JB's AZB

[JB Cases]

Sorry Lou,
As much as I enjoyed watching you take his money in the PPV, there is no other case I would want to own if I had unlimited finances. Regardless of your opinion, his publicity works, and I consider his cases elite, top of the line, best quality, and unfortunately just out of my budget for now. The fact that his cases are considered upper echelon, at the very least in my opinion and also in many others, makes me want to refute your statement, as his publicity is still working strong.

I tell you the lead up to the match brought me more publicity than anything else I have ever done. I think more people read about it than actually watched it.

I had a great time during it and in 2015 if things work out the way I plan I will be doing some sort of JB pool challenge every year - Dean Campbell's idea!

Thanks for all the compliments. I would strongly urge you to consider Chuck Fields and Al Kinghorn as well if your budget allows. Both of them use our interiors (Chuck uses a factory made version) and the quality of their leather work is near perfect.

As for me, what you see is what you get.....loud brash but ever willing to step up and prove what I say.

 

[PaulieB]

I tell you the lead up to the match brought me more publicity than anything else I have ever done. I think more people read about it than actually watched it.

You know, honestly, I lost $250 on a 2:1 bet on that match of yours. My friend kept telling me it was more publicity than anything else and I kept telling him that you were a sleeper and had been practicing your arse off!

The fact that you bared your arse (i mean not that bad, but pretty close), and held up your bet, made me not quite mind losing the 250 (especially considering your bet). But holy *god of your choice* I sure hoped to win so that I could order a case from you on top of your win! Oh well, who knows, I'm going to Vegas in a couple weeks, maybe you will get an order from me soon.

 

[JB Cases]

You know, honestly, I lost $250 on a 2:1 bet on that match of yours. My friend kept telling me it was more publicity than anything else and I kept telling him that you were a sleeper and had been practicing your arse off!

The fact that you bared your arse (i mean not that bad, but pretty close), and held up your bet, made me not quite mind losing the 250 (especially considering your bet). But holy *god of your choice* I sure hoped to win so that I could order a case from you on top of your win! Oh well, who knows, I'm going to Vegas in a couple weeks, maybe you will get an order from me soon.

I had been practicing, not enough, but I was working on my game a lot. Unfortunately more importantly I didn't prepare for the emotional side of it. So yeah I stunk up the joint on the table pretty good and still only lost 9:6 after nine hours.

If I had worked on my head then I surely would have done a lot better and probably earned you your case.

 

[TheThaiger]

John you are like a one man resuscitation team that will not quit, that is a wonderful thing keep trying to bringing some person who suffered a acute cardiac arrest back to life. But sometimes you can not.

But having done this hundreds of times for real or real victims there comes a point when you have to look at the person you are trying to save, or bring back to life & realize the pupils are fixed, dilated, and the heart is straight line.

At that point the person in charge normally a physician say we are are done, calling off the code, the time is noted, and the victim is pronounced dead.

Yes I think you are trying to make a point with people who are either dead, brain dead, or just want to pull your chain, to get their jollys, disagreeing with you to make you work harder trying to get them to understand your point.

Rush Limbaugh was talking about the internet, blogs, and forums the other day. Think he pointed to the problem when he said until people have to use REAL NAMES, and REAL IDENTITIES this trolling will never cease to stop.

As it is now some anonymous person can post any crap they want to post, or start some rumor about a member in private to some other member via PM, they know & hope the other person will take the information, be it true or false. Than start some rumor be it false, half true, or or true. Now the fun begins?

So until everyone is held to the same standard, and everyone posts under REAL NAMES you are fighting a loosing battle John IMHO.

So John you need to return to what you do best, and that is making Cue Cases, making better Cue Cases, working on the R & D & Inventing new, and improved Cue Case that you do so well.

One only need look at the latitude of work John and your staff have produced, and is available to view on your companies today. Never being satisfied with what was done yesterday, but working toward doing something better tomorrow, or in the future.

Maybe these trolls are jealous of you John, I don’t know but they sure are not worth your time JMHO.

Lol.

Who wrote that?

 

[TheThaiger]

Doubt that seriously unless you count dirt and/or hazardous waste you made in a landfill as something you made. I do enjoy my memories, other people do to. We enjoy memories of your behavior, there is a difference. The photo series is hilarious, Eric's video of you scurrying around like a mouse in a corner with a cat fixing to pounce, beyond price. I haven't looked at many of the video's you made but being willing to consider almost any pool information I have watched a few, you are always the best advertisement for the other side!

Hu

Um, video? What video and how much can I pay to see it?

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Lol. Who wrote that?

Hmmm, I'm going to venture a guess here and say, "Lick Lick D Lis".

You mean John's CTE videos?

I don't think that he did the originator any favors on those.

Lucky that he didn't receive a Cease and Desist Order.

I think John was using CTE against Lou, Lou not using any Aiming Systems other than the PTBITH System. In which he did.

 

[takeitdown]

Oh really? Hmmm, let's see I showed up there in your hometown and asked you to play, I said let's freeze up the whole 20....

Nothing doing.

After Derby I said let's double the bet and freeze up the WHOLE 40 - this AFTER you claimed to have UNLIMITED backing.

I repeated my offer at least two more times before SBE. Not a peep.

Then.....on the first day of SBE when I am guaranteed to be super busy and not paying attention to the match or any pre-match barking, you try and come over the top with and offer to raise it by 15k.

I spend the next five days putting in 16-18 hour days working. Thanks for the raise though because it brought people to the booth to ask me about it. But I was fairly pissed off that I asked you to raise it several times and freeze it all up and you didn't respond at all.

So when it got to game time I was in no mood to accommodate you AND the money was better spent invested in cases which bring me a far greater return than beating you could ever bring. I played and bet what I wanted to bet when the coin was flipped. That you didn't get to bet more is your own fault.

Should have called me when I offered it THREE TIMES to FREEZE UP the money well before the match. As the Texas Hold Em players know it you can't whine when your guy gets away on the river if you didn't reel him in on the turn.

I can accept that you didn't take Brian's offer seriously, but the fact is that an offer was made and you didn't pursue it.

You all played your head games and it backfired and you ONLY won 10k between you. It's your own fault that I sidestepped your last little move and it cost you. You're very lucky that I played at all all other things considered.

One thing is for sure, I ain't no two-bit coward like you called me on here. I showed up to play and I played. I showed up at your place and offered to play right then on the stipulation that we froze up the whole 20k. You bailed. You think you were manipulating me, now I know that you were not ALLOWED to make a move without first consulting your backer.

Must have been tough for you being told what to do. I don't know but SJD was probably in on it too which if so was brilliant and if not was fortunate for you. I applaud you guys for the head games you played. But unfortunately, the last one failed you. Thinking you were going to screw with me during my show with your offer to raise was simply one move too far boys....you overplayed your hand.

I congratulate you for the win.

I REALLY DO.

You stayed calm and played a decent game. You made some great shots under pressure and dogged some and overall it was a game among equally skilled players with wildly different styles in my opinion. I did enjoy it and I thank you for really showing up to play. I know it would have been a tremendous blow had I won, much more than the money. So for you to actually show up was big for me, shows me that you do have some balls even if most of them were owned by your backer.

No really, between you and me it was more than the money and showing up and playing on stream was admirable to me. Kudos to you for doing that.

Just post your money John. The world will bet against you now that we all saw you play. You literally had no chance. You demean yourself to continue as you do. Grow up Johnny.

 

[lfigueroa]

Oh really? Hmmm, let's see I showed up there in your hometown and asked you to play, I said let's freeze up the whole 20....

Nothing doing.

After Derby I said let's double the bet and freeze up the WHOLE 40 - this AFTER you claimed to have UNLIMITED backing.

I repeated my offer at least two more times before SBE. Not a peep.

Then.....on the first day of SBE when I am guaranteed to be super busy and not paying attention to the match or any pre-match barking, you try and come over the top with and offer to raise it by 15k.

I spend the next five days putting in 16-18 hour days working. Thanks for the raise though because it brought people to the booth to ask me about it. But I was fairly pissed off that I asked you to raise it several times and freeze it all up and you didn't respond at all.

So when it got to game time I was in no mood to accommodate you AND the money was better spent invested in cases which bring me a far greater return than beating you could ever bring. I played and bet what I wanted to bet when the coin was flipped. That you didn't get to bet more is your own fault.

Should have called me when I offered it THREE TIMES to FREEZE UP the money well before the match. As the Texas Hold Em players know it you can't whine when your guy gets away on the river if you didn't reel him in on the turn.

I can accept that you didn't take Brian's offer seriously, but the fact is that an offer was made and you didn't pursue it.

You all played your head games and it backfired and you ONLY won 10k between you. It's your own fault that I sidestepped your last little move and it cost you. You're very lucky that I played at all all other things considered.

One thing is for sure, I ain't no two-bit coward like you called me on here. I showed up to play and I played. I showed up at your place and offered to play right then on the stipulation that we froze up the whole 20k. You bailed. You think you were manipulating me, now I know that you were not ALLOWED to make a move without first consulting your backer.

Must have been tough for you being told what to do. I don't know but SJD was probably in on it too which if so was brilliant and if not was fortunate for you. I applaud you guys for the head games you played. But unfortunately, the last one failed you. Thinking you were going to screw with me during my show with your offer to raise was simply one move too far boys....you overplayed your hand.

I congratulate you for the win.

I REALLY DO.

You stayed calm and played a decent game. You made some great shots under pressure and dogged some and overall it was a game among equally skilled players with wildly different styles in my opinion. I did enjoy it and I thank you for really showing up to play. I know it would have been a tremendous blow had I won, much more than the money. So for you to actually show up was big for me, shows me that you do have some balls even if most of them were owned by your backer.

No really, between you and me it was more than the money and showing up and playing on stream was admirable to me. Kudos to you for doing that.

This post of yours is a good example of why no one should believe anything you say.

You came to St. Louis and said, “Let’s play for a $100 a game. I only brought a thousand. I’ll let you off easy.”

$40K? First time this number has come up. More like you said, “I’ll cover all side bets and stack it up to $30K.” Of course you crawfished on that. A few months from now you’ll be talking about how you wanted to bet $80K, lol.

I wasn’t at the SBC and had no idea what you were up to. Besides, all you had to do was say “Yes” and gone on with whatever you were doing at your booth.

Lastly: Head games? Just go look at your posts for the five months leading to the match if you want to see “head games.”

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Sorry Lou,
As much as I enjoyed watching you take his money in the PPV, there is no other case I would want to own if I had unlimited finances. Regardless of your opinion, his publicity works, and I consider his cases elite, top of the line, best quality, and unfortunately just out of my budget for now. The fact that his cases are considered upper echelon, at the very least in my opinion and also in many others, makes me want to refute your statement, as his publicity is still working strong.

Pauli, gad you enjoy your JB case. I prefer Whitten. Maybe his publicity was a wash

Lou Figueroa

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

If the 2 principles could just put all their energy into positives instead of negatives there would be global chilling instead of warming, imagine polar bears high-pawing one another over the reformation of the icebergs, there would be no hungry children, just obese ones, police could take care of biz with pop guns, Hamas members calling Bingo numbers at Jewish Community Centers, ebola, schmebola, it's cured! . . ., , the ISIS mass suicide...:thumbup: , all within our grasp...

think about it boys . . .

imagine. :smile:

best,
brian kc

 

[ShootingArts]

having fun

And Hu,

Just be clear.

You are claiming that the leather we use is dangerous to humans?

Is this statement what you want to go with?

I'm not testy in the least! I'm having great fun giving you enough leash to make yourself look like an idiot. As usual, nobody else has to do it, you are so good at doing it yourself!

I have never claimed to be a leatherworker, just the opposite. That is what makes it so hilarious that I know more about many phases of it than you do.

You went on and on about carving leather in response to why it was essential to human life, carved leather has helped me stay in the saddle more times than a few but so has roughout! Neither would I call absolutely essential to human life nor any other carved leather. Try again, and again, and again, and again . . . . . . . Please

Oh yeah, about your leather. I'm saying so far you have not given any indication you really have a clue how it is tanned so you don't know if it is safe or not. It is well documented that some leather tanned in china isn't. Aside from that, I have gotten leather tanned in china that tore like toilet paper.

One other thing, while making your self-serving video about leather in Tandy's if you had taken a stroll you would have seen halves and quarters if it was like the Tandy stores I have been in. Then you would never again have to try to cover up your silly statements about cow hides, you know that stuff that comes from animals, not factories. The mind boggles at how many machine needles you must break trying to stitch radios when your people aren't keeping you locked in your office and away from any real work!

Hu

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Typical Coco Beans.

In your little world, a persons Success is based on how much money they make.

All over the Amazon Rain Forest, sit Shaman in a little cloth around their mid section.

Around them are the materials necessary to make Ayahuasca, so they can attend to their daily Spiritual sessions.

They own the protective loin cloth, maybe a knife and machete, a thatch roof hut and their daily food.

If you asked any of them if they believed that they were Blessed and given enuff by their Creator in which to live life and be Happy, they would all answer, Yes.

Your measure of success equals how you would measure a Man in general.

Pretty sad actually but nothing unexpected from any of your posts.

Again you know zero about my world, and using Rush Limbaugh was an example I am very figural with. Yes Rush makes money, like any successful person.

But the real story was I know how Limbaugh got his start in Talk Radio, at KFBK in Sacramento. His salary was $150.00 bucks a week, for a 9-Noon spot Monday thru Friday on one station.

Now the man from hard work, maybe some luck, a few other factors Rush had control over has turned his humble start into a very nice empire. Viva La Rush.

The difference between Limbaugh, and other who shot for a bullseye eye. Limbaugh made it, and other who tried like the old Air America Radio went down in smoke.

BTW if living in the Amazon sounds like your cup of tea in a straw hut. Go there and live your dream. I am sure the native would enjoy your company, but could you survive what they deal with daily?

BTW others who have won in the game of life are many like Donald Trump, Vince McMahon of the WWE, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and a few more like Steve Jobs.

All very successful from their own hard work. But I understand some are content living the good life of an assembly work in some GM plant, and have no plans to risk security for possible fame & fortune.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Lol.

Who wrote that?

I wrote it did you read it verbatim, (that means ever word), or just common on part of the post?

 

[PINKLADY]

....some leather tanned in china isn't. Aside from that, I have gotten leather tanned in china that tore like toilet paper....

that's because it's "bicast" leather. all the shit parts of the hyde that can't be used for anything cause they have so many natural markings (bites, barbwire), get grinded it into leather dust. mix it with glue. pour it out & roll it to 2mm (or thicker for a hard hyde). spray paint it with color. let it dry (normally china doesn't let it cure long enough cause the idiots set furniture outside under tarps during monsoon season), and then ship it here while it mildews on the containers for 45 days. yes, you can literally tear it with your bare hands.

the finest hydes in the world come from Italian & South American cows. graded via computer analysis, cut @ 8-18mm, & tanned to spec. only full & pure anilines; no semi anilines. only A & B grades; no C's. then shipped to whomever for production of high-end items.

you can almost always tell a chinese hyde - by smell, or the fact that it can't "take" a PURE WHITE color (always ivory or cream).

having said all this, vinyl has come a long, long way & is increasingly more difficult to discern against leather.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

that's because it's "bicast" leather. all the shit parts of the hyde that can't be used for anything cause they have so many natural markings (bites, barbwire), get grinded it into leather dust. mix it with glue. pour it out & roll it to 2mm (or thicker for a hard hyde). spray paint it with color. let it dry (normally china doesn't let it cure long enough cause the idiots set furniture outside under tarps during monsoon season), and then ship it here while it mildews on the containers for 45 days. yes, you can literally tear it with your bare hands.

the finest hydes in the world come from Italian & South American cows. graded via computer analysis, cut @ 8-18mm, & tanned to spec. only full & pure anilines; no semi anilines. only A & B grades; no C's. then shipped to whomever for production of high-end items.

you can almost always tell a chinese hyde - by smell, or the fact that it can't "take" a PURE WHITE color (always ivory or cream).

having said all this, vinyl has come a long, long way & is increasingly more difficult to discern against leather.

damn and shazaam....

kk9 once mentioned to me about your affinity for leather - didn't realize it ran this deep. :thumbup:

So, miss smarty pants (chaps); do you know why moroccan leather is widely consider to be *the best* in the world?

A: Because they start with high quality hydes and from there they put these hydes through a revolting process kinda like marinating them in cauldrens of pigeon poo for weeks, or maybe it was months.

The show I saw about this, the host was being sickened by the horrific smell inh this particular town.

The locals were cool with it.

best,
brian kc

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Don't fret over my Airplane Post CC.

It went over your head. You judge the character, success, of a man or women by the size of their bank account.

That is probably the least best way over a possible thousand others.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Don't fret over my Airplane Post CC.

It went over your head. You judge the character, success, of a man or women by the size of their bank account.

That is probably the least best way over a possible thousand others.

Successful people normally have a large bank account, it is what comes with hard work that end in success. Not being in the RED.

I would rather hang out with people that have money, then pan handlers, or homeless type, that will always be asking for some spare change.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I would rather hang out with people that have money, then pan handlers, or homeless type, that will always be asking for some spare change.

Probably so you can Pan Handle off of them, right.

Either way, I knew that you wouldn't get it, Chalk Stealer that you are.

 

[JB Cases]

that's because it's "bicast" leather. all the shit parts of the hyde that can't be used for anything cause they have so many natural markings (bites, barbwire), get grinded it into leather dust. mix it with glue. pour it out & roll it to 2mm (or thicker for a hard hyde). spray paint it with color. let it dry (normally china doesn't let it cure long enough cause the idiots set furniture outside under tarps during monsoon season), and then ship it here while it mildews on the containers for 45 days. yes, you can literally tear it with your bare hands.

the finest hydes in the world come from Italian & South American cows. graded via computer analysis, cut @ 8-18mm, & tanned to spec. only full & pure anilines; no semi anilines. only A & B grades; no C's. then shipped to whomever for production of high-end items.

you can almost always tell a chinese hyde - by smell, or the fact that it can't "take" a PURE WHITE color (always ivory or cream).

having said all this, vinyl has come a long, long way & is increasingly more difficult to discern against leather.

Actually, it's not even leather. The Real Leather symbol is actually a trademark and recycled leather made up of parts glued into sheets is more like plywood. It's not allowed to be called leather legally in some countries.

It also runs the gamut though, like plywood, from extremely shitty to fairly good, depending on the intended use. Some you cannot tear with your bare hands.

I first came across this stuff when doing Instroke cases. I tried some for a lower end line we called the GEO series. What we chose worked well and the cases made are durable and functional with no problems. They are still on sale today.

"China" doesn't do anything. SOME Chinese companies don't handle their material and finsished goods properly and others have factories that rival the stanadards anywhere else on earth. If you lived here then you would understand that. Having been in dozens of factories and hung out with hundreds of ex-pats in a wide range of industries I have heard all the stories from completely idiotic to incredibly smart about Chinese factories and their practices.

I know you handle far more leather goods than I will see in a lifetime. I do however wish to challenge your statement that you "can always tell a Chinese hide by the smell and the fact that it can't take a pure white." I don't know where you are buying your hides or where your experience is coming from to make this statement but we buy most of ours from several tanneries in Guangzhou.

We make several trips a year to the leather markets down there and at those markets one can browse through hundreds of shops selling leather representing hundreds of tanneries. We buy from a few that we have established a good relationship with.

I am just a leather worker, with a rudimentary knowledge of tanning. So when I buy I am concerned with the "hand" or how the leather feels and smells and how colorfast it is. I test the durability by pulling it and scratching it and wrinkling it. I put my face in it and smell it.

I have rarely come across any in those shops that didn't have the distinctive leather smell. They certainly weren't mildewed. You can find pure white and ivory on display everywhere, we order white leather all the time, in both splits and full grain.

I don't know if you know this but Chinese people in China buy a lot of leather furniture, real leather, full grain nappa upholstered. In all colors. And of course it's well known that Chinese factories produce the majority of the world's handbags, including full leather ones in all colors.

JIve Ong, a member here on AZB, was a factory owner making furniture whose family recently sold their factory. He knows all about the furniture business from the manufacturer's perspective just as you know it from the distribution side. He could tell you all about best and worst practice as well as about leather in and outside of China. Mainly though, he can tell you that it's not as bad inside China as some persist in spreading. It's not US standards of course but this country was practically 100 years behind the USA just 30 years ago.

Regarding vinyl, I used to buy vinyl from Hornschuch AG in Germany directly. Mostly Skai. I once did a test where I took five pieces of leather and five pieces of vinyl and glued a liner to the back and dressed the edges and disguised the smell. I took these ten pieces to the pool room and offered to buy a drink for any person who could rightly distinguish which were leather and which were vinyl. Out of about 20 people who tried only one person got close with four of the five and he guessed his way through them all.

Most people don't realize that when you buy a car that has "leather" seats that ONLY the part where your ass is sitting is actually leather. It's in the fine print. The rest is vinyl perfectly matched to the leather, or more accurately the actual leather is perfectly matched to the vinyl.

That said, Will Prout, a member here known for his cue collection has an impressive auto collection as well and one of them is a Ferrari with a blue leather interior. Everything is leather, the seats, dashboard, door panels, all of it. According to Will, and Will please correct me if I get this wrong, they used 27 hides or something like that to get enough perfect leather in the proper color to finish this car.

Probably South American bullhide.

 

[JB Cases]

I'm not testy in the least! I'm having great fun giving you enough leash to make yourself look like an idiot. As usual, nobody else has to do it, you are so good at doing it yourself!

I have never claimed to be a leatherworker, just the opposite. That is what makes it so hilarious that I know more about many phases of it than you do.

You went on and on about carving leather in response to why it was essential to human life, carved leather has helped me stay in the saddle more times than a few but so has roughout! Neither would I call absolutely essential to human life nor any other carved leather. Try again, and again, and again, and again . . . . . . . Please

Oh yeah, about your leather. I'm saying so far you have not given any indication you really have a clue how it is tanned so you don't know if it is safe or not. It is well documented that some leather tanned in china isn't. Aside from that, I have gotten leather tanned in china that tore like toilet paper.

One other thing, while making your self-serving video about leather in Tandy's if you had taken a stroll you would have seen halves and quarters if it was like the Tandy stores I have been in. Then you would never again have to try to cover up your silly statements about cow hides, you know that stuff that comes from animals, not factories. The mind boggles at how many machine needles you must break trying to stitch radios when your people aren't keeping you locked in your office and away from any real work!

Hu

Leather comes from animals? Really?

Thanks Hu, I never knew that. You're just a fountain of information. Tell us again how you yourself have tanned leather. Show us some pictures please. We are all on the edge of our seats to see you in action, even if it was a hundred years ago. Show us those pictures of you killing a bear with a boy scout knife and then skinning it and tanning it with your urine.

Then show us the pictures of the saddle you made with that bear skin and how you singlehandlely drove a 1000 head across two states bringing them all safely to the stockyard. Then show us how you drove the train taking them cows to slaughter in Chicago where you single handley killed them all and skinned them.

And of course after that you butchered them all by yourself and packed those thousand hides on your shoulder down to St. Louis where the good folks at Hermann Oak stood aside while you taught them proper methods of tanning.

Please show us Hu, please sir. Please Uncle Hu tell us another story, please.