Why can't Shane win a major tournament outside USA?

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spartan

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Shane just lost 4-11 to Carlos Biado in quarterfinals of WPA ranking tournament China Open (9 ball)
So why can't Shane win a major outside USA or a World Championship? What does he have to do to win outside USA? (FYI, major WPA ranking tournament are listed at http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings )
He reminds me of Yang who was regarded by many as the best player never to win a World Championship. Like the Jimmy White of snooker or like Ivan Lendl who never won Wimbledon or like Paul Newman who never won an Oscar Best Actor until the acting academy finally gave him Oscar for Color of Money apparently as a "gift" to compensate
Can Shane get the monkey off his back in the coming World 9 ball Championship one week from now or in near future?

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You win some and you lose some. Shane plays mostly in our country and wins often. When Shane goes abroad he also wins often. These players never "always win" but rather they win a few and lose a few against other players that are on the same level.

I out play most of the others in my area but that does not mean I win every time.
When I get down to Denver I play well some days and not so good on others.
The balls role funny for everyone.
 
What is the format for the world 9 ball championship? most if not all nine ball tournaments in the states are winner breaks, double elimination. This helps Shane greatly here in the states.

Alternating racks will keep Shane from running packs. He is a momentum player, and it seems to me you have to be very patient in the alternating rack tournaments. Also your concentration has to be extremely honed, also difficult when you are twelve hours removed from your normal sleep schedule.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
What is the format for the world 9 ball championship? most if not all nine ball tournaments in the states are winner breaks, double elimination. This helps Shane greatly here in the states.

Alternating racks will keep Shane from running packs. He is a momentum player, and it seems to me you have to be very patient in the alternating rack tournaments. Also your concentration has to be extremely honed, also difficult when you are twelve hours removed from your normal sleep schedule.
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Can you explain how these Filipino players excel here under the same excuse?
 
spartan said:
Shane just lost 4-11 to Carlos Biado in quarterfinals of WPA ranking tournament China Open (9 ball)
So why can't Shane win a major outside USA or a World Championship? What does he have to do to win outside USA? (FYI, major WPA ranking tournament are listed at http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings )
He reminds me of Yang who was regarded by many as the best player never to win a World Championship. Like the Jimmy White of snooker or like Ivan Lendl who never won Wimbledon or like Paul Newman who never won an Oscar Best Actor until the acting academy finally gave him Oscar for Color of Money apparently as a "gift" to compensate
Can Shane get the monkey off his back in the coming World 9 ball Championship one week from now or in near future?

monkey-on-back.jpg


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I remember they asked Shane about his world play during aTAR pod cast, he did talk about the sleep schedule and eating, and how it's hard to adjust. He wasn't making excuses, but it's got to be hard. You are on a fixed budget so you are a victim of the conditions there.

I know I play terrible of I haven't eaten right or just got done with a long shift at work. So I could see problems if I was in Quatar and couldn't find a coke and a cheeseburger and had to settle for hummus and bread.
 
The top players are so close in skill level that I just wonder if Shane properly prepares himself for International Play. I wonder if he gets to his destination with enough time to acclimate to his surroundings and practice in his new surroundings? Or, is he just uncomfortable being out of his normal environment?
 
It's single elimination and in any given tournament set, anyone can beat anyone. Things gotta go your way to win any tournament.
 
The time zone change has a LOT to do with it. Usually takes about a week for most people to adjust from one far apart time zone to another. Ask any serviceman who was stationed in Japan how long it took once he was back in the USA.
 
cleary said:
It's single elimination and in any given tournament set, anyone can beat anyone. Things gotta go your way to win any tournament.
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Very True.
Also :
1. jet lagging, food...
2. neutral table, neutral racker ;)

And the most obvious thing that people forgot : Shane is the Pool God is the U.S, but there are many others Pool Gods in the World. Hercules feel good by himself on earth but it's not the same story when he comes to Olympia ;).

Nothing against Shane, he has the same chance to win as :
Shane
Orcullo
Lee Van
Jeffey Ignacio
Carlo Biado
Ko Pin Yi
Chang Jung Lin
Chang Yu Lun
Wu Jia Quing
Thorsten
Ralf
Niels Feijen
Mika Immonen
Karl Boyes
Chris Melling
Darren Appleton
.......

Long list, huh ? ;) And another 20 players are just a little less likely to win, but really a little.

So yes, Shane need alot of luck.
But I still believe he'll be there one day.
Go Shane go :smile:
 
I know that I do not like tournaments that start before noon. I seem to play much better in the evening/night than I do earlier in the day.:confused:
 
spartan said:
Shane just lost 4-11 to Carlos Biado in quarterfinals of WPA ranking tournament China Open (9 ball)
So why can't Shane win a major outside USA or a World Championship? What does he have to do to win outside USA? (FYI, major WPA ranking tournament are listed at http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings )
He reminds me of Yang who was regarded by many as the best player never to win a World Championship. Like the Jimmy White of snooker or like Ivan Lendl who never won Wimbledon or like Paul Newman who never won an Oscar Best Actor until the acting academy finally gave him Oscar for Color of Money apparently as a "gift" to compensate
Can Shane get the monkey off his back in the coming World 9 ball Championship one week from now or in near future?

monkey-on-back.jpg


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It's not like the same players are winning or dominating over there. The format just doesn't support it. It breeds parity and SVB, like everyone else, is limited by the format. If that ever changes, he's most likely dominate abroad just like he does here. He's the best player in the world, but everyone is susceptible to the "someone has to win, and someone has to lose" theory and some days others are just better. I don't see them changing the format any time soon. They probably love the parity and the chance it gives their home players at winning. Personally, the draw seemed a bit off for me watching the matchups. Seemed like a lot of 'outside' players from the States, Canada, and elsewhere ended up playing each other early on, limiting the odds of there being an all outsider championship. It's China though, so no real surprise there.
 
pwd72s said:
The time zone change has a LOT to do with it. Usually takes about a week for most people to adjust from one far apart time zone to another. Ask any serviceman who was stationed in Japan how long it took once he was back in the USA.
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Usually takes me about 3-4 days to get re-adjusted after a 12 month tour in afghanistan each year...... I couldn't imagine hopping on a plane and then playing a large tournament like this the day or so after
 
a world class super elite player every single round and single elimination is tough to fade.

I would love to see a live ppv stream of these guys gambling after the tournament. Or do they just pack their bags and go to their next destination site?
 
In this game, playing tournaments, you lose more then you win.
Shanes record is pretty good

Play in a tourney week after week, with the worlds best, and players just under them,not one player will dominate.

They all basically have the same skills, he who is mentally strongest today takes the cash.

One roll, good or bad, could change the outcome, mentally for both players.
 
driz86 said:
didn't he win the world 10 ball a few years ago?
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I thought the same thing. That's why it isn't much about the competition as it is the format. Ten ball's rules favour the stronger player and takes some of luck out of the run out. So Shane excelled, plus his break was devastating that tourney. So that helped too. With nine ball, and the world format, like a previous poster stated, twenty guys can win it anytime.
 
spartan said:
Shane just lost 4-11 to Carlos Biado in quarterfinals of WPA ranking tournament China Open (9 ball)
So why can't Shane win a major outside USA or a World Championship? What does he have to do to win outside USA? (FYI, major WPA ranking tournament are listed at http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings )
He reminds me of Yang who was regarded by many as the best player never to win a World Championship. Like the Jimmy White of snooker or like Ivan Lendl who never won Wimbledon or like Paul Newman who never won an Oscar Best Actor until the acting academy finally gave him Oscar for Color of Money apparently as a "gift" to compensate
Can Shane get the monkey off his back in the coming World 9 ball Championship one week from now or in near future?

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SVB would have lost to Wen (match before Carlos Biado), but God's intervention saved him! and Wen lost his mind for safety play. Carlos Biado is tough customer, had his self esteem boosted by beating Dennis O in previous match. It could be Jeffrey Ignacio, and Carlos Biado final!
 
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