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I put the time in on the PPV and worked with the shots you suggested. At first, I couldn't get the wider angle banks to go without adjusting for the Diamond brand rails I put on my Brunswick. Everything plays short unless you hit the bank at a slow speed and spin the cue ball. I had to add a half tip of spin to open up the angle on the wider banks.
After making that adjustment, I liked the idea of using the table diamonds to figure out my tip offset. It helps to fine tune throwing the ball off of the rail and allowing for the friction that can cause banks to come up short.
Although 1 tip = 1 diamond is not new news in the pool world, your dvd with the pivot presents quite a few interesting takes on aligning to the shot rather than aiming it. You use the spin/stroke to pocket the ball rather than a contact point.
Stan Shuffett and Dave Segal also introduced me to their version of banking with a pivot from a center to center alignment, but not with the idea of using english and deflection as your main ball pocketing tools. You introduce tips of spin and cue ball squirt which fits nicely with using TOI.
Your system is very easy to implement and I was banking simple banks with it in the first five minutes. Once you become accustomed (as you say in the vid) to the table, using your methods you can dial in your stroke and get fairly accurate. I did notice that an accelerating stroke and not slow rolling the cue ball worked more consistently on all shots.
The multi rail banks got me experimenting and I employed some of the tracks in my safety play. I had better control of the object ball and where I could place it. The examples shown were great one pocket shots and I'll catalog them for future use.
I think players of all levels could benefit from this system. It uses simple math and only requires a short time to implement the pivot. The word "pivot",
scares a lot of players, but it's not any harder to learn than back hand english. You describe your version well in your demonstration.I'll work some more with the system and see what happens. Thanks for the info. Is this based on Tony's system or Burnie's?
Best,
Mike
.this is the level of understanding that metamorphosis happens
Yes, when you develop this system you can be free to play the cue-ball. You'll either make or get very close to every bank and/or safe so you can effectively play zones.
This is what the champion players do (in part) to connect with the game subconsciously. Aiming at a point on object balls may work to a certain level, however in doing so you have to break the game into segments. This leads to "scattered" thinking and an unsynchronized physical game that lacks table unity.
The vital link that separates players my speed from the "top" short-stops is the ability to connect their mind, body and technique to the game. There are techniques to do this mentally, and what I'm sharing with the TIP Banking Secrets is a way to do this physically in a way that few players will ever be exposed to.
Banking is creating angles, and so is ball-pocketing.......at some point the main thing you'll see is centers, edges and tangent lines as they connect to the pockets and diamonds......this is the level that metamorphosis occurs and instead of playing the game, the game starts playing {through} you.
'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, when you develop this system you can be free to play the cue-ball. You'll either make or get very close to every bank and/or safe so you can effectively play zones.
This is what the champion players do (in part) to connect with the game subconsciously. Aiming at a point on object balls may work to a certain level, however in doing so you have to break the game into segments. This leads to "scattered" thinking and an unsynchronized physical game that lacks table unity.
The vital link that separates players my speed from the "top" short-stops is the ability to connect their mind, body and technique to the game. There are techniques to do this mentally, and what I'm sharing with the TIP Banking Secrets is a way to do this physically in a way that few players will ever be exposed to.
Banking is creating angles, and so is ball-pocketing.......at some point the main thing you'll see is centers, edges and tangent lines as they connect to the pockets and diamonds......this is the level that metamorphosis occurs and instead of playing the game, the game starts playing {through} you.
'The Game is the Teacher'
I put the time in on the PPV and worked with the shots you suggested. At first, I couldn't get the wider angle banks to go without adjusting for the Diamond brand rails I put on my Brunswick. Everything plays short unless you hit the bank at a slow speed and spin the cue ball. I had to add a half tip of spin to open up the angle on the wider banks.
After making that adjustment, I liked the idea of using the table diamonds to figure out my tip offset. It helps to fine tune throwing the ball off of the rail and allowing for the friction that can cause banks to come up short.
Although 1 tip = 1 diamond is not new news in the pool world, your dvd with the pivot presents quite a few interesting takes on aligning to the shot rather than aiming it. You use the spin/stroke to pocket the ball rather than a contact point.
Stan Shuffett and Dave Segal also introduced me to their version of banking with a pivot from a center to center alignment, but not with the idea of using english and deflection as your main ball pocketing tools. You introduce tips of spin and cue ball squirt which fits nicely with using TOI.
Your system is very easy to implement and I was banking simple banks with it in the first five minutes. Once you become accustomed (as you say in the vid) to the table, using your methods you can dial in your stroke and get fairly accurate. I did notice that an accelerating stroke and not slow rolling the cue ball worked more consistently on all shots.
The multi rail banks got me experimenting and I employed some of the tracks in my safety play. I had better control of the object ball and where I could place it. The examples shown were great one pocket shots and I'll catalog them for future use.
I think players of all levels could benefit from this system. It uses simple math and only requires a short time to implement the pivot. The word "pivot",
I'll work some more with the system and see what happens. Thanks for the info. Is this based on Tony's system or Burnie's?
Best,
Mike
CJ, do you not use a table light over your home table? if so, how is that working out for you?
sometimes I like to play in the dark to work on my "Instinctive Aiming".
We didn't installed a regulation pool light, it gets in the way of filming. I do have a regular light that's sufficient for my purposes.....and sometimes I like to play in the dark to work on my "Instinctive Aiming".
We didn't installed a regulation pool light, it gets in the way of filming. I do have a regular light that's sufficient for my purposes.....and sometimes I like to play in the dark to work on my "Instinctive Aiming".
I noticed that picture of Billy Jack, it brings back some cool memories
You're certainly welcome.
I noticed that picture of Billy Jack, it brings back some cool memories -"I’m going to take this right foot, and I’m going to whop you on that side of your face and there's not a dang thing you can do about it!" - or something to that effect, it's been over 30 years since I saw the movie.
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You're certainly welcome.
I noticed that picture of Billy Jack, it brings back some cool memories -"I’m going to take this right foot, and I’m going to whop you on that side of your face and there's not a dang thing you can do about it!" - or something to that effect, it's been over 30 years since I saw the movie.
Play Well
You're certainly welcome.
I noticed that picture of Billy Jack, it brings back some cool memories -"I’m going to take this right foot, and I’m going to whop you on that side of your face and there's not a dang thing you can do about it!" - or something to that effect, it's been over 30 years since I saw the movie.
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I remember hearing references to Billy Jack as a kid.I didn't know it was a character in a movie(s).just thought he was the baddest man alive or something.Downloading the movies now....
You're certainly welcome.
I noticed that picture of Billy Jack, it brings back some cool memories -"I’m going to take this right foot, and I’m going to whop you on that side of your face and there's not a dang thing you can do about it!" - or something to that effect, it's been over 30 years since I saw the movie.
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LOL..Yep, that's a line that he is probably most famous for. Sadly, Tom Laughlin who played Billy Jack passed away last December
The movie itself has some good memories from me, as a kid we used to play 'Billy Jack' and beat each other up
Here is a shot of his autographed photo to me that I was lucky to get a year or two before he passed away. I have it hanging in the game room between one of the original posters from the re-release and my autographed picture of Keith. Lucky for us, I don't think Billy Jack played pool!
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pool, which is an art form (to me) more than a sport or a game.
Yeah, Tom Laughlin was really cool in that part, that's for sure, we also tried to emulate his moves when I was a kid.
The TV Series 'Kung Fu' was what inspired me to study the martial arts. The Far Eastern philosophies are easily bridged to pool,
which is an art form (to me) more than a sport or a game.
Yeah, Tom Laughlin was really cool in that part, that's for sure, we also tried to emulate his moves when I was a kid.
The TV Series 'Kung Fu' was what inspired me to study the martial arts. The Far Eastern philosophies are easily bridged to pool,
which is an art form (to me) more than a sport or a game.
LOL..Yep, that's a line that he is probably most famous for. Sadly, Tom Laughlin who played Billy Jack passed away last December
The movie itself has some good memories from me, as a kid we used to play 'Billy Jack' and beat each other up
Lucky for us, I don't think Billy Jack played pool!
Tom Laughlin is "The Teacher" in the Movie 'Billy Jack'
He certainly seemed like "the baddest man alive" when I was a kid. Now I'm going to have to watch the movie again.....the acting is "suspect" but the action is fantastic. Tom Laughlin captures the movie just with his intense presence! 'Tom is the Teacher'
He certainly seemed like "the baddest man alive" when I was a kid. Now I'm going to have to watch the movie again.....the acting is "suspect" but the action is fantastic. Tom Laughlin captures the movie just with his intense presence! 'Tom is the Teacher'
it holds the key to guaranteeing their success ...............or failure.
I was talking to one of the younger Champion pocket billiards players a while back and he was wondering what he could do to promote the game.....this question is worth it's weight in gold to the younger players ..... it holds the key to guaranteeing their success ...............or failure.
I said " promote yourself playing the game...do charity events, play to raise money for kids programs, hospitals,and other worthy causes...show the world what the Game can do THROUGH YOU"
After all, it's not the Game that's alluring, it's the people playing it....I've seen a pool table with no one playing on it and it's not that exciting.
Remember, the key to Promotion is MOTION...the Game plays through what we do in our lives, so play IT in front of as many people as possible through newspapers, TV, Radio and the internet....take care of the GAME FIRST, and the Game will take always take care of you!!!" The Game is the Teacher'
I was talking to one of the younger Champion pocket billiards players a while back and he was wondering what he could do to promote the game.....this question is worth it's weight in gold to the younger players ..... it holds the key to guaranteeing their success ...............or failure.
I said " promote yourself playing the game...do charity events, play to raise money for kids programs, hospitals,and other worthy causes...show the world what the Game can do THROUGH YOU"
After all, it's not the Game that's alluring, it's the people playing it....I've seen a pool table with no one playing on it and it's not that exciting.
Remember, the key to Promotion is MOTION...the Game plays through what we do in our lives, so play IT in front of as many people as possible through newspapers, TV, Radio and the internet....take care of the GAME FIRST, and the Game will take always take care of you!!!" The Game is the Teacher'
Wow! Great thread! I've just been sitting back and saying to myself...yep...yep...been there.. done that...noticed that...been working on that. I'm even beginning to learn a bunch of stuff from Mikjary on these T.O.I threads
Anyhow; as for your above comments; I've always suspected there was a throw effect that occurs with T.O.I. When the cue ball and object ball initially make contact I suspect the tangent line does not point straight towards the side of the pocket, which is where I am aiming. I suspect the tangent line points more towards the point of the pocket and at initial contact the cue ball hugs the object ball while horizontally rotating and it is only at the point of release that the tangent line is pointing towards the side of the pocket. Are my suspicions correct?
Not even close.
Personally I not only appreciate that he gives knowledge selflessly but also truly admire the manner in which CJ comports himself in response to the insulting negative comments he often receives from some here in this forum for nothing more than attempting to help others in this game we all love. You sir are truly a master of restraint and class.
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Yeah, silly me! If I'm cutting to the right and I hit right of center and deflect to the left, the cb is going to have counterclockwise spin on it, which would make what I described impossible. Thanks for your curtness, Neil! So C.J.......what do mean when you say the old timers used to throw the ball in?
Like many things in life we have to make a decision and commit to changing.
Don't overcomplicate things, the main objective with TOI is to over-cut the ball slightly....and play the inside of the pocket to give yourself a bigger pocket zone. I describe this in several different terms because that's what it takes to break through the communication barriers that's been constructed over the last 15 years.
The TOI technique is what subconsciously teaches "feel for the pocket," and if there's a better way to learn it I'd be surprised. The reason it's the 'Touch" of inside is two fold - it actually gives you a different feel when you hit the cue ball AND the the most precisely you hit the cue ball the less you need (just a touch)..... "less is more"
I'm training students that are getting advanced at using TOI and are slightly targeting the inside of the cue ball......since this is a subconscious training at some point you can just "think" the cue ball to react a certain way and it will. I can do this to hit either side of the pocket, and it also makes the "mental game" more critical (and delicate).
This seems "far out" to some, and I'll assure you all the champion level players have reached this level.....not necessarily with TOI, with the ability to alter the path of the cue ball with their mind.....at the highest levels this is a truly amazing phenomenon.
To reach this level of play it's vital to put some of the old information on the shelf and experience the TOI for a couple of weeks......like many things in life we have to make a decision and commit to changing...(this is the process best to develop YOUR own style of performing)...we can't change "half way," as a matter of fact that will only lead to getting stuck and confused from my experience. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Don't overcomplicate things, the main objective with TOI is to over-cut the ball slightly....and play the inside of the pocket to give yourself a bigger pocket zone. I describe this in several different terms because that's what it takes to break through the communication barriers that's been constructed over the last 15 years.
The TOI technique is what subconsciously teaches "feel for the pocket," and if there's a better way to learn it I'd be surprised. The reason it's the 'Touch" of inside is two fold - it actually gives you a different feel when you hit the cue ball AND the the most precisely you hit the cue ball the less you need (just a touch)..... "less is more"
I'm training students that are getting advanced at using TOI and are slightly targeting the inside of the cue ball......since this is a subconscious training at some point you can just "think" the cue ball to react a certain way and it will. I can do this to hit either side of the pocket, and it also makes the "mental game" more critical (and delicate).
This seems "far out" to some, and I'll assure you all the champion level players have reached this level.....not necessarily with TOI, with the ability to alter the path of the cue ball with their mind.....at the highest levels this is a truly amazing phenomenon.
To reach this level of play it's vital to put some of the old information on the shelf and experience the TOI for a couple of weeks......like many things in life we have to make a decision and commit to changing...(this is the process best to develop YOUR own style of performing)...we can't change "half way," as a matter of fact that will only lead to getting stuck and confused from my experience. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I suggest you look up what a tangent line is first. :wink: