Any word from Dennis Searing....

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JoeyInCali said:
I have seen the man work.
He is the greatest cue maker of all time imo.
He makes hall of famers' work look like high school projects sometimes .

If Dennis were a knife maker or a pistol smith , he'd be a lot richer .
Unfortunately, he's a wood worker who makes functional art.

Dennis' biggest problems are he's a perfectionist and too many flippers bug him.They all have nice sob stories and when they get the cues, they flip them like a burger patty for a dollar more .
Dennis is always engineering his cues to be better.

Don't kid yourself , nobody builds a better cue .
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All this is meaningless if the person doesn't have integrity.

He's held onto MY cue (in for simple repair that turned out to big repair according to him) since 2006 and have broken every promise to have the cue returned to me.

He's turned my "joy" of owning a Searing cue into a bitter "taste".
 
give him an ultimatum to return the cue immediately or you will press charges with the police. even if he knows likely nothing will happen it isnt worth the time he will spend talking his way out of it if he can.
 
There is no cue on the planet worth waiting a year or more for. Those cues are for suckers, not players.
 
deanoc said:
i was told i was no 1 on the list over 7 years ago
his reputation was challenged and he called me a few years ago and promised to get right on the cue

he did neither
i consider him a liar,not a man of his word

other than wil prouts box cue,i have never seen a cue of his that was anything to shout about
i have no more interest in getting a cue or pretending there is something great about them

many have expressed similar opinions in private

let his groupies say what they will
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No disrespect to you but one of the first times I talked to him about getting on his list he mentioned how sick and tired he was of flippers.

You are known to maybe sell a cue or two.

But come on Dean. Don't be one of those guys who bashes a maker because they won't build a cue for you. We're all just kidding ourselves if anyone said his work wasn't better than everyone else's.

But I'm sure you have some 'hidden gem' of a cuemaker that could Dennis the 5. :cool:

I'm going to have him inlay my name into mine when my name is up.

We've talked every so often since I went on the list. I get a reply fairly quick actually. Way quicker than a lot of cuemakers to be honest.

I sent him some AWESOME wood that I can't wait to see put to use

JumpinJoe said:
There is no cue on the planet worth waiting a year or more for. Those cues are for suckers, not players.
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You serious?
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His best customers are two of the biggest flippers on here....oh wait...there dealers....thats ok:grin:
 
a maker has to decide which he wants.. to sell to wholesalers or retail.
if he is on top of his product he knows what it is worth. if he sells it too cheap and someone resells that just shows incompetence in knowing his product and costs him money if he wants to get the full retail price when he sells.

if he decides to sell below market price he has no reason to not expect people to resell if they want to.

if he wants to sell to only people that will keep his cue forever then he should sell it at the price he wants and engrave the persons name deeply in it to help destroy the full value.

nothing wrong with a waiting list. but a lot wrong with not keeping in contact or not finishing cues you already have in your possession.
 
cuedoctor said:
His best customers are two of the biggest flippers on here....oh wait...there dealers....thats ok:grin:
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They aren't selling the hell out of their Searings by the look of things.

How often do you see a newer one for sale....
 
The low number of cues he produces CREATES "flippers"..... It's simple supply and demand economics, in a low supply/high demand market, flipping or up selling is what happens. Is Dennis going broke because some people are making a few bucks selling his cues? Boo-f'ing-hoo.
 
Woof Biscuit said:
I saw Dennis on Monday. He's doing just fine.
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That's great....I hope he is doing well also...nobody is wishing or hoping he is doing anything other than great. He is a talented cuemaker and he can run his business anyway he pleases....and I hope all those who think they are on a list get there cues. I'm waiting for one of those 3D printers to evolve and just get a searing from one of them:grin:
 
if you are willing to wait ten years or more for one why not just buy one off the market for whatever now. as then you get it and use it and by the time he makes it it will cost you much more than you can imagine.
 
maha said:
if you are willing to wait ten years or more for one why not just buy one off the market for whatever now. as then you get it and use it and by the time he makes it it will cost you much more than you can imagine.
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You assume they want the cue to use it and not flip it. If you want to flip a cue you don't want to pay retail, you want it directly from the maker.

When you see in the wanted/for sale section a thread titled "brand new Szamboti " - that's the guy you should be upset with if you have to wait years for your cue.
 
He wants to make cues for someone who's going
to play with it, not for someone who immediately
sells it for a profit.

He told me that he didn't mind someone selling it
down the road after several years of use. He
compared it to someone buying a car and then
selling or trading it for another 6 or 8 years later.
 
JoeyInCali said:
I have seen the man work.
He is the greatest cue maker of all time imo.
He makes hall of famers' work look like high school projects sometimes .

If Dennis were a knife maker or a pistol smith , he'd be a lot richer .
Unfortunately, he's a wood worker who makes functional art.

Dennis' biggest problems are he's a perfectionist and too many flippers bug him.They all have nice sob stories and when they get the cues, they flip them like a burger patty for a dollar more .
Dennis is always engineering his cues to be better.

Don't kid yourself , nobody builds a better cue .
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Joey again your prospective of the World is out of proportion with the real World. Many many great pistol smiths , and knife makers have the same apparent problem as the “S”. Poor customer service, or too much competition to make a decent living.

The world is flooded with good, great, and excellent Cuemakers. But IMHO the Cue is only a tool like a pocket knife, and not everyone can turn a chunk of bass wood into art by caring it with a pocket knife.

Ever hear of Chuck Roger, aka Roger Precision, or Action by “T” the famous Teddy Jacobson two great smith, neither is living well off, or driving a new Mercedes every year. But both are top dog in there field.

I do not know what your personal criterial is Joey for calling the “S” the Best. “nobody builds a better cue”

But if I recall years ago you were in love with some guys work in So. Cal who sign his Cues with a “Z”.

IMHO there are no magic Cue, just people who make a Cue do magical thing with their skill.

Think Mr. “S” needs to concentrate on customer service, that IMHO is as important as make a Cue in demand.

Mr. "S" may suffer from the same syndrome many artist suffer from, great art, but poor business practices. Not uncommon amoung some of the photogrsapher who use to be affailated with my old Photo News Agency. Took grat images, and would forget to submit bill for day rate, expenses, etc.

Again JMHO.
 
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flipper talk is meaningless

i asked him how much to make me a box cue
he said $3800

i said i want a $6000 one

he said ok you are next

who tried to buy wholesale?

the fact is he is a liar i don't want one of his cues any longer

even if some people think they are the best

i am not one who thinks much of them,most i have seen are not any nicer than
any of a group of cue makers i buy from
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Joey again your prospective of the World is out of proportion with the real World. Many many great pistol smiths , and knife makers have the same apparent problem as the “S”. Poor customer service, or too much competition to make a decent living.

The world is flooded with good, great, and excellent Cuemakers. But IMHO the Cue is only a tool like a pocket knife, and not everyone can turn a chunk of bass wood into art by caring it with a pocket knife.

Ever hear of Chuck Roger, aka Roger Precision, or Action by “T” the famous Teddy Jacobson two great smith, neither is living well off, or driving a new Mercedes every year. But both are top dog in there field.

I do not know what your personal criterial is Joey for calling the “S” the Best. “nobody builds a better cue”

But if I recall years ago you were in love with some guys work in So. Cal who sign his Cues with a “Z”.

IMHO there are no magic Cue, just people who make a Cue do magical thing with their skill.

Think Mr. “S” needs to concentrate on customer service, that IMHO is as important as make a Cue in demand.

Mr. "S" may suffer from the same syndrome many artist suffer from, great art, but poor business practices. Not uncommon amoung some of the photogrsapher who use to be affailated with my old Photo News Agency. Took grat images, and would forget to submit bill for day rate, expenses, etc.

Again JMHO.
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Well, I can think of Chris Reeve and think of no cue maker even close to being as wealthy as that guy . Even the new guys like Medford and Brous can afford to open up a loaded facility . Maybe in the hundreds of thousands , if not in the million , worth of equipment .
I knew of a local pistol/gunsmith who had a store and a ton of work .
Rogers might be a great pistol smith. So, is Wilson or Heinie. Both millionaires now afaik.
You don't get the part where wood takes a lot longer time to finish into a product than steel.
You can contest my opinion that nobody builds a better cue as much as you want . And you won't win that contest b/c you don't have enough knowledge on how cues are built.
Nobody built a better knife than Loveless too imo. You wanna contest that ?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Well, I can think of Chris Reeve and think of no cue maker even close to being as wealthy as that guy . Even the new guys like Medford and Brous can afford to open up a loaded facility . Maybe in the hundreds of thousands , if not in the million , worth of equipment .
I knew of a local pistol/gunsmith who had a store and a ton of work .
Rogers might be a great pistol smith. So, is Wilson or Heinie. Both millionaires now afaik.
You don't get the part where wood takes a lot longer time to finish into a product than steel.
You can contest my opinion that nobody builds a better cue as much as you want . And you won't win that contest b/c you don't have enough knowledge on how cues are built.
Nobody built a better knife than Loveless too imo. You wanna contest that ?
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Joey your hero "S"uperman apparently makes an OK cue, but people seem to have problem with his customer service. Like I said there is more to being a Cuemaker Businessman than turning wood.

Having worked in both Wood & Machine Shops wood is more unpredictable than metal.

But good customer service, communication is key to being good at anything.
 
Chances are very good that if you keep buying from one-man shops with years wait and poor follow throgh...you will get burned good. Johnnyt
 
flippers would not be in business and he would not have to hate them so much if he just priced his cues at the price the flippers get which is retail price.
or he would have a friend be the middle man and let him sell all the cues for retail if he didnt want the extra money.
 
I read afew replys, and the only reason people are willing to wait ten years and still pay when the time comes is bc they can re-sell fairly quick, even without a markup, so Mr.Searing saying hes tired of flippers is BS, and so is everyone knocking him or the buyers. it is what it is, nobody is waiting ten years behind a phone, people live their lives, if the money is there they buy, if not, theres someone a call away willing to. personally, i don't think the maney or wait is worth it, so im not on the list, but id someone is willing to be, so be it. who gives a shit. Its wood.
 
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