It is one of those Zombie Topics - but I'll leave it to eat brains in peace for awhile.Keep beating the horse and CJ will keep bringing it back to life so you can beat it again.
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It is one of those Zombie Topics - but I'll leave it to eat brains in peace for awhile.Keep beating the horse and CJ will keep bringing it back to life so you can beat it again.
Just stop it CJ. You are going to kill your admirers with knowledge and pretty soon they will want to know how much is in your bank account and will be begging to take a peek at your little black book.
JoeyA
A lot of this discussion is mired in differing perceptions and our resulting descriptions. I know CJ and others will say it's just Center to Center or Center to Edge aim points when using TOI. That's really not aim point but alignment when stepping into the shot. My actual aim reference is literally a hair thick. If I'm missing I can adjust one of three variables: offset (more or less inside), stick acceleration, or aim. I've found that adjusting with more or less inside is VERY difficult and can get me lost (as you indicated, anything less than a 1/4 tip is very hard to judge). I just stick with 1/8 inside and adjust via ever so slight aim adjustments or stick speed.
I've been using TOI for about three years now, and I don't notice the offset (unless I consciously make an effort to see it, it looks like center CB). I also have calibrated it through repetition so that instead of focusing intently on trying to aim just a hair thick, I'm looking at the actual intended contact point, just like I did before TOI. Occasionally, usually after a lay off, I have to spend an hour or so recalibrating the offset/relation to the conventional alignment; but it comes right back.
So why would I bother with this at all? I notice two significant benefits right away. My CB is much easier to control, it just creeps into the intended position; that's especially beneficial when your contact with the OB is on the thinner spectrum and the CB has lots of energy left over after contact. The last thing you want is running English after contact making it worse. The other benefit is the effort to shade to the inside increases your precision on hitting the CB where you intend, virtually eliminating any tendency to steer the shot or swipe the CB. If I aimed center CB, I could never be sure if my cue struck 1/8 tip inside or 1/8 tip outside. I rattle the shot and may have misjudged one of three or four factors. By anchoring my stick line 1/8 inside, I KNOW I hit it to the inside or dead center CB. So my miss is in one direction. That's what is meant by increasing margin of error. If I'm aiming at center pocket and attempting to hit center CB, I could hit a touch left or right of center CB, then my margin of error is half a pocket in either direction. If I aim thick, favoring one side of the pocket, I have the whole pocket in one direction to error toward. The whole idea is to eliminate variables, instead of adding them.
Do I align with outside at all? You bet. I have to drag some shots across the table, or stun stuff just like anyone else. The TOI we're debating just replaces center CB alignment on anything other than straight in stop shots or when I need to use outside to get where I need to.
You're funny, Joey...., the "little black book" days have been replaced with cell phones, and email addresses.....however, the quality is still exceptional here in Texas![]()
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I like this post but I don't know about "perfect angles" (maybe for CJ). :smile:!
JoeyA
Those your grandkids
Well, they are someones Grand Kids, that's a fer sure.
I wondered if these were CJ's kids, or any of his Friends, kids or grand kids, he would appreciate old men letching on them.
I treat ours at our bar with respect as others do, and we always make sure they have a little extra for their service.
We certainly don't talk about them rubbing their tits all over us tho. I can guarantee that one.
But, like other things on the Board, CJ obviously thinks this is impressive. Hardly.
Your hero SJD is the ultimate in fondling young barmaids, brags about it all the time. At least CJ is 20 years younger but judging by the looks of the girls he should be another 20 years younger than that.
going to have to agree with CJ and say TOI is not the same as inside english. You dont want the cue ball to play like inside english also... just saying and I am ok with being proven wrong also :thumbup:
Your hero SJD is the ultimate in fondling young barmaids, brags about it all the time.
At least CJ is 20 years younger
Your hero SJD is the ultimate in fondling young barmaids, brags about it all the time. At least CJ is 20 years younger but judging by the looks of the girls he should be another 20 years younger than that.
I had always thought that if a player cues the ball anywhere from center ball, it is to achieve a desired action either by hitting the OB or after.... a Touch of Inside would still be considered, using English.
If there is no advantage to hitting the OB with English, then why would you use it.
Apparently, I am still a Banger. And to think of all those wasted years and wasted beers. Wait, did I just say, wasted beers.
Maybe someone already said this, I did not have time to read every reply yet, but TOI will put a little spin on the ball, absolutely, but that is not the purpose of using TOI.
The main difference is when using "inside english" you want the cue to be perfectly parallel. This means if you put TOI/Right on the cue ball it would align to the same TOI/RIght on the object ball.......HOWEVER, with the TOI technique you align to the center, so the angle of the cue always favors the cut, and doesn't favor the spin.
This will make sense to those that use TOI, and will sound confusing to those that don't. I show this at the beginning of the TOI video, and show how the TOI Shift creates angles. This doesn't mean it's an "aiming system," on the contrary, it's an overall playing system that does create angles (this is part of overall playing after all).
The TOI system uses a consistent speed, cue ball target and creates each angle off the center or edge of the object ball.......it makes the game so simple, however, the player has to accelerate exactly at contact to reap the fullest rewards.
No way.
Lou Figueroa