we live in.
 
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I don't like it, but America is always looking up to celebrities. Its an obsession with a lot of people. They will pay money to see the ones they put up on a pedestal instead of someone else that might deserve to be there....because they are lesser known. If I had my way, the ones that earned it would be the ones getting the shot. But these are the times we live in.

I totally understand your thoughts. It is as if we have three categories today: celebrity, active pros, and up-and-coming or aspring young pro pool players.

Previously, it's been pool purists vs. action enthusiasts, but I think the times are a-changin'.
 
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I never thought I would say this, but I went with Pool celebrity. If the non Pool playing public is drawn into it the TV people will go with it. Pool needs more exposure.
 
I never thought I would say this, but I went with Pool celebrity. If the non Pool playing public is drawn into it the TV people will go with it. Pool needs more exposure.

Brandon Shuff made FB post the other day about hoping to see a speed pool competition come to the fore. Canadian Luc Salvas, a strong player, won a televised speed pool competition in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

We all know the trick shot artists are quite popular with mainstream media. I am particularly enamored with this new kid on the block, Florian Kohler. He definitely has a brighter future than today's pro players, I think.

Mosconi Cup is going in the direction of cultivating the youth and giving them a chance to step up to the plate, which is very admirable, but does it make for good viewing on mainstream TV? Time will tell. I always thought Mosconi Cup was more of a made-for-TV competition than a who's-the-best-of-the-best competition.
 
I never thought I would say this, but I went with Pool celebrity. If the non Pool playing public is drawn into it the TV people will go with it. Pool needs more exposure.

I know how you feel. Its sad that's its like this.

Brandon Shuff made FB post the other day about hoping to see a speed pool competition come to the fore. Canadian Luc Salvas, a strong player, won a televised speed pool competition in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

We all know the trick shot artists are quite popular with mainstream media. I am particularly enamored with this new kid on the block, Florian Kohler. He definitely has a brighter future than today's pro players, I think.

Mosconi Cup is going in the direction of cultivating the youth and giving them a chance to step up to the plate, which is very admirable, but does it make for good viewing on mainstream TV? Time will tell. I always thought Mosconi Cup was more of a made-for-TV competition than a who's-the-best-of-the-best competition.

Mosconi cup has everything "made for tv". Its fairly quick paced, and the fans really spice it up for sure!
 
A good promoter can turn the best into celebrities... or anyone they choose to promote for that matter.
 
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The logistics of running successful large open tournaments appear to be too difficult to be worth the trouble, much less to be profitable for those running them.

When you factor in the current environment regarding those who play pool, in theory for a living, its made such tournaments too difficult to consider.

That's my opinion, based solely on what I read and hear. I have no real world perspective on whats truly involved. I can, however, imagine the basic bottom line issues regarding logistics. That doesn't involve personalities or organizations or any trends. To rent a room, to truck in tables, hang lights, all that goes with that, is an amazing undertaking in and of itself. Add in managing people, including the performers, and its gotta be a thankless undertaking, in 2014.

Perhaps that will change, in the future. Maybe if the invitationals are successful, it may lead to expanding the tournaments, and evolve into more traditional styled tourneys. All I know is that any event needs to be successful, else why bother doing it?
 
i chose other. you need a talented player with a following. and players who play fast enough to not make people yawn. im a pool fan and i watch matches all the time, i often get bored watching most guys. thats why earl was such a force, hes still fun to watch.
 
Whatever the promoter wants and feels will turn a profit and make some players happy. If the players don't like it, they won't come. If the fans/PPV don't like it they won't go or won't buy PPV. JT
 
i chose other. you need a talented player with a following. and players who play fast enough to not make people yawn. im a pool fan and i watch matches all the time, i often get bored watching most guys. thats why earl was such a force, hes still fun to watch.

This is a good point and why pool hasn't seemed to have risen in popularity in mainstream TV broadcasts.

I have always been an advocate for pool needing a personality and emotion, more so than robotic emotionless players. I am a most definitely a pool fan, but I can't stand watching robotic pool in person or on TV. I'd rather be doing something else.

In this regard, it sure would be swell if there was a way to marry up talented players and emotion. I think if mainstream American were to hear a brief background bio of the player, it might be inviting to hold their attention and give them a thirst to learn more.

As well, definitely need the 30-second shot clock. Nobody wants to watch a player take 2 and 3 minutes a shot. Yuck!
 
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Brandon Shuff made FB post the other day about hoping to see a speed pool competition come to the fore. Canadian Luc Salvas, a strong player, won a televised speed pool competition in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

We all know the trick shot artists are quite popular with mainstream media. I am particularly enamored with this new kid on the block, Florian Kohler. He definitely has a brighter future than today's pro players, I think.

Mosconi Cup is going in the direction of cultivating the youth and giving them a chance to step up to the plate, which is very admirable, but does it make for good viewing on mainstream TV? Time will tell. I always thought Mosconi Cup was more of a made-for-TV competition than a who's-the-best-of-the-best competition.

The Pool world in some shape or form needs to take advantage of Florian he has a Flare and Star quality about him that will draw people in. I am not a fan of trick shot pool but I am a fan of Florian, he could be a Super star.
 
The Pool world in some shape or form needs to take advantage of Florian he has a Flare and Star quality about him that will draw people in. I am not a fan of trick shot pool but I am a fan of Florian, he could be a Super star.

I said this exact thing ,, he brings cool to pool
I'm a big fan of personality in pool ,, however it's hard to bring it to the forefront in tourney play where it could effect other matches ,, that's where the problem is
My favorite place to watch pool by far was the pit at the SBE
That was reality pool at its finest and I believe very marketable


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In this regard, it sure would be swell if there was a way to marry up talented players and emotion. I think if mainstream American were to hear a brief background bio of the player, it might be inviting to hold their attention and give them a thirst to learn more.

This is exactly what pro pool needs.( right after a proper tour is organized)

It would cost a little more than simply filming matches, but as anyone can see by the vast number of reality TV shows out there, a good production and marketing crew can turn even the most mundane of jobs into an interesting bit to watch when they delve into the peoples personality, rather than simply dwelling on the job itself. Duck Dynasty, Gold Rush, Pawn Stars, Filthy Riches, etc etc....are all examples of this.

I was watching some Olympic coverage one day when an event came on that I had never heard of : downhill slalom snowboarding. Who knew? Anyway, it was time for the final medal run for those left in rankings, but rather than just showing their attempts at a medal and calling it a day, they showed a ten minute "back story" segment about one of the contenders.

It was an American kid who, in the process of trying to qualify for the American team, could never seem to place higher than 5th, so they ultimately dropped him from the team, which understandably was a huge let down considering how much time and effort that one puts into getting into the Olympics at all.

But the story didn't end there. The kid had fallen in love with a Russian girl, who also happened to compete in the same event. So he ends up moving to Russia, getting married, and eventually qualifying for the Russian team to compete in the event he had spent so much time training for in the u.s.

The tables had indeed turned and now he was competing against his former team mates. Quite the ironic twist.

Long story short, the kid makes his final run and wins the gold. His new wife takes a medal as well...and it was the first husband wife medalist combo on record.

My point is this:

Ten minutes prior, I had no idea who this kid was, and couldn't have cared less about his personal struggles. But when the back story was over, I was on the edge of my seat rooting for him to win. And all it took was ten minutes to give me a reason to get behind him. Hell, he wasn't even an American anymore but I wanted him to get gold and tell his former coach " how do you like me now?? "

Ten minutes and I was totally emotionally invested in the outcome. That's all it took, and they didn't teach me a dam thing about learning how to snowboard - it was all about the kid and what he went thru to get there, and what his win would mean.

Pool fans needs this kind of connection, and emotion, and they won't get it watching the basic streamed match. The production and marketing of PEOPLE needs to move to the forefront of professional pool or else the fans simply don't care who wins....its just two guys playing a game.
 
Well said Mr.Bond.

I wouldn't say we need celebrities, which always has a negative connotation to me. I picture Kim Kardashian playing pool wth Snooki.

The way I would phrase it is that we need entertaining players, players with personalities. Alex and Rodney are entertaining because they have fun while they play. Earl is entertaining because of his massive ego. SVB is entertaining just because he's so damn smooth when he plays. Etc. And all of those guys have interesting stories in their personal lives in one way or another. As Mr. Bond says, if people got to know them they'd like to watch them play.
 
Can't believe nobody has pointed this out yet.

The first option in the poll might as well have said "the easter bunny". There's no such thing as a pool celebrity in this country.

If people watched pool, the best players would become celebrities. Or at least, the most animated among the best players. If people watched pool.

-Andrew
 
I voted "Other" because "Pool Celebrity" is an oxymoron.

Who among pro pool players could possibily be called a celebrity? I can't think of one. They're not even known by regular, league pool players.
 
I had to go with "Pool Celebrity" just because I have lots of friends that don't follow pool but they recognize the names of Jeanette Lee, Allison Fisher, Earl Strickland to name a few. But if pool were on TV more then many people would become familiar with other players.
 
I had to go with "Pool Celebrity" just because I have lots of friends that don't follow pool but they recognize the names of Jeanette Lee, Allison Fisher, Earl Strickland to name a few. But if pool were on TV more then many people would become familiar with other players.

That is *exactly* right and what I meant by "pool celebrity." Ewa Mataya Laurence is a pool celebrity, as another example.

I do realize, however, that the hatred for professional pool players is so strong right now in this era of American pool that some would never deem any of the names you mentioned as a pool celebrity, sad to say. :(
 
Pool Celebrity

I often have phone calls to and from the Phillipines.

When I do, I always ask, "like a stupid American", "Do you know Efren Reyes?" That is a great icebreaker and I have NEVER had someone not recognize who he is, and what he does.

I always say he is the best pool player I have ever seen. (Of course they agree)

So are there any pool celebrities? Yep.

Efren Reyes is truly a pool celebrity in the PI.

Kne
 
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