Shocking 1st round results at Turning Stone

You have to be one of the most negative posters on here. You literally make this forum a worse place.
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Not really. Johnny is a pretty good guy. These days with the state of pool being what it is, the truth often sounds negative.

Johnny is old enuff to have seen pool in its hay day to what it has become. Can't blame a person in his shoes to become a bit disillusioned at times.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Not really. Johnny is a pretty good guy. These days with the state of pool being what it is, the truth often sounds negative.

Johnny is old enuff to have seen pool in its hay day to what it has become. Can't blame a person in his shoes to become a bit disillusioned at times.
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I agree, I only know Johnny T from this forum, and IMO he is a valuable member. He has led an interesting life and done well for himself through his work and racing greyhounds. He speaks his mind and there's nothing wrong with that. Keep on posting JohnnyT, and if you do get back into racing greyhounds, good luck with that!!
 
Not sure if it was seeded, but those scores are kinda suspect, of course I didn't see the brackets,
so don't know who they beat. Thats a lot of pros not playing other pros.... again, I didn't see the brackets,
maybe they did play other pros?

I do think that seeding players is actually wrong, if your a pro, that does not mean you
automatically should get special privileges in a tournament. Make them play each
other, and fight it out, don't intentionally put a shark with a minnow, that is just
BS in my opinion. I would never ever play in a seeded tournament, ever.......

I think it's as bad as rigging a tournament. That's just my opinion, but a tournament
is just that, a tournament. People should be matched up at random. If you get a match
with someone who is your speed, too bad, you now got to earn the win.
 
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Well, Cardiac said that as many times playing at Turning Stone, he has never seen it being seeded so that should be good enuff.

Yet seeing the first round scores, it does make one wonder

As Slinger also mentioned re Seeding. What happens when players get tired of playing in seeded tourneys. I guess that they stop supporting those tourneys and the pay outs get smaller.
 
I guess no one thinks that the tables might be breaking well? Is it winner breaks?

I mean for example at the Texas Open recently a lot of matches were won by lopsided scores due to large packages being run.
 
pletho said:
Not sure if it was seeded, but those scores are kinda suspect, of course I didn't see the brackets,
so don't know who they beat. Thats a lot of pros not playing other pros.... again, I didn't see the brackets,
maybe they did play other pros?

I do think that seeding players is actually wrong, if your a pro, that does not mean you
automatically should get special privileges in a tournament. Make them play each
other, and fight it out, don't intentionally put a shark with a minnow, that is just
BS in my opinion. I would never ever play in a seeded tournament, ever.......

I think it's as bad as rigging a tournament. That's just my opinion, but a tournament
is just that, a tournament. People should be matched up at random. If you get a match
with someone who is your speed, too bad, you now got to earn the win.
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I respect your opinion, but just about every other sport has seeded tournaments. And in the case of top pool players playing in a double elimination tournament, I'm not even sure that it would matter either way (if it were a 1 and out tournament, it may make a difference). Even if 2 non-professionals play each other in the first round, in which a non-professional is guaranteed to make it into the subsequent round(s). As soon as they match up against one of the pros, it's going to be game over for the non-professional. If the tournament is seeded, it makes it easier to cover the better matches.
 
I watched it live and the lesser players have had chances and just not took them

table isn't breaking easy, not too many I have seen having a shot after the break
 
Johnnyt said:
Yep, give the best players a couple of matches head start (seeded) on the rest of field. Makes sense to me. 9-0, 9-1, or 9-2...who wants to watch that? Most of the same guys going 0-2 or 1-2 and out every year. Most have not got a ball better in years, but still they come. Anyone ever tell them when you stop hitting your head against the wall it stops hurting, :rolleyes:. Johnnyt
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Joss Tour is *NEVER* seeded. In fact, one year, an unnamed pro from Texas raised hell at the Turning Stone because Zuglan wouldn't seed the pros. At that time, of course, the pros were wanting to grab as many BCA points as they could so they could be a member of the Mosconi Cup Team USA.

Mike never gave in and stuck to his guns. All players are created equal on the Joss Tour. :cool:
 
Scott Lee said:
Johnnyt...You don't get it. There are LOTS of guys who play well, and just want a chance to play against the world's best. Same thing as Derby City. You can't pay to golf with PGA champions; you can't pay to play baseball, basketball, soccer, or football with the pros. With pool, you can...that's what it's all about. Just because you don't have the balls to "step up", don't begrudge those that do. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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And they shouldn't be aloud to do it in pool either. It brings down the rest of the field. You should have to earn your way in just like in any other pro tournament. You just don't get to sign up to play in the US open championship for a reason.
 
PaulieB said:
If I were dead money playing Shaw, Shuff, or Kiamco and lost 9-2 I would be happy to tell everyone I knew about the time I beat that player 2 games. :) It is more games than anyone in this thread mocking the "dead money" have ever beat them.
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You wanna bet money on that?

You do not want to bet money on that.:nono:
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Not really. Johnny is a pretty good guy. These days with the state of pool being what it is, the truth often sounds negative.

Johnny is old enuff to have seen pool in its hay day to what it has become. Can't blame a person in his shoes to become a bit disillusioned at times.
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Hog,

Agree with your post. Just wish Johnny would have checked first before making the statement. Mike takes great pride in all of his events. Early on, some of the TD's Mike used did show favoritism at some events. Mostly allowing the "pro's" extra time to make matches when other players would have forfeited. Mike now runs a tight ship. To the best of my knowledge, no one gets treated better than the people who support his events on a regular basis. Of course I could be wrong!

Some of the lopsided scores are do to the wide disparity between skill levels of the players. There are some people playing who would be considered "bangers" by this forum. Even worse, "APA'ers". Add in the difficulty of the equipment and you have a recipe for slaughter.

Lyn
 
PaulieB said:
If I were dead money playing Shaw, Shuff, or Kiamco and lost 9-2 I would be happy to tell everyone I knew about the time I beat that player 2 games. :) It is more games than anyone in this thread mocking the "dead money" have ever beat them.
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False. You must not get out much.
 
trob said:
And they shouldn't be aloud to do it in pool either. It brings down the rest of the field. You should have to earn your way in just like in any other pro tournament. You just don't get to sign up to play in the US open championship for a reason.
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In the US Open in pool you get to just sign up. I think every Open should be exactly that.

BUT

I believe that there should be qualifying rounds where you have to earn your spot.

I think every sport that has Open tournaments should be truly OPEN to any person or team that wants to sign up and compete.

But in order to get into the main event they have to prove they belong there.
 
JB Cases said:
In the US Open in pool you get to just sign up. I think every Open should be exactly that.

BUT

I believe that there should be qualifying rounds where you have to earn your spot.

I think every sport that has Open tournaments should be truly OPEN to any person or team that wants to sign up and compete.

But in order to get into the main event they have to prove they belong there.
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If you have to win a qualifier it's not truly a open


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cardiac kid said:
Hog,

Agree with your post. Just wish Johnny would have checked first before making the statement. Mike takes great pride in all of his events. Early on, some of the TD's Mike used did show favoritism at some events. Mostly allowing the "pro's" extra time to make matches when other players would have forfeited. Mike now runs a tight ship. To the best of my knowledge, no one gets treated better than the people who support his events on a regular basis. Of course I could be wrong!

Some of the lopsided scores are do to the wide disparity between skill levels of the players. There are some people playing who would be considered "bangers" by this forum. Even worse, "APA'ers". Add in the difficulty of the equipment and you have a recipe for slaughter.

Lyn
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You are right. I should have checked first, but went by what a few said before I posted. I know who JAM is talking about and I also believe JohnnyA and his group tried to push seeding at the Stone one year to no avail. Johnnyt
 
Seeding is the dumbest thing ever in an event. And I don't think Zuglan would ever seed an event, someone god bad info here.

Blowouts are because it's 9 ball and not 10 ball. Lots of packages happen in 9 ball by top tier players.
 
Johnnyt said:
You are right. I should have checked first, but went by what a few said before I posted. I know who JAM is talking about and I also believe JohnnyA and his group tried to push seeding at the Stone one year to no avail. Johnnyt
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I believe you are correct ,, there's lots of pros that believe that even in regional tours ,, personally since I only enter a certain amount of tourneys I wish they would so I'm guaranteed a shot at a top player right off the batt ,,
The pros wanted so they don't catch a top player early ,, funny how that works,,

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