Can u guys get a room,lol.
Or your own sub forum.
This bickering gets threads locked and good info goes away.
WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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Can u guys get a room,lol.
Or your own sub forum.
This bickering gets threads locked and good info goes away.
Can u guys get a room,lol.
Or your own sub forum.
This bickering gets threads locked and good info goes away.
Assuming there's something more than perception going on, what could it be?
The familiar hammer motion moves the hand toward the elbow (rather than the bicep), pulling the cue in the opposite direction of its forward motion. Obviously this motion alone can't accelerate the cue forward; it can only slow it down.
The "equal opposite reaction" of moving the hand back might slightly increase the wrist/forearm forward speed, but since the cue is in the hand that just means the forearm gains a little on the cue - the cue's speed isn't increased.
So can something else be happening?
What if the emphasized hammer motion at the right moment caused a "twitch" reaction in the bicep for a net gain in cue speed?
Just trying to make some sense of this crazy world...
pj
chgo
Cookie,
We don't seem to agree often, but this time I'm with you 100%. Lately, both Rick and Neil have been creating lots of petty and childish disruption (in this and other threads) which greatly diminishes the value of the AZB forums, IMO.
I think it is a shame, because both Rick and Neil seem to have good ideas and perspectives at times; although, it is difficult to appreciate this when the "signal-to-noise ratio" is so low.
Sincerely,
Dave
One can kill another to take a life for reasons of their own. That is called murder.
One can kill another to take a life to stop them from murdering another, that is the defense of a life & if the life saved is their own it is called self defense.
Hence the same action for different purposes is different.
Your 'logic' as it so very often is, is faulty & invalid.
It's you that again initiated any derailment with your distortions & mischaracterizations.
I've merely pointed them out & made clarifications of your misleading implications. Most of it is on topic as you are trying to discredit CJ in his own thread but are trying to do so with mischaraterizations & distortions of the truth of matters.
It's on you.
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I agree & that is his intention.
At least having a civil discussion might bring some understanding to some.
Cookie,
I said yesterday that I thought we were on the same page regarding pinning.
Would you care to explain how you know it to be.
I think there might be two valid descriptions perhaps by region as another member sort of suggested.
Thanks in advance should you choose to do so.
Best 2 you & All,
Rick
Did you watch the video in post 1979. Jason is pinning the CB, at least in the way it's been described to me.
PJ, it doesn't really move the hand towards the elbow, your pushing the wrist forward, as opposed to the fingers moving forward.
I'm not sure what it does concerning cue speed.
Dave, Please believe me.
I take no pleasure in the back in forth, but Neil continually makes statements of mischaracterizations & distortions on many topics & about certain individuals.
I'd much rather read &/or discuss matters of pool than to point out his distortions & mischaracterizations that can & might be harmful to those interested in the topics.
Like in my earlier post, some things are of a self defense nature.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
PS I just earlier today complimented Neil on a post that he made in the Check this shot out....Efren Who? thread.
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It is my impression that both of you have been equally petty and childish.
I know you might not mean to instigate at times, but from seeing your interactions in many past threads, you do seem to have a knack for getting people riled up, for taking things out of context and twisting things around at times, and for not knowing when to stop.
Please don't expect me to reply further. I don't like to get involved in "discussions" like this. I'm hear to learn and share ... not waste time on this sort of thing.
Just take my post as an opinion and think about how others might be perceiving you on the forum. That goes for Neil also.
Regards,
Dave
I don't like it anymore than you do, most likely less. But, when someone wants to constantly post crap about me, I will defend myself. Mods said they would stop it, but apparently they don't care anymore. I'm sick and tired of his harrasment and name calling and insults.
If that is how you feel, you should report these people to the Mods. It might also help if you defend yourself in a more mature and level-headed way (and to learn when it is time to discontinue the pointless "give and take"). This might make the Mods more receptive to your complaints.
Neil, I'm sure you know that I value your contributions to the forum and for sticking up for me at times, but this type of interaction is not very flattering to any of the people involved.
Catch you later,
Dave
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The familiar hammer motion definitely moves the hand toward the elbow. The hand is still moving forward, but it's moving forward at a slower speed, not a faster one.
And like I said, that slowdown of the hand may result in a small reactionary boost of forward speed for the wrist, but wouldn't do anything for cue speed because the hand would have to be decelerating even more at the same time.
Maybe the hammer motion isn't really a hammer motion, like others are saying. If so, then the extensive descriptions of it have been confusing at best.
pj
chgo
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I'm not one to talk, because I've been guilty of some of the same thing, but...
Neil and I get on each other's nerves sometimes, but I wouldn't think of filtering him because (when he's not hog wrestling) he shares lots of valuable pool experience.
On the other hand, here's a little trick that instantly lowers the "noise" on AzB without any significant loss of "signal":
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If you lock & force the forearm to remain still & in position & make the motion from the radial position to the ulnar position the hand rotates to the elbow & the cue is slammed downward. That is what happens if you isolate it out of context so to speak.
But if you do not lock & force the forearm to remain still & make the motion from radial to ulnar, then the 'bottom' end of the forearm & the hand want to naturally 'lunge' forward.
Do that either by itself or in conjunction with a small shorter stroke while connecting to the cue in a manner that is conducive to the motion & you will get considerable power from less movement of the cue. With the action it would take more movement of the cue to generate equal power.
It is sort of like Bruce Lee's One Inch Punch.
https://youtu.be/oRf49fMVOLE?t=15
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