LOL
Really bizarre and spooky post. Comes across as post of a cuckoo. This is the part where we leave this poster alone cos we do not want to provoke him.
Muahahahaha :grin:
Congratulations Shane-world pool masters champ
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LOL
Really bizarre and spooky post. Comes across as post of a cuckoo. This is the part where we leave this poster alone cos we do not want to provoke him.
Muahahahaha :grin:
Logic was never a part of the history of pocket billiards and the multiple governing bodies, so the head scratching when confronted with it is never a surprise.
US open is not comparable to the world 9 ball champion how is that not obvious? world 9 ball has best players from all over world, US open under Behrman leadership has been sinking in recent years and player field has gotten weaker and weaker hell the china open is much stronger so no there is no comparsion.
btw a great feat by svb winning it 4 times and he is world class player but I don't understand why you don't get the facts of the other events the WPA events and why svb does have a monkey on his back
just to add more fuel to the fire does it matter that svb had a really easy run to the final of world masters? avoided all the big dogs
Every snooker tournament is a world title, then. Great news for Jimmy White, I guess.
Shane isn't a world champion. If you can't understand that or simply aren't willing to accept it then we may as well stop having this discussion. Your views are clearly wrapped in fantasy.
I think Shane will win a world title. He's too good a player not to. But he hasn't won one yet. A handful of US Open titles won't change that fact.
All this bickering reminded me of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sKdDyyanGk
And also a line from Meatballs.
"It JUST doesn't matter"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sKdDyyanGk
And also a line from Meatballs.
"It JUST doesn't matter"
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Just give it up... I did...
Just ignore the haters, it won't matter what Shane does... He could win the next four world championships in a row and the same people will come up with some argument why he's not the best in the world.
It'll be something along the lines of "Well pool's been dropping off in popularity so there's less incentive for people to put in the effort and his competition isn't as tough as it has been for past world champs"...
Or it will be "Yeah but you haven't seen the players that don't travel from [insert country] that shoot better than anyone".
It won't matter, they hate because they're haters... Before Shane, Efren was my favorite player, nationality or what have you has nothing to do with who I think is the best player. Now Shane is the best player because he dominates and is a favorite to win almost anything he plays in Just like Efren has been in the past.
Jaden
Just ignore the haters, it won't matter what Shane does... He could win the next four world championships in a row and the same people will come up with some argument why he's not the best in the world.
It'll be something along the lines of "Well pool's been dropping off in popularity so there's less incentive for people to put in the effort and his competition isn't as tough as it has been for past world champs"...
Or it will be "Yeah but you haven't seen the players that don't travel from [insert country] that shoot better than anyone".
It won't matter, they hate because they're haters... Before Shane, Efren was my favorite player, nationality or what have you has nothing to do with who I think is the best player. Now Shane is the best player because he dominates and is a favorite to win almost anything he plays in Just like Efren has been in the past.
Jaden
the literal definition of "US Open Champion" is US Open Champion - no more, no less.
It's different in snooker though, when comparing greats that haven't won a world title.
That's because winning a world title in snooker will rarely (if ever) come down to rolls. That's because each match (especially the finals) are long enough to allow luck to even out.
Where as in a single elimination race to 11 pool tournament, a player can get rolls in their favor that leads to them winning. Of course they have to play great as well, but luck is a bigger factor in pool than in snooker.
So I agree that you can't put someone like Jimmy alongside those you mentioned, because he never played well enough to win a world title. But it's silly for anyone to say Shane isn't alongside guys like Niels and Darren.
I'm like 95% sure this past US Open was the only one sanctioned by the WPA that Shane has won.
there is no haters, all I hear are people correcting the shane supporters committee members that he has still not won a world championship which is facts
nobody is not saying they do not expect him to not or that he has the aility and he is currently one of the best players in the world probably been top 3 last 2/3 years
however calm down in his praise he cant be mentioned in the same breath as efren or earl yet because what he has won does not correlate. he is on course too and I hope he does he is a great model for the game but just chill out on the exaggerated praise and we will all get along
I think the thing I struggle with understanding is the way pool (in this case the WPA) defines a world champion. If you look at other top tier sports ... golf, tennis, and Formula 1 (something I know you Europeans certainly can respect), the world champion is not defined by an event. The world champion is defined by the athlete with the most points at the end of the year. And all of the major pro events carry even weight. And there are far smarter (and more successful) people governing those sports.
That is what I disagree with ... The way the WPA defines a world champion in my opinion is flawed and their points system is flawed. When Federer or Schumacher finished a year number one, there was no argument who was number one. The fact that we are having this meaningless argument is a proof point that many of us disagree with the WPA's designation.
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Here is an indisputable fact for all of the idiots saying that Shane isn't the best in the world:
Take any tournament, doesn't matter where it's played, what the race is, break format, etc....It could be the "All Japan World Overseas Masters Open Classic Invitational European United States Asian 9-Ball Championship" and Shane would be the betting favorite. I'm not saying that from MY standpoint, I'm saying that from a sportsbook standpoint. And that's for all tourneys. If you put Shane in any field around the world right now in a rotation tourney then he is going to be the betting favorite . FACT
Now, take any gambling race in 9 or 10-ball and make it any length, break format, etc...and Shane will again be the betting favorite. FACT
I know that some of you will say that Ko and Chang or Yang or Pang or "Insert another Asian" are just as good, but Shane will be the betting favorite if they match up.
Obviously, the longer the race the more Shane is the favorite just because the variance is reduced, but he's still gonna be the favorite even if it's a race to 2.
THAT makes him the best in the world.
Take any tournament, doesn't matter where it's played, what the race is, break format, etc....It could be the "All Japan World Overseas Masters Open Classic Invitational European United States Asian 9-Ball Championship" and Shane would be the betting favorite. I'm not saying that from MY standpoint, I'm saying that from a sportsbook standpoint. And that's for all tourneys. If you put Shane in any field around the world right now in a rotation tourney then he is going to be the betting favorite . FACT
Now, take any gambling race in 9 or 10-ball and make it any length, break format, etc...and Shane will again be the betting favorite. FACT
I know that some of you will say that Ko and Chang or Yang or Pang or "Insert another Asian" are just as good, but Shane will be the betting favorite if they match up.
Obviously, the longer the race the more Shane is the favorite just because the variance is reduced, but he's still gonna be the favorite even if it's a race to 2.
THAT makes him the best in the world.
'Seriously get off your bs already, gambling & being a so called favorite in a match does NOT prove who the best in the world is. For starters not every player gambles so already you can't actually provide factual proof of your theory.
Get over it, your boy at this time is NOT a world champion & this is pure fact that you & all of his die hard supporters can't deny end of story. Next....
P.S. Funny you mention how much of a fact it is that he would be the favorite. You probably believe that all pros feel that way too. Funny I can recall at a recent tournament before SVB & Ko matched up, Shaw was in the booth & said that SVB was not the favorite in that matchup when he was asked. I don't know, I have a suspicion he is a better judge as being a pro himself compared to you, just saying...
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as always, you're an idiot.
I've noticed your posts go mostly ignored, the logic is too great. Well said.
Other points ignored....
-20+ countries represented in us open, but because it's called " us open" it isn't considered taking on a field like the "world championship"
-Bustamante never won a us open, but he is in hall of fame and never mentioned as monkey on his back and career won't be complete without it.
-according to naysayers Shane needs to win only one tournament to be a world champ. Everything else is secondary. So what one race does a formula one driver need to win to be world champ? What tennis tournament needs to be won to be a world champ?
-Shane is on pace to finish year as number one in points ranking. That is without Euro tour too. How is he not considered best in world if he does it?
WPA ranking points ARE earned in the US Open and Shane is 2nd in the WPA rankings, trailing only the WPA World 9-ball champion. If you are focusing on the eye test, Niels is not just the World 9-ball Champion but the reigning MVP at the Mosconi. To me, the WPA system IS giving Shane his due and he is right where he wants to be ---- is in the thick of the race for #1.
FYI, less than 5% of Niels' ranking points come from his participation in Eurotour events. For decades, there was a WPA sanctioned men's tour in America in which WPA ranking points could be earned. The absence of such a tour today certainly doesn't help Shane in his quest for WPA #1, but it is a pretty minor factor.
Mark my words, Shane, whose failure to win a World 9-ball championship at the age of 31 is a "so what" to me, will be the WPA #1 at some point. Niels didn't win his first World 9-ball championship until he was 37, and we know how special a player he is.
Shane will win a WPA World 9-ball Championship --- I'm absolutely sure of it.
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I'm not going to continnue this argument except to say this..
People are NOT correcting that Shane is not a world champion, they're bringing up any excuse they can come up with to deny that he's the best rotation pool player on the planet right now.
When he was dominating in the US and someone would point that out with the additional opinion that he was the best player in the world right now, they would point out that he hadn't won anything overseas. When he wins something overseas, it's, (which I predicted would happen BTW), "Yeah, but he's not a world champion, regardless if the title he won was an international event and has world in the title".
When he wins an "official" world title it WILL be something else that people come up with to deny that he's the best player in the world, until eventually age will have caught up with him and he won't be the best player any more, then it will be "See, I told you he isn't the best player in the world".
So I'm choosing to just ignore the haters, aside from that last post and this one. I won't feed the trolls any more. The saddest thing is that they are mostly just America haters, not Shane haters. They either have so much national pride that they can't admit that their (insert whatever country here) doesn't have the best player right now or they can't stand that the U.S. does...
Jaden
People are NOT correcting that Shane is not a world champion, they're bringing up any excuse they can come up with to deny that he's the best rotation pool player on the planet right now.
When he was dominating in the US and someone would point that out with the additional opinion that he was the best player in the world right now, they would point out that he hadn't won anything overseas. When he wins something overseas, it's, (which I predicted would happen BTW), "Yeah, but he's not a world champion, regardless if the title he won was an international event and has world in the title".
When he wins an "official" world title it WILL be something else that people come up with to deny that he's the best player in the world, until eventually age will have caught up with him and he won't be the best player any more, then it will be "See, I told you he isn't the best player in the world".
So I'm choosing to just ignore the haters, aside from that last post and this one. I won't feed the trolls any more. The saddest thing is that they are mostly just America haters, not Shane haters. They either have so much national pride that they can't admit that their (insert whatever country here) doesn't have the best player right now or they can't stand that the U.S. does...
Jaden
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