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Cue construction
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In the immortal words of Bob Uecker's character, just a biiit outtsideee.
Wrong. Bill might not have been telling me the truth but I can't possibly know it any more than I know if Eric's numbers are accurate. I choose to believe both of them.
Just like I choose to believe Kaz Miki, Nelson Tsai, Royce Bunnell and the many others I know in this business whom over 25 years have shared their knowledge and open their shops.
What exactly have you contributed to the questions posed? You opinion that no modern production cue is as good as 80's Schon and Adam cues.
Sounds like the opinion of a hack with a bias to me.
I will put my trust in guys who have far more knowledge and experience than you Joey.
Which one of them said the production cues today are more consistent than the 80's Schon and Adam in playability ? NOT 40 or 50 years ago, 25 YEARS AGO.
And if they did, they can't prove it . PLAYABILITY iS SUBJECTIVE.
Hello.
Your opinion is biased as you worked for a factory. And you're in China where they produce millions of production cues.
I have no bias . My bias is I shot with those cues at a friend's house and seeing Runde-era blanks with really dense maple. I've shot with another older Schon that had nerves in it. That was before they changed the joint.
The Schon of the late 80's and 90's are coveted by collectors and players.
The ebony full-slice Adam was a monster too. It'd cost too much to make now I think.
If you don't think they are not MORE CONSISTENT IN PLAYABILITY than the production cues today, so be it .
That's your opinion.
If you think the cored and sectional Mezz now HIT BETTER than the ebony full-splice Adam, THAT'S YOUR OPINION. NOT A FACT.
Your story about 300 out of 6,000 shafts is the one I referred as just a bit outside. Sorry, I ain't debating it and don't believe it . If it's true, it's even worse b/c it reflects bad on the supplier .
Is SW now better than SW 25 years ago ?
Big pin Tad players' have been out for decades. Is the new one going to be better .
AND IN YOU'RE REALLY INCLINED TO DO IT.
Prove to me Mezz today have better resonance and feel than the full-splce Adam cue.
Then prove to me Pechauer cues have better resonance and feel the Runde-era Schon.
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Son don't get bent out of shape.
This is what you said.
You made a definitive statement about a subjective topic.
If you can't handle some dissent with your opinion and the way you expressed it then don't comment.
And again since you're reading and cognitive impaired. The comment was that it takes 60,000 dowels to obtain 300 AA grade shafts. Now what's AA grade to you? What is is to Kao Kao? You don't know. So therefore you don't know the context that the statement was made under.
One of your friends took the tour as well. You should ask him before concluding that your ignorance of facts is enough to make you skeptical of statements where you have no experience.
Attachments
Meaning , you have no proof .
And more spin from you because you're stuck.
I think you've been a communist too long.
Nice quote on Chris.
He was talking coring. Not playability .
Looks like your reading needs help.
You gonna quote the pope next ?
Nice dowel story . Cow poop.
And more spin from you because you're stuck.
I think you've been a communist too long.
Nice quote on Chris.
He was talking coring. Not playability .
Looks like your reading needs help.
You gonna quote the pope next ?
Nice dowel story . Cow poop.
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the quote from chris was part of the screenshot. it was your comment I was referring to.
I can certainly prove anything I have said if need be. are you willing to put some money where your mouth is?
I don't think so.
as for resonance...... tell me Joey what is the resonance of a pool cue and how does it affect how the cue plays. what is the optimal resonance for a cue. what resonance did the 80s schons have? were they all the same? how about those Adam cues?
the only bullshit artist here is you. Bob Runde was an instrument maker before becoming a cue maker. what were you?
many fine cue makers probably can't play the radio.... I suppose in your "opinion" any cue maker not choosing wood on tonal quality isn't much of a cuemaker. that about sum it up?
please reconcile these
It is said the woods were better back when,in the day etc
It is said here that the schons of the 80s were better than they are now
it is said that the old south west cues were better
then it is said the glues and technology is better today so the cues are better
it is said that cnc produces more accurate points
while it is said that sharp points are better than the cnc milled to play with
I doubt that most of these things can be proved
I would bet no one on here could tell the difference of hit,play or even identity of the old sw and the new in a blindtest
I would make the same bet on Runde era ,Evan era cues in a blind test
Runde still makes sharp points and tells me that the type of points has nothing to do with the play
I have had probably 50 to 100 sw cues,played with Jerry's personal cue and plenty of new ones and
I can not tell the difference
They are made the same way,oh the finish or linen may be a little different
The only thing I can feel safe in asserting is that john Barton probably knows
as much as anyone responding,makes good arguments,speaks with more experience and I make him 3to 2 favorite to get kicked off the forum if this thing continues another 3 weeks
my $300 to your $200
If John's best friend warns him,your bet is still on as I will bet another $100
that he won't quit as long as some nit wit eggs him on
PS ...i am not suggesting that anyone so far is the nit wit
i am just referring to the future possibility or probability of
such an occurance
also I will cover $100 from John himself that he will not get out of line
It is said the woods were better back when,in the day etc
It is said here that the schons of the 80s were better than they are now
it is said that the old south west cues were better
then it is said the glues and technology is better today so the cues are better
it is said that cnc produces more accurate points
while it is said that sharp points are better than the cnc milled to play with
I doubt that most of these things can be proved
I would bet no one on here could tell the difference of hit,play or even identity of the old sw and the new in a blindtest
I would make the same bet on Runde era ,Evan era cues in a blind test
Runde still makes sharp points and tells me that the type of points has nothing to do with the play
I have had probably 50 to 100 sw cues,played with Jerry's personal cue and plenty of new ones and
I can not tell the difference
They are made the same way,oh the finish or linen may be a little different
The only thing I can feel safe in asserting is that john Barton probably knows
as much as anyone responding,makes good arguments,speaks with more experience and I make him 3to 2 favorite to get kicked off the forum if this thing continues another 3 weeks
my $300 to your $200
If John's best friend warns him,your bet is still on as I will bet another $100
that he won't quit as long as some nit wit eggs him on
PS ...i am not suggesting that anyone so far is the nit wit
i am just referring to the future possibility or probability of
such an occurance
also I will cover $100 from John himself that he will not get out of line
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More spin from the man who was caught cheating
on camera and by witnesses.
Simple question , no answer.
" I could tell you , but I'd have to kill you."
Speaking of slime-ball con artists, there was this case maker who sold cases at a back of a truck at below retail all over the place after securing dealership. Thereby cutting down his own dealers.
on camera and by witnesses.
Simple question , no answer.
" I could tell you , but I'd have to kill you."
Speaking of slime-ball con artists, there was this case maker who sold cases at a back of a truck at below retail all over the place after securing dealership. Thereby cutting down his own dealers.
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I think so too ( 25 yr old models ).
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Haha. More reaching from a hack. If it weren't for az billiards no one outside your zip code would know your name and most players inside it wouldn't either.
You find any example of me cheating at anything on camera then you can have $10,000 in cash.
As for selling cases out of the back of vehicles.....pal I would sell my cases from the back of a donkey if that's what it took. I promise you I have logged more miles selling cases than you have spent in hours making cues. But then that isn't hard considering you put out about five cues a year. Probably because you are spending all your time getting intimate with the wood.
You probably feel like an elite cuemaker because you make so few. Really what you are is a hack who knows deep down that you are a poser who just happened to be around two Cuemakers who had skills you won't ever get close to.
You are a disgrace to the person you call mentor. The world would have been better off if we had him to talk to instead of you. He would most assuredly be ashamed of you if he were alive. IMO of course.
And still no proof from the communist.
Oh, talking to an advanced one-pocket player often before shooting=cheating.
No matter how you spin it like he was just a cheerleader .
Undermining your dealer=slimy.
Oh, talking to an advanced one-pocket player often before shooting=cheating.
No matter how you spin it like he was just a cheerleader .
Undermining your dealer=slimy.
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Proof of what? That you're a hack.... That's just my opinion based on your words, displayed ignorance and your hobby cues.
Of course according to you and Dale and Baby Huey....opinions need not be based in anything and are not contestable..... So you're a hack IMO...no proof required.
The communist slime ball is stuck.
Spin, spin, spin.
Spin, spin, spin.
More name calling? Come on Joey you can do better.
Here I found you some great old wood with amazing tonal quality.
Want me to sneak back to the playground and harvest some for you?
Yawn.
The communist slime ball is stuck.
You can harvest that wood for your shafts .
Spin, spin, spin.
The communist slime ball is stuck.
You can harvest that wood for your shafts .
Spin, spin, spin.
I would have yo dismantle the playground and wouldn't find one shaft good enough for a Fury cue but I am pretty sure you would try and sell it to your customers as reclaimed old wood.
You probably portray yourself as the wood whisperer.
Want me to give you Kaz Miki's phone number so you can tell him personally that the cues he builds now are not as good as what his father built in the 80s?
I am sure he would be quite pleased To get your expert advice on how to build cues.
The debate was done when Royce posted.
Everything after that is just entertainment.
You making a mockery of the forum is what happened. Do you realize that you hold an opinion that we can't change? Do you realize Joey holds an opinion you can't change? No you don't, and that's the problem. You've lost this debate by not realizing that a persons perception of what a pool cue should feel like when hit forms their opinion. Their opinion is that's the best feel, so best construction. You're trying to take the feel out of a cue and only focus on the engineering. A lot of people dislike Mezz because of how stiff the cues hit, which is directly related to the construction. Why don't you call those people out too?
The feels man, gotta remember them feels.