Hmmmm....so does this mean you don't have anything intelligent to add to this conversation?
Mosconi's 526 run POOL TABLE questions
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Hmmmm....so does this mean you don't have anything intelligent to add to this conversation?
Probably a great guess as usual !
I met the mother once , they were connected through the dog breeding , showing , she had a couple of dogs kenneled at his place before he went in the nursing home.
I never saw the daughter , but by the age of the mother ,theres a real good chance it was his goddaughters son.
I kept thinking of her as a young girl , which she was when George and I met and he told me about her , I just forgot girls grow up and become moms!.
Probably a great guess as usual !
I met the mother once , they were connected through the dog breeding , showing , she had a couple of dogs kenneled at his place before he went in the nursing home.
I never saw the daughter , but by the age of the mother ,theres a real good chance it was his goddaughters son.
I kept thinking of her as a young girl , which she was when George and I met and he told me about her , I just forgot girls grow up and become moms!.
Probably a great guess as usual !
I met the mother once , they were connected through the dog breeding , showing , she had a couple of dogs kenneled at his place before he went in the nursing home.
I never saw the daughter , but by the age of the mother ,theres a real good chance it was his goddaughters son.
I kept thinking of her as a young girl , which she was when George and I met and he told me about her , I just forgot girls grow up and become moms!.
I personally think all the angst over pocket size and who said what, is a waste of time.
Unless Russ Maddox is still alive and identifies the real table , we will never be sure , {I wouldn't be sure even then} the guy was a straight up hustler from all the accounts I have had..
So lets move on and make a challenge that can be done .
I don''t accept "any" home pool table runs , runs seen by grandma , or anything like that because it is too easy to fake and cheat.
I am not saying anyone has cheated , I am saying it is just too easy , so none of them can be valid, or they all have to be .
That would have been Cliff Thayer, with if I remember correctly, a high run of 457 on a 9ft Brunswick. Personally, I also if the 8ft Mosconi set the official high run record on were available to be played on today, and there was a reason such as a reward of some kind, that record would have been replaced a long time ago. It's not like there's no one has ever been able to make that high of a run except Mosconi, Dallas West, Earl Strickland, Cliff Thayer, Allen Hopkins. ...and several others have ran over 400 balls....on 9fts in the past. It's not like you need to find "THE" table Mosconi set the record on to make a challenge to break it, all you need to do is find out what model it was, which then will allow for a reproduction of the same playing surface to be used in order to set t out the challenge to break the record....but only of course if there's a real reason to do so.
How much was Mosconi paid to run 526 balls? Figure it out in today's dollars, and still nobody is gonna break the record. If someone could, they would. It's one of the most talked about records in pool, even more so than Mosconi's 15 world championships.
Tell me someone in the pool world does NOT want to hold one of the most notable records in the sport ? It would be on ESPN and a few other stations. It would be EPIC, like Ripken breaking Lou Gehrigs record or Hank Aaron breaking Babe Ruth's. Ok, maybe NOT as big as that, but it would be a HUGE deal.
I'd do it in a heart beat, if I could, just to have the record. Who would NOT want to buy some of my "527" Magic Chalk
That was the intention of this thread in the first place, Glen, and you said it perfectly - to get more input on the details of the table in order to replicate it (not locate it) - even if only for personal home or club use dedicated to straight pool in the manner most players utilized back in the day when Mosconi was touring and putting on his exhibitions for locals and local players.
We've gotten some good input so far as to the possible table model - how about cloth color back then? Any idea what the cloth blend and speed would have been like?
Thanks!
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What exactly do you want to bet on?
Except you are ignoring the most important consideration.
Forget about spectators, cigarette smoke, clay balls, and even an opponent.
Mosconi typically did two exhibition "matches" a day - sometime 50 miles apart, but more often closer.
Instead of spending several months setting up a break shot and running as many as
you can, as many times a day, for as long as you care to, in a room by yourself,
under conditions you control,let's just see some current Diamond Master rater
live out of a suitcase for several months driving over 1/3 of the contigus USofA, then
on his FIRST shot, with one or at most two trys per day, usually interrupted by a drive
of an hour or so, run 527 or more.
Then we can talk about breaking Mosconi's "record"
As others have stated... 526 is - IMHO - not nearly as significant as all the match
victories.
Dale
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Dale --
You make some great points concerning the 526 ball run and the challenges that Willie faced during his exhibition tours. Thank you for that.
The points you made in this latest post of yours listing these considerations, however, would be more to the point IF this thread was about the actual run and all of the other circumstances surrounding it - which I'm sure a lot of folks are enjoying reading about - myself included - HOWEVER, if you would recall or re-read the OP, this thread was put out there in hopes of getting information on the TABLE. Not "the record" itself.
I do appreciate your HO and contributions so far on this topic, Dale, but perhaps you could have started your reply "I know that I (Dale) am ignoring the OP original questions and intent of this thread, but the following points may add to an interesting side note....
Just saying...
LIVFST
You make some great points concerning the 526 ball run and the challenges that Willie faced during his exhibition tours. Thank you for that.
The points you made in this latest post of yours listing these considerations, however, would be more to the point IF this thread was about the actual run and all of the other circumstances surrounding it - which I'm sure a lot of folks are enjoying reading about - myself included - HOWEVER, if you would recall or re-read the OP, this thread was put out there in hopes of getting information on the TABLE. Not "the record" itself.
I do appreciate your HO and contributions so far on this topic, Dale, but perhaps you could have started your reply "I know that I (Dale) am ignoring the OP original questions and intent of this thread, but the following points may add to an interesting side note....
Just saying...
LIVFST
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Accept it.
There will always be a percentage of billiards enthusiasts who will not accept Mosconi's record.
Some can't accept the fact that he was a natural talent and a child prodigy. Others blame it on the game of 14:1 which has fallen out of fashion. And still others, use the table in support of their arguments.
The record stands and will remain until someone runs 527 balls. The record remains because no one can beat it. Simply stated, if they could, they would.
There will always be a percentage of billiards enthusiasts who will not accept Mosconi's record.
Some can't accept the fact that he was a natural talent and a child prodigy. Others blame it on the game of 14:1 which has fallen out of fashion. And still others, use the table in support of their arguments.
The record stands and will remain until someone runs 527 balls. The record remains because no one can beat it. Simply stated, if they could, they would.
No one thought anyone would beat Babel Ruth home run record, the along came Hank Aaron, and when no one thought for sure that home run record would never, never be broken....along came who...Bell?
OP - I did have a chat about the "Mosconi Record Table" with Mr. Joe Newell, who is Brunswick's unofficial official historian and the world's leading expert on vintage/antique Brunswick tables.
We agreed that unless there is a living person, who actually measured the pockets personally, we will never know the exact measurements. Period
There's a high likelyhood that the pockets would have been within the BCA standard range, (if the table was built after 1949) but even knowing the model name and year it was made is not a gurarantee for any given table. " 5 - ish " may be the best answer anyone could give
We agreed that unless there is a living person, who actually measured the pockets personally, we will never know the exact measurements. Period
There's a high likelyhood that the pockets would have been within the BCA standard range, (if the table was built after 1949) but even knowing the model name and year it was made is not a gurarantee for any given table. " 5 - ish " may be the best answer anyone could give
For the record, nobody every broke Hank Aaron's record. He is the one and only HOME RUN king. Then the steriod boy hit more, but is surely are not a KING.
But I do know something for sure. Baseball fans, who really love the game, never sat around before Hank broke the record, and began blabbering about Babe's record was NOT legit, because pitchers were not as good back then, pitchers did NOT throw in the
90's, the ball was a bit livlier, the ball parks were not as big, they used bigger bats, etc.etc. etc.
Only in pool do they tear down the legends, so the folks who never did anything in the game can appear to stand a little taller. But it doesn't work, they come off as jealous nobodies who are willing to stoop to the lowest levels to take pot shots at a dead man who did nothing but win.
I really don't want to take anyone's money Glen, but if you want to make a donation, I'll start up a junior national MVP award fund with it.
What do you have to offer?
I think 10k is a good jumping off point, lets start there.
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It's a discussion forum, not a
fully-answer-exactly-all-my-questions-and -only-my-questions forum.
Just sayin...
Dale
Along came steroids. Johnnyt
He showed the pocket sizes used, who then made those pockets? Can you find somewhere where it states that Brunswick did NOT make them?
And your point is?? That NO ONE should be allowed to break the hi run record?....what a joke...LOL in case you're no smart enough to figure it out on your own, let me tell you something about records....they are kept wrote down, that others can set their own goals to replace them records with their own marks....in ALL forms of sports!!!