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We always appreciate your kind words, however, I have no affiliation with Putman or Strickland.


SJDinPHX said:
Excuse me !...But won't it also take a Nicklaus, a Palmer, and a Player...So far, all I can see that 'pool' has going for it, is a Strickland, a Wiley, and a Putnam...and, the "Wonderful World of Whining" :rolleyes:
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Said it before and I'll repeat it again. On the scales of success of the game of pool today, there's 50 or so "professional" pool players and half a million (or more) amateur players in the good old USA. Think the scale has shifted to the half million amateurs. This thread is just another example of why "pro" pool is dead and "pro" players get little or no respect. You guys made your bed, now sleep in it! Sorry, JMHO.

Lyn
 
Shane, Corey and Mike are the only one on the first page of the money list

50 professional pool players in the United States?

Well, we have a low number (1) and a high number (50) - Shane, Corey and Mike are the only one on the first page of the money list, so there's 3 total. All the other ones could be considered "pro" but without a pro tour in the USA it's really not possible.


cardiac kid said:
Said it before and I'll repeat it again. On the scales of success of the game of pool today, there's 50 or so "professional" pool players and half a million (or more) amateur players in the good old USA. Think the scale has shifted to the half million amateurs. This thread is just another example of why "pro" pool is dead and "pro" players get little or no respect. You guys made your bed, now sleep in it! Sorry, JMHO.

Lyn
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they are made out of virtually the same stuff and they are guaranteed not to skid.

That's impressive, it's not everyone that can say they have a "million dollar cue". Now we need to get you some awesome, super tripindicular pool balls to use.

I found some billiard balls that may become a sponsor for our new tour, so even if you don't like them please say you do, especially on Facebook. They weigh pretty close to other balls, they are made out of virtually the same stuff and they are guaranteed not to skid.

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PINKLADY said:
Baby i play with Earl's cue from the $1M Match (perhaps you've heard of it?) - but thank you. :cool:
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If people define "pro" as somebody who makes more than a USPS letter carrier you're right. Most of the rest of other 50 supposedly out there don't "net" any more that the fry cook at McDonalds. I guess traveling around sleeping in the back seat of cars or crashing in friends pads on the road. or finding the cheapest room in town, is the lifestyle a certain type of person wants. Nothing has really changed for 90% of "pros" over many decades...it didn't just happen..it's always been that way.

CJ Wiley said:
50 professional pool players in the United States?

Well, we have a low number (1) and a high number (50) - Shane, Corey and Mike are the only one on the first page of the money list, so there's 3 total. All the other ones could be considered "pro" but without a pro tour in the USA it's really not possible.
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At the end of the day the Federal Reserve owns all the money.

Pool players secretly live like millionaires, just without the fear of losing the money. ;)

It's always been "rags and riches" with pool on the road. I had three straight years when I won over $300,000, but that's only possible for a few these days.

Even the richest have ups and downs, it's nothing to get excited about. At the end of the day the Federal Reserve owns all the money. That's why it says "In God We Trust" on the back, not "In People We Trust".


lost said:
If people define "pro" as somebody who makes more than a USPS letter carrier you're right. Most of the rest of other 50 supposedly out there don't "net" any more that the fry cook at McDonalds. I guess traveling around sleeping in the back seat of cars or crashing in friends pads on the road. or finding the cheapest room in town, is the lifestyle a certain type of person wants. Nothing has really changed for 90% of "pros" over many decades...it didn't just happen..it's always been that way.
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nobcitypool said:
Just look in the mirror. Two years ago, you came to this site and mostly had fans. In that short period since then, look at the responses you get. You've managed to alienate the majority of your fan base with your arrogant attitude and constant attempts at self promotion in an effort to sell your dvd's. Take, take, take. Hummm, there seems to be a familiar theme here.
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C.J. is about nothing except C.J., that much is obvious to all. He talks in another thread about the "groupies" at the L.A. tournaments, I think he could use one now. He seriously needs to get laid.

C.J. is nothing on this forum except a troll.

ONB
 
I was sitting on a levee wall, in an old run down part of some little backwater town , drinking Mogen David 20/20 wine with another old scuff and he said one of the 5 biggest truisms I have ever heard.
"Pool is the only sport that eats it's own young."
In the following years, I have discovered that it also hates it's amateurs, it's elderly, and eventually turns on it's elite.
"Welcome to pool"
 
Jaden said:
I actually love the way the cyclop balls play. I played with them at the USBTC this year for the first time.

However, I think a little information will go a long way to explaining Shawn's attitude regarding that table.

That front diamond at MBC was Shawn's personal table, it did not belong to MBC.

So if he came in to practice on it and Matt and Johnny were playing on it for two hours while he sat waiting to practice, that might be why he was upset.

Me and Johnny were playing some bonus ball and Johnny kept getting into conversations with people coming up to him and Shawn finally said hey me and Jaden are gonna play some ten ball if you're gonna just stand there talking.

I'll admit that I was getting a little frustrated myself waiting up to 45 minutes for Johnny to take a shot...

Jaden
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...and then he woke up.
 
Scott Lee said:
RobMan...SP was "a bit uppity" even back when he was a nobody playing league in Youngstown OH! LOL

A few years ago JA and SP were doing some "exhibitions" (although I hesitate to call them that) at some FL poolrooms. I arrived at one in Gainesville shortly after they had left (they apparently hung around for maybe an hour). I asked the patrons who were playing about what had transpired, and was told all they did was try to get people to pay them just to play a game, trying to get gas money...no trickshots, no interaction with the crowd...just money-grubbing. Here's the funny part...most of the people I talked to (management and patrons) didn't even know who they were! :eek:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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So these professional players made less money per hour than, say, a guy who visits pool halls and tells someone how to shoot.

Someone, anyone. :rolleyes:
 
CJ Wiley said:
... It was disclosed last year by AtLarge that $45,000 is taken out of the tournament (DCC) in "buy back" fees......how much of this go to the "professional player"? 0.000% ...
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You are misrepresenting what I said. Perhaps you are remembering this post: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4500032&postcount=25

So, yes, it shows that the buy-ins at the 2013 DCC amounted to about $46,000. But that doesn't mean it was all "taken out of the tournament" and put in the promoter's pocket. My post shows that the total of the prize money (including $25,000 for the All-Around prizes) significantly exceeded the sum of entry fees and buy-ins. And as I also pointed out in that post, the expenses incurred to host the events can also be viewed as a form of "money added."
 
book collector said:
"Pool is the only sport that eats it's own young." In the following years, I have discovered that it also hates it's amateurs, it's elderly and eventually turns on it's elite. "Welcome to pool"
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Damn Collector,

You wouldn't be talking about me now would ya :thumbup: ?

Lyn
 
I knew you'd ring in Tim! LOL The difference is that I'm getting paid to provide a service, by a client who searched me out. They know exactly what they're getting upfront, and at an agreed upon price. Much different than the "drive by" attempts of some pros, and the ludicrous comments from your various alter egos (none of which can play at all)! :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Ron Swanson said:
So these professional players made less money per hour than, say, a guy who visits pool halls and tells someone how to shoot.

Someone, anyone. :rolleyes:
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CJ Wiley said:
Profit is a good thing, but it's not just one sided.

When I open a businesses doors I have a staff that is paid. On Monday morning if their check doesn't clear they don't come back to work.

Pool players are also employees of a tournament, they should be compensated. When only 1 or 2 out of 10 make a profit there's a problem. In the nightclub business we fire everyone and reopen under a different name.....this probably has to happen in Pro pool too.....only time will tell.
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No de nono they are taking a risk in a contest. Not employees.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Yes, the golf was supercharged by three men, Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player, and Arnold Palmer. The focused on Shell's Wonderful World of Golf because TV (real tv, not web cams) is the key. Personalities always come first, then the game, then the money.

We will get there, but it will take dedication, courage, and the will to win.
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CJ,

I was actually talking about the times before those 3 great gentlemen. They took what was started before them & ran with it to heights the gentlemen before them I doubt even dreamed.

There may be some problems with those qualities of which you speak.

As I said, those were men of different generations.

I hope this generation CAN find the dedication, courage, AND the will to truly win by employing a bit of self sacrifice & sharing.

Best,
Rick
 
Scott Lee said:
I knew you'd ring in Tim! LOL The difference is that I'm getting paid to provide a service, by a client who searched me out. They know exactly what they're getting upfront, and at an agreed upon price. Much different than the "drive by" attempts of some pros, and the ludicrous comments from your various alter egos (none of which can play at all)! :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Scott,

The new players in our room could use your services more than a new cue and case. Hard to make them understand that simple fact. Getting a low deflection shaft is higher on the list than learning a correct stance at the table. Especially the players wishing to make even a small jump in level. Even changing tips is more important.

Can remember the last "pro" giving lessons in our pool room for $200 per hour spent most of the lesson time telling the student about how this shot came up in a past tournament and what he did to make it and win. I've seen you in action. Wish I had a professional instructor like you when I was beginning. Never took a formal lesson. I almost got it right! "I could have been a contender. I coulda been somebody. Instead of a bum". Do I have to add "bum" to my Nickname list now :grin: ?

Lyn
 
Ron Swanson said:
So these professional players made less money per hour than, say, a guy who visits pool halls and tells someone how to shoot.

Someone, anyone. :rolleyes:
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Yes, weird ain't it? Many NFL coaches make more than the players they coach, and never even played football professionally?


Same thing with baseball, hockey and basketball. Granted, there are a few that make more than the coach, but the coach still makes more than many of the players.

And yet, folks are lining up for Scott's lessons, but not lining up to watch professional pool events. Someone, anyone :rolleyes:
 
cardiac kid said:
Getting a low deflection shaft is higher on the list than learning a correct stance at the table.
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From what I've read on here, Scott doesn't teach players to put their chin on the cue. I'd buy a hundred shafts before paying for advice on the correct stance like that.
 
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