SJM's Slant on the CSI 8-ball Scandal

I'm all for moving on and looking at the positives. To me, the best way to do that is state exactly what happened, the whole truth. Are fans owed that? Maybe, maybe not.

As to the Taiwanese coming back, come or don't come, at your pleasure. I know they have come from time to time, and have been received fairly. One had a nice payday at White Diamonds in Lafayette.
 
punter said:
I'm all for moving on and looking at the positives. To me, the best way to do that is state exactly what happened, the whole truth. Are fans owed that? Maybe, maybe not.

As to the Taiwanese coming back, come or don't come, at your pleasure. I know they have come from time to time, and have been received fairly. One had a nice payday at White Diamonds in Lafayette.
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Kevin came to stay for a couple months - it wasn't a "team trip" as the Taiwanese have been known to do. Of course, he is a lot more assertive and outgoing than the other Taiwanese players and had more incentive during this stage of his pool career to make a trip like that than the likes of the Ko brothers and Chang.
 
vincentwu817 said:
Honestly, aside from the US Open 10 Ball last year, there isn't any events that are I consider "big American stage." While that field was tough, the prize money was only 15,000. Chang Jung Lin came to the US Open 9 ball two years ago and quietly placed 5th. I believe that was his first time coming to the US, and probably one of the first few times he ever touched a Diamond table. Ko, I believe was there too. There was a streamed match of him that year earlier in the tournament when David Alcaide played perfect pool and beat him. While the US Open 9 Ball may seem like a big prestigious event here in the US, it probably doesn't mean as much to the Asian players aside from the prize money.
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Probably the main attraction for viewers and fans (at least that was main attraction for me) is the world class field. Aside from WPA majors and World championships, this is one of strongest fields. Only 5 ( Morra, Dechaine, Ping Chung, Kiamco, Cheng) do not have a WPA major or world title
i can only think of handful of elite world players not here-
Niels
Mika
Chang Yu Lung
Biado
Lee Van
Alex
Wu
:D
 
spartan said:
Probably the main attraction for viewers and fans (at least that was main attraction for me) is the world class field. Aside from WPA majors and World championships, this is one of strongest fields. Only 5 ( Morra, Dechaine, Ping Chung, Kiamco, Cheng) do not have a WPA major or world title
i can only think of handful of elite world players not here-
Niels
Mika
Chang Yu Lung
Biado
Lee Van
Alex
Wu
:D
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And adding those guys would probably make a different in the outcome :grin:. The top players play so closely nowadays that its anyone's game. I know of another good amount of players from Taiwan that play at least even with the bottom portion of the 16 players invited, and I am sure there are quite a few from the Philippines as well. Chua and Ignacio both come to mind. I haven't really seen them play much, but they seem to consistently place high in the big world events.
 
vincentwu817 said:
And adding those guys would probably make a different in the outcome :grin:. The top players play so closely nowadays that its anyone's game. I know of another good amount of players from Taiwan that play at least even with the bottom portion of the 16 players invited, and I am sure there are quite a few from the Philippines as well. Chua and Ignacio both come to mind. I haven't really seen them play much, but they seem to consistently place high in the big world events.
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IMHO Johann Chua is most impressive of the Filipino young guns.
 
jay helfert said:
My feeling is it's over and done with, and let it go at that. All of the principals involved will learn a lesson in the future.

Sometimes you just have to man up and admit there was a fuc-up and let it go at that.

I don't think any of the parties involved acted with malice. It all happened somewhat in the spur of the moment and sometimes we say and do things on the fly that we would not have done given time to contemplate. ALL of us have done that and we know it. I can't you how many times I have said (or not said) something that I regretted later.
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I agree with this! But, an apology is appropriate IMO! Not necessarily public!

Given the administrative decisions played a role in KO's performance and cost him money!

It would not be inappropriate to compensate him for the financial lose.

The 2250 difference is peanuts to a big league like CSI. Plus, a sign of good will and elude an absence of malice.

Kd

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Bubwit chua is a great player but less we forget Ignacio did come in second in the China open after beating, amongst others, biado in the semis and ultimately losing to Chang yu lung in the finals. Both are great young players.
 
vincentwu817 said:
Honestly, aside from the US Open 10 Ball last year, there isn't any events that are I consider "big American stage." While that field was tough, the prize money was only 15,000. Chang Jung Lin came to the US Open 9 ball two years ago and quietly placed 5th. I believe that was his first time coming to the US, and probably one of the first few times he ever touched a Diamond table. Ko, I believe was there too. There was a streamed match of him that year earlier in the tournament when David Alcaide played perfect pool and beat him. While the US Open 9 Ball may seem like a big prestigious event here in the US, it probably doesn't mean as much to the Asian players aside from the prize money.
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The U.S. Open once again will be a very important event on the world pool calendar, now that it's been given world ranking points. I expect many foreign players to return. Let's hope it all goes well and there are no problems with payouts, like there's been in previous years.
 
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jay helfert said:
The U.S. Open once again will be a very important event on the world pool calendar, now that it's been given world ranking points. I expect many foreign players to return. Let's hope it all goes well and there are no problems with payouts like there's been in previous years.
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I don't believe the Taiwanese players will show up for the US Open since they had just made a long trip to the US, unless there are other events to make the trip worthwhile. However, it would be awesome if all the top Filipinos and Europeans shows up.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
I agree with this! But, an apology is appropriate IMO! Not necessarily public!

Given the administrative decisions played a role in KO's performance and cost him money!

It would not be inappropriate to compensate him for the financial lose.

The 2250 difference is peanuts to a big league like CSI. Plus, a sign of good will and elude an absence of malice.

Kd

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Nothing like a little "bonus" money to soften the blow. I agree! :thumbup2:
 
sjm said:
One must conclude that Ralf wanted 3rd place money rather than 5th place money and wasn't prepared to forfeit the difference in prize money. Seem to recall that you got $750 per match won if you were eliminated in the round robin, so had Ralf forfeited to Dennis, he'd have gone 1-2 and collected a total of $750 in the event. In contrast, he was paid 3rd place money, which I believe was $2,500. Hence, the cost of the forfeit would have been $1,750, not a figure to sniff at.
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If that played any part in his decision....................


And im not sure the decision by CSI was incorrect/unfair If Ko was paid the $$ amount as if he advanced. No way would i not pay him that spot.
 
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The only way we'll ever find out if the Ko's were threatened or not will be by seeing if they return next year (if of course the event is even held again). If they don't return then they likely left this with a sour taste in their mouths.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
I agree with this! But, an apology is appropriate IMO! Not necessarily public!

Given the administrative decisions played a role in KO's performance and cost him money!

It would not be inappropriate to compensate him for the financial lose.

The 2250 difference is peanuts to a big league like CSI. Plus, a sign of good will and elude an absence of malice.

Kd

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The fact is this has been in the very least a PR nightmare and if he was working for anybody else other then himself he would probably be looking for a job ,, his approval numbers here are Obama like
He can get away with this type of behavior because he has little competition his viewers have no other product to buy ,,
Most people had a very difficult time figuring out the brackets ,, you had matches that meant nothing to some players ,, a big flaw in this format , players were allowed to walk out while others were forced to play ,, the cometary was average at best there were many who did not care for it as many here indicated and the TD was talking to players while others were playing

The Ko brothers who came ,saw and conquered , did so with class that many there sorely lacked ,


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jay helfert said:
The U.S. Open once again will be a very important event on the world pool calendar, now that it's been given world ranking points. I expect many foreign players to return. Let's hope it all goes well and there are no problems with payouts, like there's been in previous years.
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u going or are you persona non grata at this point?

Never laid eyes on you in Vegas somehow
 
Lumocolor said:
The only way we'll ever find out if the Ko's were threatened or not will be by seeing if they return next year (if of course the event is even held again). If they don't return then they likely left this with a sour taste in their mouths.
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The impression I got from the Taiwanese folks was that it was a bad decision, and the way it was handled was definitely not courteous considering that these guys traveled so many miles to play here. I would say they may return if a similar event was held, but next time they will be prepared for it more. Don't forget the CSI disqualified several Taiwanese players in the BCA. I'm not taking sides on that one was there seem to be wrongs on both sides. However, they did return.

Most of the Taiwanese fans and family on facebook seem to be taking it quite well. If Little Ko did not win, the opinion may be different.
 
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vincentwu817 said:
The impression I got from the Taiwanese folks was that it was a bad decision, and the way it was handled was definitely not courteous considering that these guys traveled so many miles to play here. I would say they may return if a similar event was held, but next time they will be prepared for it more. Don't forget the CSI disqualified several Taiwanese players in the BCA. I'm not taking sides on that one was there seem to be wrongs on both sides. However, they did return.

Most of the Taiwanese fans and family on facebook seem to be taking it quite well. If Little Ko did not win, the opinion may be different.
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They walked away with most of the money! That helps sooth the pain. :wink:
 
vincentwu817 said:
Don't forget the CSI disqualified several Taiwanese players in the BCA. I'm not taking sides on that one was there seem to be wrongs on both sides. However, they did return.
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Vincent,

In that case, two world class Taiwanese players were entered in an amateur event. They destroyed the field and were disqualified. CSI eased their pain with a $5000 payout to cover their expenses from and to Taiwan. The team they played on also won the Advanced Team 8 ball event for an addtional $4000. Not bad for being disqualified!

Lyn
 
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