How to Use the Masse' Shot to Curve Around Obstructing Balls

[CJ Wiley]

Ronnie O'Sullivan thinks of "hitting the white with his elbow"

The fish are definitely being fed these days. There's still some magical stuff out there to be had, but it'll have to pass a rigid AZB inspection before it can be classified as non-mythical/mystical.



Let me guess...free special kool-aid? :wink:

You've given more knowledge to these forums from your experiences than just about anyone, save a handful of people.

I've been working, the last couple of days, on keeping my shoulder in a relaxed/ready position. I've concentrated on several different positions, trying to see which ones work the best for different applications. One for power strokes, one for 90% of the other shots, and even one for breaking. This focus helps my elbow stay in line with the shot.

By concentrating on the feeling I have in my shoulder, I'm in tune with subtle changes and movements off of the shot line. I can't see my elbow and upper arm when I stroke, but I can feel when they stray off line. Like you said, it's like turning off the lights and heightening my other senses. I was surprised I could tune in like that after a short time frame and feel an error or incorrect alignment. "I see", said the blind man.

Best,
Mike

You will see with your mind, and feel with your eyes. It is intriguing how the mind produces the feel/touch used to perform pool perfectly.....we humans can't play at that level, however, for the subconscious mind it's "child's play"......of course this is all contingent on understanding how it blends together physically, mentally, and even spiritually.

Ronnie O'Sullivan thinks of "hitting the white with his elbow" - for this to be great advice the player must coil their elbow/shoulder.....for "pendulum players" it's not going to be helpful, unless they're playing in "the pit". LoL

 

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Ahhhh,

I see said the blind man.

Thanks CJ.

Was it Kevin Costner is the Movie, For The love of The Game, that said something like, 'Load up the mechanism.'?

All the Best 2 You, CJ & Everyone Else Too,
Rick

 

[Mikjary]

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Ahhhh,

I see said the blind man.

Thanks CJ.

Was it Kevin Costner is the Movie, For The love of The Game, that said something like, 'Load up the mechanism.'?

"Clear the mechanism". Kevin Costner's mantra. Easy to say, but hard to do.

All the Best 2 You, CJ & Everyone Else Too,
Rick

You will see with your mind, and feel with your eyes. It is intriguing how the mind produces the feel/touch used to perform pool perfectly.....we humans can't play at that level, however, for the subconscious mind it's "child's play"......of course this is all contingent on understanding how it blends together physically, mentally, and even spiritually.

Ronnie O'Sullivan thinks of "hitting the white with his elbow" - for this to be great advice the player must coil their elbow/shoulder.....for "pendulum players" it's not going to be helpful, unless they're playing in "the pit". LoL

I've been lining up shots with the front of my shoulder instead of the elbow. The elbow didn't work for me. I've done this without any aiming or alignment system and completely by feel. We'll see what happens in the next couple of days.

Best,
Mike

 

[Mikjary]

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Ahhhh,

I see said the blind man.

Thanks CJ.

Was it Kevin Costner is the Movie, For The love of The Game, that said something like, 'Load up the mechanism.'?

All the Best 2 You, CJ & Everyone Else Too,
Rick

I wrote, "Clear the mechanism" in my last post, but it didn't come up.

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

a connection between where you're looking and where you're pitching or shooting

I've been lining up shots with the front of my shoulder instead of the elbow. The elbow didn't work for me. I've done this without any aiming or alignment system and completely by feel. We'll see what happens in the next couple of days.

Best,
Mike

You may want to pre-set your elbow more in front of your body.

Stop what you're doing and pretend like your're pitching a coin to a target....notice how you line your elbow and forearm up with your eyes (close to the center of the chest). This gives a connection between where you're looking and where your pitching the coin.

This connection is important in pool too, and the beginning of understanding how to get the feeling of "shooting out of your chest"......and of course "coiling" your upper body in such a way that it connects directly to the cue, all the way to the tip. When this is done correctly, it's like you're entire body is connected and coiled behind the tip.

This is extremely advanced, and if it doesn't make sense to anyone reading, please put it on a shelf for later reference. I'll try to answer any questions, however, this is challenging to teach in person, let alone in writing. It's extremely powerful information, and I'm glad to have taken the time to learn it back in the early 90s. 'The Game is the Teacher'.com

 

[DTL]

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I wrote, "Clear the mechanism" in my last post, but it didn't come up.

Best,
Mike

Hi Mike,

You 'wrote' it in my quote as though I had said it.

Best,
Rick

 

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You may want to pre-set your elbow more in front of your body.

Stop what you're doing and pretend like your're pitching a coin to a target....notice how you line your elbow and forearm up with your eyes (close to the center of the chest). This gives a connection between where you're looking and where your pitching the coin.

This connection is important in pool too, and the beginning of understanding how to get the feeling of "shooting out of your chest"......and of course "coiling" your upper body in such a way that it connects directly to the cue, all the way to the tip. When this is done correctly, it's like you're entire body is connected and coiled behind the tip.

This is extremely advanced, and if it doesn't make sense to anyone reading, please put it on a shelf for later reference. I'll try to answer any questions, however, this is challenging to teach in person, let alone in writing. It's extremely powerful information, and I'm glad to have taken the time to learn it back in the early 90s. 'The Game is the Teacher'.com

Hi CJ,

I don't think some will get this at all as you're probably thinking too.

I have an image & a move in mind that might help but I'll leave it to you.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

 

[DTL]

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[Chrippa]

We all appreciate this.:thumbup:

You may know all the word of the body but fail to "feel the body".

Coiling are done with every little part of the human body and mind.

You yourself are doing it all the time, just give it a thought and you will find it.
Don´t reach for the books, reach within imo. - You are the book.

Regards

Christian

 

[DTL]

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[CJ Wiley]

in pocket billiards. "when it feels comfortable, it's probably wrong"

Hi CJ,

I don't think some will get this at all as you're probably thinking too.

I have an imagine & a move in mind that might help but I'll leave it to you.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

The human body was not designed to be on this earth to play pool, so there's certainly a learning curve... this process starts with the willingness to believe there is a better way.....unfortunately, this {curious} desire can't be "faked," it must be sincere.

Therefore, what seem logical, usually isn't the most effective way of performing a task {like is required} in pocket billiards. "when it feels comfortable, it's probably wrong" (for a few weeks anyway) - this is actually a good rule of thumb playing golf, tennis, pool, or other activity requiring precision, accuracy, consistency, and speed.

Presenting this last phase of instruction may not go over very well because it will contradict what many players believe is correct....even if they admit they don't play at the level they've dreamed of....it's human nature to hold on to familiar ideas, and guard against admitting new ones can give better results - this is nothing new, it's typical.

'The Game is the Teacher'

 

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Hi CJ,

It took me quite a while to learn to hit a topspin backhand in tennis even though the backhand should be the natural stroke. This was probably because I hit forehands firstly & for so long along with a 'sliced' backhand. The change in grip required for me to hit the topspin backhand was uncomfortable, not so much physically in my hand, but in my minds eye as it related to hitting the ball on that side of my body. That is, until I found the proper related backswing to accommodate the topspin backhand stroke. Then it became my favorite shot to hit.

Best 2 YOU & All,
Rick

PS A draw in golf was sort of the same thing.

 

[DTL]

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[Chrippa]

Sounds like CJ is the one who has read too many "feel good" books...........all this psycho-babble stuff doesn't just come out of his head. :wink:

If someone is gonna teach or sell instructional DVDs, they need to explain things in a way that people can understand.

Sorry, I didn't watch all those Kung Fu shows when I was a kid.

And I've have felt my body a few times , and my mind has been coiled once or twice.......neither made me play better.

DTL
maybe you could explain post #125 to me?

To be a smart .... will i not always give you the answer you seek, it might be the answer you like however.
Keep searching and you will find it, keep blocking it and it will always be in the dark.

You my friend have a lot to open up to. Open up= learn. IMO.

Best of luck



Christian

 

[CJ Wiley]

a rotation of the forearm and wrist.....there's a lot less arm motion

Hi CJ,

It took me quite a while to learn to hit a topspin backhand in tennis even though the backhand should be the natural stroke. This was probably because I hit forehands firstly & for so long along with a 'sliced' backhand. The change in grip required for me to hit the topspin backhand was uncomfortable, not so much physically in my hand, but in my minds eye as it related to hitting the ball on that side of my body. That is, until I found the proper related backswing to accommodate the topspin backhand stroke. Then it became my favorite shot to hit.

Best 2 YOU & All,
Rick

PS A draw in golf was sort of the same thing.

I can relate to the backhand analogy, tennis was my favorite game for many years, pool became #1 because it showed a promising future.

The tennis strokes have changed in the last 15-20 years (pool has remained the same), and moved towards a rotation of the forearm and wrist.....there's a lot less arm motion and they actually hit the ball harder, with more accuracy.

They actually changed the weight/size of the tennis ball to slow the game down, and even at Wimbledon they don't "serve and volley" much these days. (it's played on grass courts which are very fast and favor a "serve and volley" style, although with the new balls they don't)

Pool is the same way, the "new" techniques just haven't been explained.....yet.

 

[Mikjary]

Hi Mike,

You 'wrote' it in my quote as though I had said it.

Best,
Rick

I see that now. I knew I wasn't imagining it! :smile:

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

You seen to know it all anyway, so what can you possibly miss?

From the jist of it, what is trying to be implied is that yon can store energy in a muscle based on position. Like compressing a spring and then letting it go.

Can't be done with the human body.

Using the coin toss concept, one thing to remember is that there is another finger restricting movement of the thumb. but is not preventing the thumb from moving in other ways.

To do this with a pool stroke would require somehow restricting the cue from moving then removing that restriction. The bridge is the only place to to do this.

Muscles are not springs. They do not, can not act like springs. You can not coil a muscle, there is no coil motion or movement. It is muscles working in groups expanding and contracting at the proper times and sequence that is making the power of the stroke......not putting your arm/shoulder in a certain position thinking this is where the power comes from.

You may use this terminology to get a point across, but it is a piss poor way of doing it.

There is wisdom, and there is bullshit. Being from Texas myself, I can spot a true bullshitter.......

You don't think Bruce Lee knew how to coil his body and chamber his kicks and punches?

Such unneeded anger, maybe you really want to get in touch with your "happy side," and lay off the pool forums. You seem to know it all anyway, so what can you possibly miss?

 

[Mikjary]

You may want to pre-set your elbow more in front of your body.

Stop what you're doing and pretend like your're pitching a coin to a target....notice how you line your elbow and forearm up with your eyes (close to the center of the chest). This gives a connection between where you're looking and where your pitching the coin.

This connection is important in pool too, and the beginning of understanding how to get the feeling of "shooting out of your chest"......and of course "coiling" your upper body in such a way that it connects directly to the cue, all the way to the tip. When this is done correctly, it's like you're entire body is connected and coiled behind the tip.

This is extremely advanced, and if it doesn't make sense to anyone reading, please put it on a shelf for later reference. I'll try to answer any questions, however, this is challenging to teach in person, let alone in writing. It's extremely powerful information, and I'm glad to have taken the time to learn it back in the early 90s. 'The Game is the Teacher'.com

I can relate to pitching coins. When the pool action was too tough, foot races, pitching coins, etc., was the best action. Too many mechanics playing cards, and the dice always seemed to get cold.

It's been a while since I tossed a coin. Time to brush up. You never know.

You mentioned using the chest before and I gave it a cursory look. I moved from the elbow to the shoulder because it felt more centered with my stroke than my arm or hand. Maybe I need to go further and move my center to the chest area. A little practice will see if that makes sense.

Best,
Mike

 

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Pool is the same way, the "new" techniques just haven't been explained.....yet. ;)

CJ,

My topspin backhand almost whiffed right over that soft serve since it was so 'well placed'.

Best,
Rick