1p- what's the shot? I am stumped

Black-Balled said:
I tried to shoot the 3 off the 10 and stick cb on the 4.
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That was my first instinct as well which means you have terrible instincts.

Or a similar shot on the 2, since that angle makes it easier to stop the cue ball
since the rail doesn't block the bottom of the ball as much. Freeze whitey on the...
guess that red ball is the 7. Who knows, maybe the 2 caroms off the 12 and
knocks the hanger away, or makes it.

Or maybe you give him 2 hangers, that's ideal :/
 
Cory in DC said:
If I may quote myself: "The headrail foul is ok, but if you leave a small gap off the rails, there are returns that could really increase the pain. E.g., (1) shoot the the 13-9, bring the cue between the 6 and 15, and run out; (2) shoot the 11-9 or 11-14-9, depending on the angle, and bring the cue to the other side of the stack."

Nice to see someone test the theories and advance the discussion.

I guess that the real answer is that if you break perfect, you'll probably win the game.

Cory
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It is an intimidating situation when you take the time to set it up. I still like taking the foul and letting him shoot the long combo. A solid break is a big advantage in one pocket, so if you have the choice between giving/getting a ball in one pocket or giving/getting breaks I certainly would take the breaks over a ball and give up a ball way before giving up the breaks. Now would people take 9/7 or the breaks in one pocket, remember half the time the break is yours anyway and coupled with 9/7 it is a nice handicap.
 
Fast Lenny said:
It is an intimidating situation when you take the time to set it up. I still like taking the foul and letting him shoot the long combo. A solid break is a big advantage in one pocket, so if you have the choice between giving/getting a ball in one pocket or giving/getting breaks I certainly would take the breaks over a ball and give up a ball way before giving up the breaks. Now would people take 9/7 or the breaks in one pocket, remember half the time the break is yours anyway and coupled with 9/7 it is a nice handicap.
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Yeah, I would certainly not want to step to the table and have to respond to that break every game.

I do know what to do now though, send cb to end rail, right where that piece of chalk is.

I do have a question about that though: what if the chalk moves?

:grin: I will still take 8-5, Leonard. Bet da moon.
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I know what to do...

I would play intentional foul hit the 3ball and freeze to the 4 and 7. Now try to figure out what they would do...
 
Black-Balled said:
I don't like it;)

Return shot is a roll into the side of the 5, carom into striped ball and let cb roll to bottom rail, then back up behind stack and under the 11.
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But you live to shoot another day - and you will definitely have a chance to be in a better position.

-td
 
Black-Balled said:
You guys rock...a friggin smorgass bored of replies!

I tried to shoot the 3 off the 10 and stick cb on the 4. The three was directed to carom into the 8 and move some nuggets to my side.

cb trickled forward though and I left a shot. Good news is that I was playing with myself:eek: and ran 8 out from there.

It was a damn good break, I wish I broke like that more often.

An for le record: I choose Lenny's shot next time. Super simple and executable 90%, IMO. Especially on my own table.

Thanks again.
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If you shoot Lenny's shot you set your self to be left rough again.. easy safe from there for the opponent clipping the left side of the rack to stick u wherever he wants
 
btown said:
If you shoot Lenny's shot you set your self to be left rough again.. easy safe from there for the opponent clipping the left side of the rack to stick u wherever he wants
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td873 said:
But you live to shoot another day - and you will definitely have a chance to be in a better position.

-td
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Lenny's shot leaves a far tougher reply than playing into the r) side-as seen from shooter's perspective- of th 5. To thin a ball from 8' away is far harder than hitting a side of a ball from same distance.

Edit- now that I consider the thin response, he could only thin the 3, 2 or 5. They would all result in cb being loft down table...improving your position immensely...unless he snugs you up to the 6, which is super tough, from up north.
 
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Black-Balled said:
Lenny's shot leaves a far tougher reply than playing into the r) side-as seen from shooter's perspective- of th 5. To thin a ball from 8' away is far harder than hitting a side of a ball from same distance.

Edit- now that I consider the thin response, he could only thin the 3, 2 or 5. They would all result in cb being loft down table...improving your position immensely...unless he snugs you up to the 6, which is super tough, from up north.
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When you are in a jam, you should try to do something simple. All the double combo-carom follow blah blah blah, is just going to lose the game. Try to double them up, leave them long, or in the stack. Give yourself a chance to work out of it. Don't be impatient and try something stupid.

If you leave them up table with options, you know they are going to try to protect their position. You have to use that to your advantage. All you need is a position better than behind the whole stack. If you can push the ball from their whole, you get out of the break. But you have to assume they are getting at least one out of it. Key is to try to keep it at one.

Because there really aren't any other great options, all day long from this spot I'm going to leave them up table doubled up.

-td
 
td873 said:
When you are in a jam, you should try to do something simple. All the double combo-carom follow blah blah blah, is just going to lose the game. Try to double them up, leave them long, or in the stack. Give yourself a chance to work out of it. Don't be impatient and try something stupid.

If you leave them up table with options, you know they are going to try to protect their position. You have to use that to your advantage. All you need is a position better than behind the whole stack. If you can push the ball from their whole, you get out of the break. But you have to assume they are getting at least one out of it. Key is to try to keep it at one.

Because there really aren't any other great options, all day long from this spot I'm going to leave them up table doubled up.

-td
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Well now you are just talking crazy. The carom off the 5 and into the 12 is far easier than thinning a ball from the other end of the table.

Though I will agree it is harder to write.
 
This is where I was rolling the ball into practice. I also practiced the reply of rolling the cue ball back to the original after break position and also rolling one rail onto the pink 4 ball with a very high percentage. Interesting discussion but I am taking the foul and letting him shoot the combo if he likes or we trade some fouls before I shoot something else. Better he needs 10 then 8.
 

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Fast Lenny said:
This is where I was rolling the ball into practice. I also practiced the reply of rolling the cue ball back to the original after break position and also rolling one rail onto the pink 4 ball with a very high percentage. Interesting discussion but I am taking the foul and letting him shoot the combo if he likes or we trade some fouls before I shoot something else. Better he needs 10 then 8.
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So then...what do you do from there? (Looks like you set up the 5 closer to center table, btw)
 
Black-Balled said:
So then...what do you do from there? (Looks like you set up the 5 closer to center table, btw)
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Rolling me back is the best choice, I fooled around rolling on the 4 instead but realized it was too easy to shoot into the 7 ball and move some balls over and go back down table with the cue ball. Ultimately I guess it is better to both be going to 10 balls before taking drastic measures. Maybe if you get rolled back to the original break position and get a slightly different angle or a bit off the rail you can shoot into the 3-10 and stick your cue ball there.
 
I watched Cliff Joiner do something with a layout like this. Follow through the seven and pocket the nine.
 
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I liked doubling it up at first, seemed really conservative. But now that I'm looking at it,
could something like this be possible?
If you can avoid the 6 you can try to freeze on the 12, or bump it out of play,
maybe even get behind it with lots of spin?

Looks like it might only sell out 1 ball if you miss, the 14 bank.
But you potentially earn 5 or 6 balls if you make it.

Maybe it would be better to leave the cue ball in the center of the head rail,
so the combo is more straight and there's no safe leave.

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I dunno, creedo. Looks like a pretty tight window, to land on the r) side of 6 without touching the striped ball.

And if the reply yo suggest doesn't pocket a ball, the guy who pushed has really improved over the original shot.
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Im not a 1p player, but is slow rolling into the 5 ball to freeze the cue to the side of the 12 an option?
 
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