CJ can you video a few "pinning" shots and educate the crowd?
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CJ can you video a few "pinning" shots and educate the crowd?
NO I DON'T !...But I'm not surprised !..According to CJ, this is a term used often by top level, "road players" !..I admit to having taken a few years off, but in all my years of playing, I have NEVER heard that expression, from anyone (pro or amateur), unless they were referring to "pinning" the cue ball inside a corner, (which is a commonly ruled a foul)
The surprising thing to me is, just because he introduced the term, you all seem to accept it as a "common expression" !.. So please, can anyone (including CJ.) explain HIS meaning of the word, or term ? (just for the benefit of us 'less advanced' player's)..Thank You.
Late Edit;--> Patrick, may not be the player that CJ is, but his sensible way of explaining things is
'light years' ahead !
Maybe it's a regional thing. I first heard the term 30 years ago in Western Louisiana; and I'm from Texas, too. I don't know about the requirement for an edge of tip hit, but it was explained to me as a "pure hit" where the CB doesn't skip, hop or skid on the cloth, but is "pinned" to the table surface the moment the tip strikes it. As far as TOI goes, I'm on the record as saying the first guy to show me this (and he didn't call it TOI, but it was the same technique) was an old gambler who tore me up about the same time and offered to show me how he controlled the CB so well. I thought he was crazy at the time and ignored him.
Time for a repeat----> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5171407&postcount=1897
Dirt or Gravel Road Player?
We have something in common, you didn't heard of Pinning and I never heard of you. Before this forum I had no idea who you were, and still wonder what and why you are. LoL - Whatever you are, it's certainly not a kind, considerate, joyous individual. :woot:
Even the players here in Texas never considered you more than a "good playing short stop".....you may have played golf on a snooker table well, and a ball under champions playing one-pocket.....but who could make their living playing these games on the road? .......NOBODY!!! .... we had to play rotation games and 8 Ball to survive.
I don't know when you played on "the road," maybe back before highways?
SJD GOING TO HIS NEXT POOL SPOT
NO I DON'T !...But I'm not surprised !
The surprising thing to me is, just because he introduced the term, you all seem to accept it as a "common expression" !.. So please, can anyone (including CJ.) explain HIS meaning of the word, or term ? (just for the benefit of us 'less advanced' player's)..Thank You.
Late Edit;--> Patrick may not be the player that CJ is, but his sensible way of explaining things is
'light years' ahead !
We have something in common, you didn't heard of Pinning and I never heard of you. Before this forum I had no idea who you were, and still wonder what and why you are. LoL - Whatever you are, it's certainly not a kind, considerate, joyous individual. :woot:
Even the players here in Texas never considered you more than a "good playing short stop".....you may have played golf on a snooker table well, and a ball under champions playing one-pocket.....but who could make their living playing these games on the road? .......NOBODY!!! .... we had to play rotation games and 8 Ball to survive.
I don't know when you played on "the road," maybe back before highways?
TOI is just a powerful tool to have in your "pool box".
That's right, I haven't claimed to invent TOI, it's been utilized by players like Luther Lassiter many, many, years ago.
What I did do, is put it into a format that can be taught IF someone is willing to learn. It certainly doesn't matter, thousands of players are now using, and utilizing the parts of TOI that compliment their game.....everyone players differently, TOI is just a powerful tool to have in your "pool box". :thumbup:
That's right, I haven't claimed to invent TOI, it's been utilized by players like Luther Lassiter many, many, years ago.
What I did do, is put it into a format that can be taught IF someone is willing to learn. It certainly doesn't matter, thousands of players are now using, and utilizing the parts of TOI that compliment their game.....everyone players differently, TOI is just a powerful tool to have in your "pool box". :thumbup:
Thank you Bill, apparently everyone else thought he was nuts too... I spent many years in Texas and La, and never heard the expression once !..Maybe the old gent who told you, invented it, (and TOI as well.
)..They were sure well kept secrets, until "you know who" joined the forum !..Glad it works...for you !We enjoy getting pumped up on your "beginner knowledge," it's almost as much fun as riding a Harley with training wheels.
Must be the professional way of handling questions. Don't answer them or provide any sort of clarification, just insult those with actual knowledge in a weak attempt to bring them down so you look better.
Guess what, it only makes you look even worse.
We have something in common, you didn't heard of Pinning and I never heard of you. Before this forum I had no idea who you were, and still wonder what and why you are. LoL - Whatever you are, it's certainly not a kind, considerate, joyous individual. :woot:
Even the players here in Texas never considered you more than a "good playing short stop".....you may have played golf on a snooker table well, and a ball under champions playing one-pocket.....but who could make their living playing these games on the road? .......NOBODY!!! .... we had to play rotation games and 8 Ball to survive.
I don't know when you played on "the road," maybe back before highways?
SJD GOING TO HIS NEXT POOL SPOT
A little jealous that he is in the Hall of Fame, and you never will be??
Nothing wrong with that, if I were you I may be doing the same thing.
Yes, that must be it, I'm jealous of SJD......your opinions are all so valid to your own perception of reality. Nothing wrong with that, if I were you I may be doing the same thing.
A little jealous that he is in the Hall of Fame, and you never will be??
Yes, that must be it, I'm jealous of SJD......your opinions are all so valid to your own perception of reality. Nothing wrong with that, if I were you I may be doing the same thing.
Not sure anyone really does, including CJ. Below are just ten quotes of him explaining it.
1.Another positive attribute of cocking the wrist "hammer style," is that on the forward motion you can activate your stoke simply by closing your hand. With the correct timing the acceleration will happen EXACTLY at impact. It's also important to know that the game is played with the EDGE of the tip, must like punching with your knuckles instead of the flat part of your fist. This technique is what road players call "Pinning" the ball.
2.That's correct, anyone can hit the cue-ball with the edge of their tip, however, few accelerate in a way that creates the "Pinning Effect". You can hear the sound it makes, and it's distinctively different than normal.
3.Pinning is done by using the top, "knife edge" of the tip with the acceleration exactly at the ball. It's lethal to "stun," draw, or put "quick english" on the cue ball - it is best suited for slower or worn cloth. This requires a very precise motion with the hand and wrist immediately at cue ball contact.
4."Pinning" is similar to a Japanese martial arts punching technique - put your fist 15 degrees in and 30 degrees down and hit with two knuckles, rotating your hand at impact. This uses less mass, however the results are piercing and can do severe damage. Of course with pool you don't rotate your hand, it's done with your wrist/finger release.
5. The phenomenon of "Pinning" happens when a player is accelerating fully at the moment of contact with the edge of the tip (I rarely use the center of the tip's surface, the edge is more precise for accuracy and spin/toi)
6."Pinning" is when you contact the cue-ball with the edge of your cue with a slightly ascending blow (top for "draw," and bottom for "follow").....hardly driving the cue ball into the cloth (that would be more like a "jump shot").
7. The key to accuracy for me has always been how well I'm accelerating to the "cue ball target" with the edge of my tip (the center edge to TOI to be exact). This "Pin's" the cue ball and the path it takes is very precise......very precise indeed.
8. sound of the tip hitting the cue ball will be higher pitched....we call this "Pinning" the cue ball.
9. I've been practicing and concentrating on the Pinning action of the TIP by making sure the top/edge is extending straight through the TOI Point on the cue ball.
10. It's not how you hit the cue ball, it's the motion you use with your hand to allow the TIP make a descending blow to the cue ball.....so that it travels exactly down the path and and this is achieved by focusing on your hand motion. The tip follows what you're doing with your right hand (of right handed) and is a direct reflection of that connection. Have you notice how much action the Champion players get with very little effort?
This is not because they are so "powerful" it's because their technique is so accurate. It's like an accomplished martial artist can create incredible force with very little effort because their technique is so refined and they've eliminated any unnecessary movement or motion. In pool this is difficult to detect, but I'm sure you know it's there.
If your hand moves up slightly the tip will follow and if it moves down slightly the tip will also follow.....if the hand moves straight, the tip moves straight.....I'm certainly not saying this is complicated, I am saying this motion can be improved in most players....and as an effect their tip will have a more efficient, precise, "Pinning" effect on the cue ball.
I know I'd be interested in seeing how to hit a force follow shot with the top of the tip...
pj <- maybe it's that newfangled "elevator" bridge
chgo
That's achieved by simply hitting the right amount above center (with the bottom of the tip, of course) - 40% of the distance from centerball to the top edge of the ball (80% of maximum topspin). It's been described here on AzB many times by us know-nothing amateurs.
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I should pay you to do all this work for me. LoL
Yes, yes I do!!!
We have something in common, you didn't heard of Pinning and I never heard of you. Before this forum I had no idea who you were, and still wonder what and why you are. LoL Of course you didn't, just like the loser's in your golf foursome, you were all still in diapers when I was on the prowl !
Even the players here in Texas never considered you more than a "good playing short stop".....you may have played golf on a snooker table well, and a ball under champions playing one-pocket.....but who could make their living playing these games on the road? ...NOBODY!!! <--You have made hundreds of really assanine statements, but this may be your crowning achievement !
I don't know when you played on "the road," maybe back before highways?
SJD GOING TO HIS NEXT POOL SPOT
They've had nice paved roads in Texas for many years now, CJ !..The picture you showed, looks like I may have been looking for action in your home state of Missouri..
(everything was always a little 'backward' there !) 
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They've had nice paved roads in Texas for many years now, CJ !..The picture you showed, looks like I may have been looking for action in your home state of Missouri..
Yes, Missouri looks like that, and is backwards too....probably because I'm from there.
I've said many times there are three exceptions.......
OR...You may have said.."Three times, there are many exceptions."...You quite often, do not always say what people actually think you might mean sometimes !..Is that clear ?
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