How to Aim Pool Shots (HAPS) - new videos by Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett
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You and who ever can beleive your houdini magical system all you want.:smile:
I like to keep things real and easy to explain. No need to travel to another dimension.
wow! i've been reading this thread for quite a while.. but the quote above is classic! lol
I never thought that the CTE i learned was a magical system. that's cool!... lol
real and easy to explain.......
as far as i know, stan made it real and easy to explan and understand...
what amazes me is that... why is it that some have mastered CTE or understood CTE and serves them well.. yet some fail to understand such concept?
Is CTE which was presented by stan was so hard to understand?... nope.. it's clear as daylight!.......
Again.. we pool players, whether we like it or not.. we are too damn proud.:thumbup:
Pidge,
I feel sorry for yourself and Bob. Clearly a lot of work has gone into this and not only was it moved into this section immediately (god knows why), but as with everything in here it has veered off into a CTE slagging match.
I for one appreciate the work you and Bob have put in. Especially liked the 1/3 more than twice banks
Thank you for your supportive post. I appreciate it.
I agree. It is unfortunate that CTE is surrounded by such vitriol and bad history.
Catch you later,
Dave
Yes, such a shame, and on page one of this thread your mindset came shining through when you just had to use the word MYSTICAL...a clear reference to CTE.
You have a history of stirring that pot and you still stir it.
Stan Shuffett
Stan,
I am sorry you feel so singled-out and disrespected by me. That is certainly not my intent. From the little we have interacted via phone and e-mail in the past, you seem like a really nice man and dedicated instructor.
The only things I consider "mystical" about some cut-shot "aiming systems" (not just CTE, and certainly not Pro-One specifically) are the outrageous and ridiculous "marketing claims" that have been used over these many years to attempt to "sell" them. FYI, most of the claims quoted on my site were from discussions and debates that occurred long before you even came on the scene.
Stan, again, I have nothing against you as a person, and I applaud you for expanding and improving the CTE approach, and presenting it in a way that has apparently helped a large number of people. Again, I applaud you for that. I and others (who have been accused of being "Naysayers") have gone out of our way to help explain the many benefits pivot-based aiming systems like CTE can provide to the people who chose to use them.
Best regards, and with respect,
Dave
PS: BTW, I know you frequently complain that the CTE information on my website is grossly inaccurate. As I have offered many times in the past, if you want to provide descriptions and illustrations that explain what is missing or wrong, I would be happy to link to or quote your information. Also, if you look closely at my CTE page, you will notice that much of the information is quoted or paraphrased directly from CTE proponents, yourself included. I also have a basic explanation and illustration of the approach you describe on your DVD, and I feel fairly confident that I have not misrepresented any information there; although, on the page, I am clear that what I present is my (not your) understanding and interpretation of what I viewed, studied, and worked with. I also have links to your stuff on my page. So if my page is grossly inaccurate, it is largely due to the contributions of CTE proponents, and only in small part due to me. Again, if you provide or point me to better information, I would be happy to quote or link to it if I feel it improves the level of understanding provided by the resource page or if it provides new and useful information. Again, best regards, Dave.
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Dr. Dave,
Please list the claims about CTE that you think to be ridiculous.
You do not have any of the critical elements of real CTE that occur within CTE PRO ONE summarized or stated on your site .... Just the points you want to advance as if you have FAIRLY covered it all.
Your DAM paragraph is EXTREMELY offensive to me and always has been.
Stan Shuffett
I commented on this as well Stan. I haven't been too active here lately - enjoying the short summer in Canada.
I wouldn't be too concerned with some of the posters on here.
Anthony just likes to stir the pot for some reason but otherwise seems like a decent lad.
Banks - well he clearly has no idea of CTE and obviously has no desire to learn. There will always be haters. I do hope the mods take note of his calling you a liar however - but I doubt it.
Hoping to get to Derby this year - perhaps we can connect again.
Cheers,
Gerry
I wouldn't be too concerned with some of the posters on here.
Anthony just likes to stir the pot for some reason but otherwise seems like a decent lad.
Banks - well he clearly has no idea of CTE and obviously has no desire to learn. There will always be haters. I do hope the mods take note of his calling you a liar however - but I doubt it.
Hoping to get to Derby this year - perhaps we can connect again.
Cheers,
Gerry
TheThaiger
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I would quit with the 'offendedness' if I were you. People are perfectly free to choose what they want to choose and say what they want to say.
To be offended because someone doesn't like your product smacks of childishness and petulance. To hope the mods 'take note' smacks of bullying.
If your product is any good, it will sell. If it's not, it won't.
Well, you are not me, so don't sweat it!! Dr. Dave requested what I did.
It's the likes of you that diminish the value of this forum section.
Don't worry about my PRODUCT either, sales have great since day 1.
Stan Shuffett
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TheThaiger
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Why are you always so defensive?
Youve got this twisted
No Stan,
It's the attacks coming from you and your bunch of followers that diminish the value of the forum. Once you wade in, as if you were attacked which you weren't, just like you did this time a war ensues. I had a peaceful objective conversation with Justadub and here you came. No one said anything negative until you hit the scene. You have a great product just leave us alone. Some of us don't need it and some of possibly don't see that it is as wonderful as you and you followers believe it is. Regardless of you claims.
There are people who don't see things the way you do and you can't man up and take it. We all know its a very workable product that is a great help to some people who need some help figuring out a reference point that tells them what to do.
You keep bringing up comments about the Forum Moderators well here is the take being surmised by a lot of people right now. Somehow you have managed to put a lot of people in your corner and you get a lot of credit for that but it doesn't make you God. There is a point where your attacks start running people off because its obvious that you know no shame in your attacks. If anything were I really emotionally involved in this that I would think that the Moderators have abandoned the rest of us by letting you run amuck to do whatever you want to. Even at that I don't plan on notifying them that someone is derailing threads with attacks but you are.
I am not happy that we cant all just discuss what we want to without interference and there is no wonder the Aiming Subforum exists. When you consider the acrid comments that come from your side and the amount of times that people have been banned over this very conversation at a point you have to say.....Who is really the instigator of all of this?
Unless you can leave threads alone and let people think whatever it is that they want to think....its you...and your followers that chime in.
I'm not sure how it was that you got so defensive but you are, offensively so. You prove it nearly every time you post because you just cant let it be.
You're reply to this will be: Its obvious that you understand nothing about Real CTE or we already know that you are against CTE....those are inflammatory statements that attack peoples integrity and open mindedness. Simply put, what you are doing is bullying and its being ignored and that is diminishing the quality of the debate here.
CTE is what it is, and this subject would be just fine if let to be what it is. You would still sell DVDs and prove your point to more people without all of the drama.
No Stan,
It's the attacks coming from you and your bunch of followers that diminish the value of the forum. Once you wade in, as if you were attacked which you weren't, just like you did this time a war ensues. I had a peaceful objective conversation with Justadub and here you came. No one said anything negative until you hit the scene. You have a great product just leave us alone. Some of us don't need it and some of possibly don't see that it is as wonderful as you and you followers believe it is. Regardless of you claims.
There are people who don't see things the way you do and you can't man up and take it. We all know its a very workable product that is a great help to some people who need some help figuring out a reference point that tells them what to do.
You keep bringing up comments about the Forum Moderators well here is the take being surmised by a lot of people right now. Somehow you have managed to put a lot of people in your corner and you get a lot of credit for that but it doesn't make you God. There is a point where your attacks start running people off because its obvious that you know no shame in your attacks. If anything were I really emotionally involved in this that I would think that the Moderators have abandoned the rest of us by letting you run amuck to do whatever you want to. Even at that I don't plan on notifying them that someone is derailing threads with attacks but you are.
I am not happy that we cant all just discuss what we want to without interference and there is no wonder the Aiming Subforum exists. When you consider the acrid comments that come from your side and the amount of times that people have been banned over this very conversation at a point you have to say.....Who is really the instigator of all of this?
Unless you can leave threads alone and let people think whatever it is that they want to think....its you...and your followers that chime in.
I'm not sure how it was that you got so defensive but you are, offensively so. You prove it nearly every time you post because you just cant let it be.
You're reply to this will be: Its obvious that you understand nothing about Real CTE or we already know that you are against CTE....those are inflammatory statements that attack peoples integrity and open mindedness. Simply put, what you are doing is bullying and its being ignored and that is diminishing the quality of the debate here.
CTE is what it is, and this subject would be just fine if let to be what it is. You would still sell DVDs and prove your point to more people without all of the drama.
This thread was derailed way, long before I jumped in to clarify a few things that were brought up in my name. You are simply delusional if you think I instigated a derail.
Your anti-CTE sentiments surfaced many many posts before I commented.
I am sorry that you are threatened by real CTE.
You keep referencing CTE as having reference points that one simply adjust around. That is not the nature of CTE and you realize that so at opportune times you do your best subtly take real CTE down to a reference point level.
You are like so many. You do not want CTE to be what it is because it tears down your playhouse.
Stan Shuffett
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Nah, Bruce, it wouldn't make a difference. I said my piece, and my peace, for that matter. You recognize that when I do the "over and out" sign-off to a specific person's point, I really mean it.
The big kahuna was CTE, of course. And that specific debate is what got the term "system" to become the lightning rod (sorry, Tim, couldn't resist) that it became.
This invoked the term "HAMB" or the "Hit A Million Balls" system. "Feel" players. And of course Dr. Dave created his DAM method during this time frame, parody as it was. And so on, and so on....
I should have taken notes. The Ballad Of The CTE Wars might have been a hit
Yep, and if you watch this thread -- which is a shame it devolved into a CTE war thread, yet again, when it had nothing to do with CTE.
Watch -- it will soon devolve further into in-fighting. Get your popcorn ready.
-Sean
Again, in case people got lost in this thread and didn't see the original intent, here are the free clips available from Bob Jewett and I for your viewing pleasure (although, I can understand why people might instead be interested in watching yet another CTE "train wreck," with popcorn in hand):
NV E.1 - Fractional-Ball Aiming, from HAPS I
NV E.2 - Back-Hand (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE), from HAPS I
NV E.3 - Using "Gearing" Outside English to Eliminate Throw, from HAPS I
NV E.4 - Carom-Shot Trisect-Draw System, from HAPS II
NV E.5 - Combination Shot Throw Adjustment, from HAPS II
NV E.6 - Rail Cut Shot Aiming, w/ and w/o Sidespin, from HAPS II
NV E.7 - Mirror Kick-Shot Aiming System, from HAPS III
NV E.8 - 1/3-More-Than-Twice Bank-Shot Aiming System, from HAPS III
Again, these clips have nothing to do with CTE (any of the versions out there), SEE, 90/90, or any other pivot-based or other cut-shot "aiming system." They simply demonstrate clear and easy-to-understand pool common sense (and a few useful shot-making "systems" along the way).
Enjoy,
Dave
PS: Maybe the moderators need to create yet another sub-forum. Here's a suggested title: "CTE Flame Wars and Train Wrecks." Then all of this unpleasantness can be moved and buried even deeper.
NV E.1 - Fractional-Ball Aiming, from HAPS I
NV E.2 - Back-Hand (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE), from HAPS I
NV E.3 - Using "Gearing" Outside English to Eliminate Throw, from HAPS I
NV E.4 - Carom-Shot Trisect-Draw System, from HAPS II
NV E.5 - Combination Shot Throw Adjustment, from HAPS II
NV E.6 - Rail Cut Shot Aiming, w/ and w/o Sidespin, from HAPS II
NV E.7 - Mirror Kick-Shot Aiming System, from HAPS III
NV E.8 - 1/3-More-Than-Twice Bank-Shot Aiming System, from HAPS III
Again, these clips have nothing to do with CTE (any of the versions out there), SEE, 90/90, or any other pivot-based or other cut-shot "aiming system." They simply demonstrate clear and easy-to-understand pool common sense (and a few useful shot-making "systems" along the way).
Enjoy,
Dave
PS: Maybe the moderators need to create yet another sub-forum. Here's a suggested title: "CTE Flame Wars and Train Wrecks." Then all of this unpleasantness can be moved and buried even deeper.
Yes, and you incite your share of trouble with your very mean-spirited link to DAM which in a large way is and was directed at me and CTE PRO ONE.
But you are just fine here...civil and just..
Stan Shuffett
Stan, to be fair, while I never agree with mocking a technique if it has proven to be favored and popular amongst its practitioners, that's not what Dr. Dave was trying to do. He was trying to mock the MARKETING of said technique. What you read in the DAM intro paragraph were actual claims pulled from AZB, and before that, the Usenet news group rec.sport.billiards. I've seen those claims myself. So to answer your question of "Please list the claims about CTE that you think to be ridiculous," the answer is, "everything you read in that DAM paragraph."
I'm sorry to hear that offends you, but all of that was here on AZB at one time or another.
Have you ever read The Onion, Stan? It's satire, in case you haven't; it pokes fun at actual events where the "marketing" was over the top, and often creates fictitious news stories to further poke fun at previous events. (Come to think of it, if you find Dr. Dave's DAM intro "extremely offensive" -- which has 100% actual claims read here on AZB -- then maybe you shouldn't ever go to The Onion for your own protection.)
While I have a beef with Dr. Dave's "but-but-but I'm innocent in the CTE wars!" batting-his-eyelashes stance (which you've seen I have no bones pointing out here), I do know that his DAM intro paragraph is 100% accurate, even if we don't agree with Dr. Dave's satirical method.
There is a difference between making fun of / mocking a technique, vs. making fun of / mocking the marketing of said technique. Dr. Dave's doing the latter, not the former.
And I think you have a point that Dr. Dave is not speaking from a "learned" stance about CTE, and his page is inaccurate. But the problem is that the CTE proponents keep saying that his page is inaccurate, telling Dr. Dave that he's uninformed, without EVER showing what's the inaccurate information nor offering the needed corrections. In a way, the CTE proponents are their own worst enemy. No marketing is ever going to fix that.
-Sean
P.S.: before you wield the "but Sean, your post just goes to show how clueless you are about CTE" defense, please know that I'm a customer of yours in the spirit of being the complete cueing sports student I am. I want to learn everything, and have no bones about saying that I'm interested in learning CTE. I'd love to be the one to finally spell-out the actual math that proves CTE to be geometrically matched to the 2:1 dimensions of the pool table.
I am also sorry to here that the DAM "marketing claims" offend Stan. Many or those quotes and paraphrases appeared on RSB, BD CCB, and AZB long before Stan even arrived on the scene with his version of CTE.
Thank you for vouching for the following statement on the DAM page:
I certainly have no reason to lie about this.DAM said:
Well stated. I agree.
Again, well stated (and I agree).
Thank you,
Dave
Still, people have to do it with respect.....
This is failed logic! this is not applicable in the world of pool/billiards, due to the fact that players have different approach and methodology.
peace bro.
After reading this thread and others linked herein I quickly realized why I never come to this part of the forum. It's sad that something as seemingly innocuous as how to hit pool shots is the 3rd rail of topics on this forum.