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No, I don't care AT ALL what you played, or Earl played, or what Allen Hopkins liked to play. I care what the "general public" thought of 2-shot 9-ball. And do you know what THEY thought of the game? Nothing, they did not even know it existed. It was the WRONG game to try to push onto the public, as was 1-shot 9-ball. Both were irrelevant to the general public, it was not what THEY wanted and the problem professional pool had was that people like you could not figure out that the proper path was playing what THEY wanted to see, not what YOU wanted to play.

The game that you prefer to play while gambling is completely irrelevant to what game should be played at the professional level.

I bet 75% of your posts are how 8-ball should be the game played at the professional level.

Pool (all games) is just much more popular in other countries than it is the US.

Do you know why? Just a theory, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with the fact they don't have the likes of the MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, Nascar, Spelling Bee, etc.

The biggest key to getting pool on mainstream TV isn't the game that's played, but when it's aired. The best time would be the dry season (June-September). The only major sport on during that time is baseball.
 
Thanks, I'll be sure to call you and tell you personally. I still remember how much fun we had at the 2011 US OPEN. ;)
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I won't be holding my breath waiting for it to happen or for you to post something that is truly witty.
 
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I realize a person has the right to pull a FB post but I will not participate in any future FB posts.

I spent a lot of time explaining why some peoples opinions were in error - was subjected to snide remarks, and eventually I think the truth was mostly accepted.

And then all this info disappears.

I call BS!!!!! I think it is a bull shit move by Putnam -

Mark griffin

(Ps- these azb threads sure do widen out over a few pages don't they)???
 
It's very uncommon for someone to "call BS" on a friend deleting a Facebook post.

FaceBook's content is shared by friends. Friends don't always say nice things about friend's pool balls, or girlfriends, or cars, or occupations.....that's the nature of a free, social network. If you don't like what Shawn says, take him off your friend's list, I'm sure he won't mind, and probably won't even notice.

It's Shawn's private page, he can, according to the Freedom of Speech act say anything he chooses that's not a threat or "hate crime" motivated. No one that spends time on a computer takes these Facebook posts seriously. Sometimes people get in a bad mood, and say negative things....then they change and take it off.

It's very uncommon for someone to "call BS" on a friend deleting a Facebook post.

We could ban the use of FaceBook if we want to follow a communist/socialist agenda.

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I realize a person has the right to pull a FB post but I will not participate in any future FB posts.

I spent a lot of time explaining why some peoples opinions were in error - was subjected to snide remarks, and eventually I think the truth was mostly accepted.

And then all this info disappears.

I call BS!!!!! I think it is a bull shit move by Putnam -

Mark griffin

(Ps- these azb threads sure do widen out over a few pages don't they)???
 
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Cj,

You really don't get it do you?

Some people spend valuable time responding and explaining things- and to have that 'discussion' erased is very rude in my opinion.

Does he gave that right absolutely.

I will not offer any input in his future posts.

I'm certainly hoping you have a better year because something is really making you argumentative. I'm not gonna spend any time debating it with you but some of your posts are a little crazy.

You said that FB of other type posts will have no affect on sponsors. I believe you are wrong. Public comments can help or hurt any project.

That is common sense.

Or perhaps it is just me you find argumentative - lol.

Mark griffin
 
The "crap" you play on are tables, not balls. When you play on "crap" all the time, it is refreshing to play on good tables......it wouldn't matter what brand of balls were used. Under tournament conditions the cloth plays slick, phony, and fast, so you wouldn't get a good indication of the ball's performance characteristics.

One thing's for sure, the "skittle color balls" are ugly - U G L Y they don't got no alibi. ;)

Actually, your memory is a bit off CJ old boy. The post above is the first time on this thread either of us addressed the other. And it was you addressing me, not the other way around. Perhaps I should apologize for not bowing down and worshiping your greatness. Must of been a Touch Of Ignorance on my part. :wink:

It's Shawn's private page, he can, according to the Freedom of Speech act say anything he chooses that's not a threat or "hate crime" motivated. No one that spends time on a computer takes these Facebook posts seriously. Sometimes people get in a bad mood, and say negative things....then they change and take it off.

You may want to check but I believe that Freedom of Speech thingie may have been in the Constitution, not an act. There are things outside of a threat or hate crime related, however, that you may not wish to test your Constitutional Freedom of Speech rights over. The other weird thing about that ole Constitution is how it also gives others, such as sponsors, rights as well. For example, after you exercise your right to Freedom of Speech, they may exercise their right to ban you from their next tournament. I think what happened here is that Shawn exercised one of the oldest female rights, i.e., the right to change your mind.
 
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Cj,

You really don't get it do you?

Some people spend valuable time responding and explaining things- and to have that 'discussion' erased is very rude in my opinion.

Does he gave that right absolutely.

I will not offer any input in his future posts.

I'm certainly hoping you have a better year because something is really making you argumentative. I'm not gonna spend any time debating it with you but some of your posts are a little crazy.

You said that FB of other type posts will have no affect on sponsors. I believe you are wrong. Public comments can help or hurt any project.

That is common sense.

Or perhaps it is just me you find argumentative - lol.

Mark griffin


lol, I know we're coming up right to da wire, but for Under Statement of the Year Award, 2014, Mark has this one cinched: "(CJ) some of your posts are a little crazy."

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Canceling posts is common on FaceBook, I do it several times a week.

You are not used to anyone arguing back, that's natural when you're in such a powerful position. You can ruin Shawn and Rodney's careers and you know it.....that's a tough position to be in and I'm glad it's not me.

I "get" Facebook just fine, thanks, I'd never take anything someone says personally. People say and do a lot of impulse things, can't judge them for being human.

Canceling posts is common on FaceBook, I do it several times a week.

I assure you it wasn't directed at you at all. Shawn didn't like the way it looked and erased it.....no harm, no foul.

All you have to do is "un friend" Shawn and you'll never have to see any of his posts again. I would suggest you not take anything you read on a computer personally.



Cj,

You really don't get it do you?

Some people spend valuable time responding and explaining things- and to have that 'discussion' erased is very rude in my opinion.

Does he gave that right absolutely.

I will not offer any input in his future posts.

I'm certainly hoping you have a better year because something is really making you argumentative. I'm not gonna spend any time debating it with you but some of your posts are a little crazy.

You said that FB of other type posts will have no affect on sponsors. I believe you are wrong. Public comments can help or hurt any project.

That is common sense.

Or perhaps it is just me you find argumentative - lol.

Mark griffin
 
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This would be so exciting, especially on web cam tv.

I think at this rate Mark will end up banning everyone except Shane.....because Shane is "the last profesional pool player".

We'll be about to watch Shane break, shoot the one in the bottom corner, and run 6 balls, then (in an alternate break format) we'll be able to see Shane break, shoot the one in the bottom corner, run 7 balls - rinse and repeat over and over and over and over and over.

This would be so exciting, especially on web cam tv. :groucho:


For example, after you exercise your right to Freedom of Speech, they may exercise their right to ban you from their next tournament.
 
I think Mark will mostly make good decisions and seems to represent the best opportunity for professional pool to survive at this time. The old saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you" seems rather appropriate. Most of us that live and survive in the professional world have the same constitutional rights. Those that prosper generally understand the wisdom of when, and when not to, exercise them. Ray Rice apparently felt he had the right to hit his wife. Adrian Peterson, perhaps the greatest running back ever, felt he had the right to beat his child. They now have the right to watch NFL games on TV.
 
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This is IMO one of the critical changes that needs to be made in pool. Alternate break, best of 3 sets, win each set by 2 (aka you must "break" the other persons break at least once to beat them so that a coin toss or lag does not win the set). Plus, the win by two thing creates phenomenal tension and excitement due to the pressure it creates where both players do everything in their power not to have their serve broken in tennis. It would do the same thing in pool, it would add MUCH NEEDED excitement to what many perceive as a otherwise fairly boring game.

The tables need to be consistent in pool IMO, I do not even think the varied surfaces in tennis help that sport, it is fairy popular "despite" it IMO although one could argue some of the surfaces are not even that popular and thus why some "majors" are more heralded and followed then others. The tables in pool need to be altered at the pro level so that they are truly a challenge, even after a great break. There should NEVER be a moment in pool where a player breaks and the announcers go "well it looks like he is out on this rack" prior to the guy shooting the first bloody ball after the break, that is a obvious sign there is something "REALLY" friggin wrong with the sport. The tables for professional pool should migrate (quickly and completely) to 10 foot tables with pockets exactly like the original TAR Fatboy rails. Snooker tables are brutal, the people know it, and that is why when they watch Ronnie O'Sulivan run a 147 they know they just saw something unreal. Pool needs that, they need the game to be perceived as truly hard by the general public and that requires tough tables, and making clear just what those tables are like to the viewing public by having a few out there and initially letting the viewers know the specs of the tables. In general the general public are not so slow that they will not see a fairly well hit ball bobble and get rejected, they will know once they see that a few times that this is not your typical bar box. Some might think (wow that is too tough) BUT there is a reason for making the table tough, and it is the next point.

The professional game NEEDS to be 8-ball. It is the ONLY game the general public know, it is the only game the general public play, bar tables spit out 15 balls when you plug in your money, and the common people (non pool players, simply the general public who happen to occasionally play a game of pool) play 8-ball. This is FAR AND AWAY the most popular game played at the league level as well, the VAST majority of actual competitive pool players play 8-ball. Leagues have tried 9-ball, there are rotation pool tournaments in Vegas at the nationals, and the most popular and most played game BY FAR is 8-ball. It is in the game that people actually have at least "some" interest in where you can make inroads into potentially getting some viewership, and then some sponsorship. There is no way in gods green earth you are going to make pool popular with the pros playing games the general public don't give two shits about!

Take those three things.

1) Make the game 8-ball.

2) Make the tables tough enough to REALLY challenge the pros in the game in 8-ball now and 5-10 years from now.

3) Change the races to a format where players alternate break and where you cannot win or lose without having your "break" broken. Best of 3 races to 6 win by two would work, or a single race to 11 win by two would work as well.

IF pool had done that 30 years ago this sport would be VASTLY better off then it is today. The push to 9-ball was a TERRIBLE move by those in control of the sport and the ongoing battering of their heads against a wall trying to make it stick with the general public was a tremendous waste of time, money, and opportunity this sport will NEVER get back.

They already have that. It's called Chinese 8 ball. Pros still run out. And, hardly anyone watches it.
 
Sometimes the "old" must die for the new to live, multiply and accell

I believe we've established that Shane is the only American player surviving on tournaments. So professional has not survived, as a matter of fact it's been destroyed.

I don't blame Mark, it's not his doing, if I were him I'd ONLY concentrate on amateur leagues and pull out of professional pool entirely (after all it's not working and he said he'd be okay without "professional players").

These "professional tournaments" only pay 30% of the field above their entree/buy back fees, and out of that 30% only about 30% make a profit (excluding all travel/room expenses) - this leaves only 9% of the "professional players" making any money at all for a week or 10 days work.

It was disclosed last year by AtLarge that $45,000 is taken out of the tournament (DCC) in "buy back" fees......how much of this go to the "professional player"? 0.000%

So really, only 1 out of 10 players (pro or otherwise) will make a profit from these tournaments. And the thought of cancelling them is a bad thing? Sometimes the "old" must die for the new to live, multiply and accell. Pro Pool has reached this point, and must make a life changing decision.


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I think Mark will mostly make good decisions and seems to represent the best opportunity for professional pool to survive at this time. The old saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you" seems rather appropriate. Most of us that live and survive in the professional world have the same constitutional rights. Those that prosper generally understand the wisdom of when, and when not to, exercise them. Ray Rice apparently felt he had the right to hit his wife. Adrian Peterson, perhaps the greatest running back ever, felt he had the right to beat his child. They now have the right to watch NFL games on TV.
 
We're still discussing the weights being off when it's not factual.....you can't fix a problem that does not exist. If folks don't like the colors that is fine, but adding they play different without any proof is just rumor.

Like I said before, for those that can't tell, it does not matter, but for those that can tell, it matters much.
 
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You are not used to anyone arguing back, that's natural when you're in such a powerful position. You can ruin Shawn and Rodney's careers and you know it.....that's a tough position to be in and I'm glad it's not me.

I "get" Facebook just fine, thanks, I'd never take anything someone says personally. People say and do a lot of impulse things, can't judge them for being human.

Canceling posts is common on FaceBook, I do it several times a week.

I assure you it wasn't directed at you at all. Shawn didn't like the way it looked and erased it.....no harm, no foul.

All you have to do is "un friend" Shawn and you'll never have to see any of his posts again. I would suggest you not take anything you read on a computer personally.

Oh, I'm sure Mark is use to folks arguing back. He's not use to childish antics when professional pool players post information that is not factual that hurt the folks that put money in Shawn's pocket as well as many other professionals.

It was just plain stupid. And Shawn realized that and deleted the post. Basically, Mark should take that "act" as an apology, because he realized he was wrong and fixed it right quick.

Valuable lesson learned on Shawn's part I'm sure.
 
They already have that. It's called Chinese 8 ball. Pros still run out. And, hardly anyone watches it.

Not sure how many people watch it in China. That game has hardly been introduced at all in America, even many of the pool fans on AZB probably have no clue the game even exists and far more have likely never seen it played.

Also, pros run out racks in that game still, pros run out racks in snooker too, it simply happens WAY less in snooker and quite a lot less in Chinese 8-ball then it does in American pool, and that is the key thing that matters.
 
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See, here's the rub CJ. Yer not Mark.

I have this thing that I say to people on occasion.

"Don't worry about what I do, only about what you do".

Been working for myself quite well.

Isn't that just the most profoundest thing that you've read today.

You can ruin Shawn and Rodney's careers and you know it.....that's a tough position to be in and I'm glad it's not me.

Honestly, I can't believe that you would accuse Mark of even thinking like that let alone implementing it.

Of course, Mark has to look out for Mark first, but I truly believe that he has the players best interests at heart in the long run.

Mark spends a lot of time, effort and money looking out for the future of the game of pool.

CJ, spends a lot of time looking after who. Ah, the guy who he sees in the bathroom mirror in the morning.


No offense CJ. Its just that there is a huge difference between you and Mark.
 
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These "professional tournaments" only pay 30% of the field above their entree/buy back fees, and out of that 30% only about 30% make a profit (excluding all travel/room expenses) - this leaves only 9% of the "professional players" making any money at all for a week or 10 days work.

It was disclosed last year by AtLarge that $45,000 is taken out of the tournament (DCC) in "buy back" fees......how much of this go to the "professional player"? 0.000%

It would be a shame if the entities hosting the tournament actually made a profit wouldn't it? If the professionals aren't making money at the tournaments, perhaps that's because there aren't fans willing to pay only $25 per session to watch them. Why do you think that is?

Just look in the mirror. Two years ago, you came to this site and mostly had fans. In that short period since then, look at the responses you get. You've managed to alienate the majority of your fan base with your arrogant attitude and constant attempts at self promotion in an effort to sell your dvd's. Take, take, take. Hummm, there seems to be a familiar theme here.
 
Pool players are also employees of a tournament, they should be compensated.

Profit is a good thing, but it's not just one sided.

When I open a businesses doors I have a staff that is paid. On Monday morning if their check doesn't clear they don't come back to work.

Pool players are also employees of a tournament, they should be compensated. When only 1 or 2 out of 10 make a profit there's a problem. In the nightclub business we fire everyone and reopen under a different name.....this probably has to happen in Pro pool too.....only time will tell.


It would be a shame if the entities hosting the tournament actually made a profit wouldn't it? If the professionals aren't making money at the tournaments, perhaps that's because there aren't fans willing to pay only $25 per session to watch them. Why do you think that is?

Just look in the mirror. Two years ago, you came to this site and mostly had fans. In that short period since then, look at the responses you get. You've managed to alienate the majority of your fan base with your arrogant attitude and constant attempts at self promotion in an effort to sell your dvd's. Take, take, take. Hummm, there seems to be a familiar theme here.
 
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