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realkingcobra

realkingcobra

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Why are there so many AZ members that are such experts on cues, tips, chalk....sparing no expense when it comes to going after and getting that THING of value to you, sometimes even waiting years and years to get that cue you want. Talking about ever use tip to hit the market, even to the point of nit picking it to death, right along with the newest crazy chalk....BUT, when it comes to your pool table (s) most of you, and I'm not saying all of you, BUT most of you don't give a shit about checking out the person's work, and if they're any good at their job....yet you'll hire them unchecked? And further more, a lot of you own pool tables I wouldn't even consider working on as a lot of them are just not worth the investment. ...yet, there it is, right there....surrounded by your $$$$$$$$'$ of dollars worth of of cues?....I mean, not only do a lot of you not own a Diamond pool table, you don't even own a Gold Crown....why is the most important part of this game the deciding factor as to where you cheap out with the money?
 
If you guys knew about pool tables as much as you know about all the cues you own....why don't any of you know what the right cushions for your table is, or at least if it's made out of mostly particle board are even MDF. Why do the slates come apart on your pool tables, didn't you know or care enough to at least educate yourselves as to why that happens, so you could be clear to the person working on your pool table so that problem don't pop up after they're gone? Yet, you can examine a use in pictures and discount it's value....because you can see a slight misalignment in the inlays....I just don't understand why:confused:
 
But I've seen people here on AZ that own tens of thousands of dollars in cues, asking where they can get the cheapest price on Simonis cloth, only to settle on a cheaper made cloth, then hire a hack to install it....then have the nerve to come back on AZ only to brag about how well the cloth performs, and how much they saved over the price of Simonis....on their piece of shit pool table:confused:
 
Personally, I don't play with an expensive cue, chalk etc.. I have a dynamo coin op which is fine for me until I build a new home and have a proper room made for a diamond.. To me, table (cloth) and balls are most important, along with a good mechanic to set things up and regular maintenance.. I agree with you 100% but I think cost has a lot to do with a proper table as does space. I don't have room for a 9' table or I'd have a diamond by now and I'm not interested in having a diamond barbox.
 
I got a call from a customer in CT who laid out over $10,000 for a fully restored Brunswick Cenntennial 9ft pool table, even when so far as to order the rails to have the Artemis Intercontinental K55 cushions installed on the rails, paid extra for them too.....and can't make a 4 rail bank shot into a corner pocket....because the ball dies off every bank and won't make it to the pocket:eek:
 
I pose that same question to guys who drive those bright, shiny, blinged-out low riders
and, when they open the hood, it's often a disaster area.

As for Pool Tables, I don't have room for a 9 or 10 foot table in my current residence
so I seek out poolrooms like Hard Times and Jointed Cue where Gold Crowns are in
abundance. I agree that the Table and Balls are more important than a high-end cue.
 
j_zippel said:
Personally, I don't play with an expensive cue, chalk etc.. I have a dynamo coin op which is fine for me until I build a new home and have a proper room made for a diamond.. To me, table (cloth) and balls are most important, along with a good mechanic to set things up and regular maintenance.. I agree with you 100% but I think cost has a lot to do with a proper table as does space. I don't have room for a 9' table or I'd have a diamond by now and I'm not interested in having a diamond barbox.
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I hear you, but at least you have a plan worked out to get you the table you want. Money and space is no problem for a lot of the people I'm talking about;)
 
realkingcobra said:
Why are there so many AZ members that are such experts on cues, tips, chalk....sparing no expense when it comes to going after and getting that THING of value to you, sometimes even waiting years and years to get that cue you want. Talking about ever use tip to hit the market, even to the point of nit picking it to death, right along with the newest crazy chalk....BUT, when it comes to your pool table (s) most of you, and I'm not saying all of you, BUT most of you don't give a shit about checking out the person's work, and if they're any good at their job....yet you'll hire them unchecked? And further more, a lot of you own pool tables I wouldn't even consider working on as a lot of them are just not worth the investment. ...yet, there it is, right there....surrounded by your $$$$$$$$'$ of dollars worth of of cues?....I mean, not only do a lot of you not own a Diamond pool table, you don't even own a Gold Crown....why is the most important part of this game the deciding factor as to where you cheap out with the money?
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Suppose it is same with other sports , they talk and brag about the gold tennis racquets or diamond golf club but do not bother about the tennis court or golf course
But at least they should stop hogging the main forum -go post in the sub forums why post in main forum with their micro personal technical issues


SilverCue said:
Because you can't carry the table with you to show it off in the local pool hall :)
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Don't laugh the way given 7ft is revered and how they say 7ft is same as 9ft, I will be buying 1 foot table soon to carry around and master so I can start winning some international tourneys :grin:
 
I guess a short answer might be that some people just don't share the same natural curiosity about a pool table as they do cues? Cues are easier to learn about than tables (and portable). I mean that in a sense that we all drive cars, but far fewer can actually do any more to them than maybe fill the oil, and god forbid work on the engine.

I'm in your boat that if I owned a table in my house, I would buy the best, and have it worked on by the best. The table lives with you forever, so I'd invest in one. But let's be honest, the prices of say a Diamond are kinda ridiculous IMO. High quality, but dear Lord....and the pool community doesn't exactly share the same wealth that the habitual golfers in the country club do.

I'm not trying to knock anything or anyone, just trying to think as others might.

The tone of your posts suggests the passion you have for your work and I get it. I'm constantly amazed at how many league players don't really want to learn how to get better, which is their right, but rubs me in the exact same way as your original post does. I offer so many of them the keys to the safe, but they still don't take the help yet get pissed & break sticks when they miss shots.
 
I'm guessing because decent table mechanics are a bit more rare and hard to find so most settle with the first one they find.

Cues are everywhere. You can buy them online and test hit a fair amount of them at a decent pool hall.

Ordering a table and having it set up is a different story. Most of the places you buy from around here are are pool and spa stores and I've heard about how bad of a job one of them did. When I eventually get a decent table I know there is an outfit out of Mitchell SD that I hear good things about and I'll probably go to them just because I really don't know where else to go and don't have a ton of money to fly someone in to set up a table.
 
So there are people that have crap tables that you refuse to work on. On one hand, I can't say that I blame you. But surely, with your knowledge, you should be able to take a crap table, change a few things and make it play a tiny bit better.

I stopped taking in many Chinese cues because most will fall apart in front of you on the lathe. There is almost nothing that one can do to make a 10 buck pawn shop find into a better player. If it has a Ramon wood shaft on it, I can change the ferrule and tip but it will still play like a Ramon wood shaft. I can change the wrap but it will just look prettier and won't affect the play. I can change the weight, but you still have a Ramon wood shaft.

You, on the other hand, can change out to better quality rails and play with pocket cuts and angles.

Lots of people know a ton about high end cues, building techniques and everything about how the cue makers build a cue, but they probably wouldn't work on them or buy the equipment and learn how to build a basic cue.

I have thousands into lathes and tools, but have yet to build a pool cue.

Think about people that know more about Sports than anyone else. They could tell you anything that you could imagine about Football, baseball, hockey and so on.

But they couldn't play any worth a darn.

That is why people hire cue makers and table mechanics. They may know a ton about them but wouldn't attempt to work on them.

So, did I catch part of what yer trying to convey?
 
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[QE=S ilverC ue;5171559]Be cause you c an't carry the table with you to s how i t off in the local pool hall :)[/QUOTE]

Or because your friends no longer want to play pool at your house BECAUSE of your pool table, so you go to their house, or the local pool room to play, then they can talk about their cue all they want:rolleyes:
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
So there are people that have crap tables that you refuse to work on. On one hand, I can't say that I blame you. But surely, with your knowledge, you should be able to take a crap table, change a few things and make it play a tiny bit better.

I stopped taking in many Chinese cues because most will fall apart in front of you on the lathe. There is almost nothing that one can do to make a 10 buck pawn shop find into a better player. If it has a Ramon wood shaft on it, I can change the ferrule and tip but it will still play like a Ramon wood shaft. I can change the wrap but it will just look prettier and won't affect the play. I can change the weight, but you still have a Ramon wood shaft.

You, on the other hand, can change out to better quality rails and play with pocket cuts and angles.

Lots of people know a ton about high end cues, building techniques and everything about how the cue makers build a cue, but they probably wouldn't work on them or buy the equipment and learn how to build a basic cue.

I have thousands into lathes and tools, but have yet to build a pool cue.

Think about people that know more about Sports than anyone else. They could tell you anything that you could imagine about Football, baseball, hockey and so on.

But they couldn't play any worth a darn.

That is why people hire cue makers and table mechanics. They may know a ton about them but wouldn't attempt to work on them.

So, did I catch part of what yer trying to convey?
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I'm pretty sure on one of my first posts here you thought I was an alias so I get first dibs on one of the first cues you try to create. :)
 
realkingcobra said:
Why are there so many AZ members that are such experts on cues, tips, chalk....sparing no expense when it comes to going after and getting that THING of value to you, sometimes even waiting years and years to get that cue you want. Talking about ever use tip to hit the market, even to the point of nit picking it to death, right along with the newest crazy chalk....BUT, when it comes to your pool table (s) most of you, and I'm not saying all of you, BUT most of you don't give a shit about checking out the person's work, and if they're any good at their job....yet you'll hire them unchecked? And further more, a lot of you own pool tables I wouldn't even consider working on as a lot of them are just not worth the investment. ...yet, there it is, right there....surrounded by your $$$$$$$$'$ of dollars worth of of cues?....I mean, not only do a lot of you not own a Diamond pool table, you don't even own a Gold Crown....why is the most important part of this game the deciding factor as to where you cheap out with the money?
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I'm exempt from that.
I hired the top mechs only.
 
Or because your friends no longer want to play pool at your house BECAUSE of your pool table, so you go to their house, or the local pool room to play, then they can talk about their cue all they want:rolleyes:
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Ahhhh, what a luxury. I wish I had enough friends that owned tables so I could castoff the person with the junk table :-)
 
I'm pretty sure on one of my first posts here you thought I was an alias so I get first dibs on one of the first cues you try to create.
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Hmmm, maybe not me. You're from Souix Falls and I don't think that I ever doubted that you know and have played with Shane.

Or, you could be Shane. Been thru Souix Falls many times driving truck. Very nice part of SD. Never had time to stop.

Tell me something. I could have old age memory. You guys have an over Under Bridge there. Or am I thinking of somewhere else. It could be Plankinton with the bridge.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
So there are people that have crap tables that you refuse to work on. On one hand, I can't say that I blame you. But surely, with your knowledge, you should be able to take a crap table, change a few things and make it play a tiny bit better.

I stopped taking in many Chinese cues because most will fall apart in front of you on the lathe. There is almost nothing that one can do to make a 10 buck pawn shop find into a better player. If it has a Ramon wood shaft on it, I can change the ferrule and tip but it will still play like a Ramon wood shaft. I can change the wrap but it will just look prettier and won't affect the play. I can change the weight, but you still have a Ramon wood shaft.

You, on the other hand, can change out to better quality rails and play with pocket cuts and angles.

Lots of people know a ton about high end cues, building techniques and everything about how the cue makers build a cue, but they probably wouldn't work on them or buy the equipment and learn how to build a basic cue.

I have thousands into lathes and tools, but have yet to build a pool cue.

Think about people that know more about Sports than anyone else. They could tell you anything that you could imagine about Football, baseball, hockey and so on.

But they couldn't play any worth a darn.

That is why people hire cue makers and table mechanics. They may know a ton about them but wouldn't attempt to work on them.

So, did I catch part of what yer trying to convey?
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Yes, it's true, I can polish a turd to be nice and shiny, but never the less, it's still a turd in my book, and taking someone's money to polish a turd just don't sit well in my book, which is why I pass on the jobs. Besides that, in the time it takes to polish a turd, my time is better spent working on the next table on the list, instead of delaying the start time by trying to fix something that is, or at least should be considered disposable once it's useful purpose has been served.
 
realkingcobra said:
Yes, it's true, I can polish a turd to be nice and shiny, but never the less, it's still a turd in my book, and taking someone's money to polish a turd just don't sit well in my book, which is why I pass on the jobs. Besides that, in the time it takes to polish a turd, my time is better spent working on the next table on the list, instead of delaying the start time by trying to fix something that is, or at least should be considered disposable once it's useful purpose has been served.
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So you're saying you couldn't do anything with my 8ft mdf Chetek table?

Blue Hog ridr said:
Hmmm, maybe not me. You're from Souix Falls and I don't think that I ever doubted that you know and have played with Shane.

Or, you could be Shane.
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I'm probably the worst shooter on the forum so pretty far from being Shane. :) I still get dibs.
 
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