Could Stan clarify this statement in his video

[CJ Wiley]

it's best to have a working knowledge of something before criticizing it

I'm not sure why you insist on speaking about things you know so little of....you say I have a great imagination, but you seem to live in a fantasy world.

We don't have "backers" - there have been some "fired and hired" over the years, however, as a rule I travel with partners and we both put up all the gambling money. Strong Arm John matched me up with Vivian, and some guys in New Orleans. There's now talk of him matching me up with "Scooter's crew," with no "backers" involved.

So you're not a player, not really a teacher, not a gambler?

Just a "CJ Critic" - very nice, let me know how that turns out for you......can you at least post any pictures of yourself, or videos of you actually playing pool.......you do play pool somewhere or do you just have a bar table in your basement?

As far as you saying "TOI doesn't work" and you have no experience....well, that's not very informative, again, it's best to have a working knowledge of something before criticizing it.......here's what players that actually use TOI have to say:

CJ I'm a long time pool player and I recently purchased the TOI video. The biggest thing I've taken from a single viewing is my awareness of exact cueing. I used to give little attention to how much English I'd apply to the CB and as you might expect I've never reached a super high level of consistent play. Just two days into using TOI my game is literally changing more drastically than I could have imagined. I'm much more deliberate in my cueing and am using inside with confidence for the first time in my life. In the past the deflection always scared me but I'm learning that as long as I pay attention to exactly where I strike the cue ball that I can predict how much the cue ball will deflect each time. I'm a huge banks player and am already seeing a huge difference in my consistency there as well. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It's been more valuable than any of the lessons that I've taken over the years. Best regards, Joey

I just finished watching TOI videos By CJ Wiley! I was amazed by the way he explained things! I know his new video will help me improve my pool game!! I am thankful for him sharing his knowledge..I get to benefit from him putting in countless hours on the pool table..learning from trial and error! If it wasn't for pros like CJ sharing his knowledge I would never learn as fast as I am now! Being a mother of two I don't have the time it takes to perfect my game without much needed help! Definitely well worth it! Sarah Kline

Hi CJ, I have been using your TOI for about 4 hours. Remember now that I am just an old banger, well I would normally run 2 or 3 balls. Just today I ran 29 balls using your system. I will never be a road player or a shortstop but I will be beating the people I usually play with. I have tried so many systems and this one really works, I would post this on AZ but they would probably find something wrong...Thanks again and GOD bless you. Robert

I have been practicing the TOi for 3 weeks. I was starting to trust it more and more. I was using it on some shots and others my old aiming style. Sat we had a ring game. I usually fair well in them. You know the gig, how often you come into the game with a tough shot. TOI cured that nonsense. Well i put TOI on the main stage and went on a killer string of 9 wins in a row. It was amazing. Shot after shot after shot dropped in the pocket and JAws were dropping as i was stringing close to an hour of runs together. The confidence of the stroke was amazing followed by the confidence i gained in the ease of the aiming choices. I have to say thanks for this great addition to the pool world. Now if you can please stop spreading the word. LAffin. The sad thing is none of my buddies will ever take the time to learn anything new. Good for me and yet SAD. Patrick

1. Never said you weren't a good player, have said just the opposite many times. But, no idea who I am, yet you are going to give me that spot? Your backers must have made all your games for you, because you sure don't know how to.
2. Nope, what's that got to do with teaching? Have won local majors, not national majors.
3.Nope, smart enough not to play them. Never claimed to be a top player. Again, what's that got to do with teaching??
4. Teaching credentials? Yep. Was nationaly certified. Unlike self-certified like you. You tube videos? yep. Articles written? yep don't do blogs. Why ask for written material to impress when you don't have any yourself? All you have is your posts on here. As many attest to, not very impressive when it comes to putting things in words. Guess that is why you always have to add pictures. Im also not the one, like you are, that said "what I do is above what science knows about physics".

You were a great player CJ, one of the best. Still play better than most on here ever will. That does not equate to knowing what you are talking about when it comes to teaching. Has very little to do with it. I have science to back up 90+% of what I say, you have only your imagination. You even claim that science is wrong when it comes to what you do on the table.

Going by the claims you want to make, no one should teach except top players. We all know that is absurd at best. So, why even state what you did, except to try and puff up your ego a little more? Why do you refer to TOI as YOUR method, when you didn't even invent it? It has been around a lot longer than you have. And, using inside on some shots is common among all decent players.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Figures the same birds would come home to roost.

Ducky, instead of your typical hit and run statements, tell us, if you saw CJ would you tell him this to his face?

And you are nothing more than a has been that's trying to re live the good ole glory days.

It also seems to me Stan doesn't have a clue hoe CTE works since now there is a curved, arc, or bow line now, which of course is totally objective. What's next?

 

[Neil]

You say you take offense to my reference to omniscience yet you continually & incorrectly assume much.

I take offense to very much that you say regarding me as you want me to do. We know what that is.

I have been advised by AZB personnel that I should Ignore YOU or words to that effect. I think that is a bit telling. I also think that it is sound advice & perhaps not just for me.

Anyway I am going to put my hope springing eternal for you on hold. I will still pray for you though.

Merry Christmas.

You keep making statements as if they are factual, but never back them up. Maybe, if you even were advised by AZB personnel, they said that because they know you have no debating or discussion skills?? And have nothing to back up your false claims with. Maybe it's time you start praying for yourself. That your eyes would be opened to how you act on here. How your only agenda is to hurt others, not help.

 

[ENGLISH!]

$25? LMAO that wouldn't come close to covering my time. I also wouldn't trust you to pay me, you haven't exactly impressed me with your integrity. Make it worth my time and send the money upfront to a reliable third party and I'll be glad to do it. Even more, I'll do it with CTE visibly showing a mechanical pivot so you can't claim I'm "adjusting". However, if you prefer I use Pro One, that's fine as well.

Just because one uses a manual pivot does not mean that there is not a deviation from the system as it was originally outlined.

I just thought I'd point that out for the sake of clarity.

 

[8pack]

In acting in the guise of serious questions about CTE, then when given the answers, you sluff it off and accuse those of helping of being nothing more than trolls. You never had any intention of understanding CTE as given. Yet you posted as though you just had problems with the wording of it. Totally dishonest. You never had any intention of understanding or gaining knowledge about it. Only to belittle that which you know not of. That put's you as an equal of Rick in my mind.

Not sure where I've been dishonest but its alright with me if you think so.

 

[ENGLISH!]

You keep making statements as if they are factual, but never back them up. Maybe, if you even were advised by AZB personnel, they said that because they know you have no debating or discussion skills?? And have nothing to back up your false claims with. Maybe it's time you start praying for yourself. That your eyes would be opened to how you act on here. How your only agenda is to hurt others, not help.

I have been advised by AZB personnel that I should Ignore Neil or words to that effect & it seems like sound advice & perhaps not just for me.

 

[Neil]

I'm not sure why you insist on speaking about things you know so little of....you say I have a great imagination, but you seem to live in a fantasy world.

We don't have "backers" - there have been some "fired and hired" over the years, however, as a rule I travel with partners and we both put up all the gambling money. Strong Arm John matched me up with Vivian, and some guys in New Orleans. There's now talk of him matching me up with "Scooter's crew," with no "backers" involved.

So you're not a player, not really a teacher, not a gambler?

Just a "CJ Critic" - very nice, let me know how that turns out for you......can you at least post any pictures of yourself, or videos of you actually playing pool.......you do play pool somewhere or do you just have a bar table in your basement?

As far as you saying "TOI doesn't work" and you have no experience....well, that's not very informative, again, it's best to have a working knowledge of something before criticizing it.......here's what players that actually use TOI have to say:

Wow! And you think I'm delusional? Thanks for making my point for me. You state that you don't use backers, then immediately name your backers. I'm not a top player, as you once were, that does not mean I don't and can't play. I stated my teaching credentials, to which you then say I have none. Unlike you, who can't state any teaching credentials other than self given ones. I gambled a lot longer than you have, so where does that statement come from, other than your imagination and false claims yet again.

Thanks for showcasing your lack of reading comprehension, staying in form with your put-downs that you claim you never make, and saying nothing of substance. I now this bruises your gigantic ego, but just because you say something, doesn't make it true.

 

[Neil]

I have been advised by AZB personnel that I should Ignore Neil or words to that effect & it seems like sound advice & perhaps not just for me.

So, I guess you don't take their advise either, huh?

 

[8pack]

$25? LMAO that wouldn't come close to covering my time. I also wouldn't trust you to pay me, you haven't exactly impressed me with your integrity. Make it worth my time and send the money upfront to a reliable third party and I'll be glad to do it. Even more, I'll do it with CTE visibly showing a mechanical pivot so you can't claim I'm "adjusting". However, if you prefer I use Pro One, that's fine as well.

Anything should be worth your time, I imagine your lifes pretty boring.
BTW...that wouldn't cover your time??? I agree, its probably going to take you 3 weeks to accomplish the 5 shots without a miss.

 

[nobcitypool]

I'll give you 25 dollars just to post a video of you making the 5 shots that have been discussed on here.(with pro1) You owe me nothing.

I'll propose this. We'll make this a wager. I'll post three separate youtube videos. One each making those 5 shots consecutively, without a miss. CTE/ETA, CTE/ETB and also using Pro One. The loser sends a check for $500 to Mark Wilson as a donation to the 2015 Mosconi Cup Team. Second Part of the wager is the loser agrees not to post in the aiming forum at AZBilliards for 6 months.

I'm traveling the majority of the holidays so the due date is to have posted the three videos by Monday January 5, 2015.

 

[nobcitypool]

Anything should be worth your time, I imagine your lifes pretty boring.
BTW...that wouldn't cover your time??? I agree, its probably going to take you 3 weeks to accomplish the 5 shots without a miss.

Given the time it would take to upload the video from my camera, convert it to YouTube format and figure out how to upload a YouTube video, that's correct. $25 covers about 15 minutes of my time.

 

[8pack]

I'll propose this. We'll make this a wager. I'll post three separate youtube videos. One each making those 5 shots consecutively, without a miss. CTE/ETA, CTE/ETB and also using Pro One. The loser sends a check for $500 to Mark Wilson as a donation to the 2015 Mosconi Cup Team. Second Part of the wager is the loser agrees not to post in the aiming forum at AZBilliards for 6 months.

I'm traveling the majority of the holidays so the due date is to have posted the three videos by Monday January 5, 2015.

How do you come up with this nonsense , are you related to Neil?:grin:

 

[ENGLISH!]

So, I guess you don't take their advise either, huh?

I have also been advised by AZB personnel that I should place Neil on my Ignore List or words to that effect & it seems like sound advice & perhaps not just for me

 

[ENGLISH!]

From a video posted a few days ago by Stan, he says that, and I'm slightly paraphrasing, but you can watch the relevant part of the video here to get his exact phrasing:

http://youtu.be/37FHSCVQbb8?t=10m26s

...that his pivot takes him to where the cue aligns to the contact point.

It's known that the center of cue, through center CB actually needs to align with double the distance of the contact point offset from center object ball to align with the line of centers for pocketing a ball, which when played as demonstrated, will make the shot a little thick, due to throw. Aligning the cue through center CB to the contact point results in disastrous undercutting for any shot over 5 degrees when the OB is more than 18 inches from a pocket.

So I'm curious if Stan could clarify what he means by aligning the cue to the contact point. Does he mean aligning to double distance of the contact point? And how would this connect with earlier statements that CTE Pro 1 takes us to a slight overcut, which accounts for slight thickening of the pot angle for throw, allowing most shots to travel to center pocket?

This was the original post of this thread.

 

[nobcitypool]

How do come up with this nonsense , are you related to Neil?:grin:

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I seem to recall that you initiated the "nonsense". I simply revised it to where it is worthwhile to do it. Money talks and BS walks. Guess you better put your hiking boots on.

 

[nobcitypool]

Figures the same birds would come home to roost.

Ducky, instead of your typical hit and run statements, tell us, if you saw CJ would you tell him this to his face?

Tony, as the old saying goes, it is better to be a has been than a never was. LOL

 

[CJ Wiley]

as a rule I travel with partners and we both put up all the gambling money.

So you read this statement and jumped to that conclusion?


We don't have "backers" - there have been some "fired and hired" over the years, however, as a rule I travel with partners and we both put up all the gambling money.

. You state that you don't use backers, then immediately name your backers.

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Originally Posted by CJ Wiley View Post
I'm not sure why you insist on speaking about things you know so little of....you say I have a great imagination, but you seem to live in a fantasy world.

We don't have "backers" - there have been some "fired and hired" over the years, however, as a rule I travel with partners and we both put up all the gambling money. Strong Arm John matched me up with Vivian, and some guys in New Orleans. There's now talk of him matching me up with "Scooter's crew," with no "backers" involved.

So you're not a player, not really a teacher, not a gambler?

Just a "CJ Critic" - very nice, let me know how that turns out for you......can you at least post any pictures of yourself, or videos of you actually playing pool.......you do play pool somewhere or do you just have a bar table in your basement?

As far as you saying "TOI doesn't work" and you have no experience....well, that's not very informative, again, it's best to have a working knowledge of something before criticizing it.......here's what players that actually use TOI have to say:

 

[cookie man]

Okay then.

Do you agree that if done in my Big Blue Sky Hypothetical as outlined that the resulting angle would be consistently the same time after time after time?

Yes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about, and nothing to do with how CTE works.

 

[cookie man]

ENGLISH and 8 PACK Why are you ignoring this request?
Shoot Stevie's shots and report back with your exact results. Until you do that there can be no discussion. I've done them with the same results as Stevie.

 

[ENGLISH!]

How do come up with this nonsense , are you related to Neil?:grin:

Anthony,

You know as well as I that even if he makes the 5 shots it does nothing to show that the system is totally objective & actually does the opposite, but I do not know why he put CTE & ETB in there as Stan has said that all are ETA.

If not by blood, I would still say that they are related.

Although Neil seems to know that some such stuff is proof of nothing.