Finnegan is a crook and a scumbag.

RCLane said:
that is the thing "sir" the establishment does not have the rules posted for what finnegan was part of the rules & that game

which is the reason why the poster of this thread is angry, as should anyone. Finnegan just did what he wanted to control the winner to as much a degree as he could, he is very bad an has no moral integrity if this is true.

That is my complaint with this situation, the establishment is letting one person who has a lot of pull appearently, to call the shots of the tournaments..."if....if that is the game winnigs are going to a nonlocal player" which is what this scenario is.


Its very misleading to all particapents especially the
"non-locals" what is going to happen when they spend their hard earned dollars to hopefully have a chance at winning a big pot. $1,800.00 is nothing to sneeze at "imo" just like $180 is nothing to just throw away or dismiss.

I had an inncident with my local wal-mart, here on march 29th when they tried to basically steal $200.00 from me when i got a money order that day. I did lose out on $100.00 but i am in the process of writing an discussing the matter with the area manager of the wal-mart for this area an the area managers boss.

The reason i left with them still having a cash register draw $100.00 long an myself being short that exact same amount. Is very simple it was obvious that day i was not going to recover it that day and if i had stayed any longer, it would have ended with me in jail an the manager laughing his way back to whatever it was he was doing before i created a major inconvience in his work day
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So it is a 10 ball break and run competition,,, they rack all 15 balls.

The players breaks and makes the 13 (for example). They inform them that they can't keep shooting.

You walk out figuring you got screwed by one person with an agenda... And you don't even ask the person you gave your winning ticket to for an explanation.

Does this rule need to be posted?

Seems pretty obvious to me.
 
haystj said:
Yes, really..

It is a dumb idea to let people buy chances to compete in a break an run competition and then allow them to randomly give that chance to another person in the tournament.

Yes, really, a dumb idea in my opinion.
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If I entered I would try for the break and run as well, just because it seems more fun, but that is actually the dumb move. Why not roll with the odds and have a higher-skilled shooter try? It's money-wise.
 
$180 a ball

$1800 in the pot,10 ball, 180 a ball. $180.00 a ball means if you make a ball on the break you shoot till you miss and get paid or stop anytime because if you miss you lose everything.The real rules. Or some places state you have to run out all the balls to get the $1800. But self explanatory is 180 a ball is 180 a ball.****15 balls means $450.00 on the 5,10 15,and total run out. That pool room should pay your 180 from the pot,or where is the owner on this.Or did you CHECK with someone on the rules before HE BROKE THE BALLS> Rich aka the skunk. Thats why I'am know it all.
 
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PocketSpeed11 said:
If I entered I would try for the break and run as well, just because it seems more fun, but that is actually the dumb move. Why not roll with the odds and have a higher-skilled shooter try? It's money-wise.
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I get that.

The point I was trying to make earlier by the Earl reference was this:

If a world champ is sitting in the wings waiting for a chance, why would anyone try for the break an run themselves?

I don't think the point of this is to actually walk away with cash. But rather test yourself if you can break and run a rack for the cash.

It is just an opinion.
 
Boy that RCLane is a riot.
Real quick guys, two things that I think some missed is their fire.
a) No one said that they knew he was an out of towner, hence no rules explained. some may even be assuming that he got the tickets from Finn himself.
b) About the whole "No outsider claim" are you guys forgetting that a LOCAL performed the break/attempted run, wouldn't he have to get a cut thus nullifying the whole outsider thing. You're making seem like the backer (so to say) get's to make off with all the cash if the other guy breaks and runs out.

Anyway, the only thing bruised here was the OP expectations IMO. Assuming that (a) was the case like someone else mentioned the second i see 15 balls being racked i was getting involved, not walking out without so much as a audible sigh. I'm quite comfortable with the whole thing now that I can put a reasonable scenario to it and feel that Finn deserves and apology for being wrongfully slandered. JMO
 
All I can say is I'm a slow learner. On more than 1 occasion I have read a thread title like this one that seems cut and dry. Then the truth comes out and you find out they fail to mention that there's 15 balls on the table.
Now in my eyes if you tell me how straight you are and who you've dealt with I tend to take you at your word. Did you forget that there was 15 balls on the table? Or did you intentionally mislead me
It was my fault because I took the bait. One of these days I'll learn. I guess :rolleyes:
 
Nuts4Tascarellas said:
That's the point - they are all money balls. Shocked the crap out of me. If anyone doubts the validity of what I stated, just ask yourself what would I have to gain from putting it out there? Nothing. I'm at the very least opening myself to poison remarks and possible problems from the mods. I live 8 hrs away from the man. Nothing to gain. I loved the place though. Probably the best room you could find. Nothing against Steinway. Just the raw deal.
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Typically how I have seen B&R pots done is what ever you make on the break does not count. You get paid on every legally pocketed ball after the break, this way you can win up to 9/10 of the prize fund and can never completely bust the pot.

A.
10 ball + $1,800 in pot = $180 per ball (most you can win is $1,620) if you make one ball on the break and run the other 9 balls.

B.
The ticket sales from that night DO NOT go into pot that evening. It's for the following week's tournament.

Between A & B this is how you keep the B&R pot going week to week with out busting the pot so the Bar/Poolroom Owner don't have to reseed the B&R pot.

Now in your situation did your player have an opening shot after the break?
 
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peteypooldude said:
All I can say is I'm a slow learner. On more than 1 occasion I have read a thread title like this one that seems cut and dry. Then the truth comes out and you find out they fail to mention that there's 15 balls on the table.
Now in my eyes if you tell me how straight you are and who you've dealt with I tend to take you at your word. Did you forget that there was 15 balls on the table? Or did you intentionally mislead me
It was my fault because I took the bait. One of these days I'll learn. I guess :rolleyes:
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Not the first time for me either.....
...but I feel we made logical assumptions with the info we had.
 
philly said:
Makes a good point that you probably should not have been in the raffle since you were not playing in the tournament and they might have realized this after the drawing. In the tournament in my homeroom only the players in the tournament have a shot at the break and run and that is as it should be since it is their money in the pot.
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Most Break pots have rules against first time players in the tournament but normally that allow you to buy tickets (they want the B&R pot to grow) however an eligible player must present the winning ticket.
What's to keep a new guy from staking and eligible player in the B&R pot?
Even if they frown upon this you just give the eligible player the cash and let him buy the raffle tickets.
 
The Saw said:
A lot of people are tough on the internet....
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I would like to stand up and count myself as one of those bandwidth badasses, especially with my asterisk on the Good Action List.

Aside from that, it would bother me that if the shooter pocketed an illegal ball, then proceeded to run out. Why wouldn't he have been stopped by Finnegan immediately after the break? Why complete the run out, raise hope for Nuts4, only to be told it didn't count? That's not right either.
 
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pt109 said:
Not the first time for me either.....
...but I feel we made logical assumptions with the info we had.
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Watchez is the Teacher.

I told you all something just didn't make sense. I don't know Finnegan from Adam, think he needs to find a better shirt to wear than his black clubbing shirt but could just tell from the OP he wasn't telling the whole truth.

Whenever someone says - I am the most trustworthy guy, it usually means they aren't. Just like if your girlfriend says to you 'the worst thing you can do to me is cheat on me'......well she already has eyes on blowing your best friend.
 
"Finnegan is a crook and a scumbag"

He is a complete crook and a scumbag.....oh and a total jerk too.
Yes I know.
He thinks he is god's gift to the rest of us pool players and looks down at everyone.
And that jerkiness never comes out more than after you beat him.
When it's time for him to pay then it's on.
I'm not surprised that he's hawking your Facebook page.
That's just the kinda guy he is.
Just be glad he wont sue you for slander. If he does PM me and I'll take him on for you, big time.
 
watchez said:
Watchez is the Teacher.

I told you all something just didn't make sense. I don't know Finnegan from Adam, think he needs to find a better shirt to wear than his black clubbing shirt but could just tell from the OP he wasn't telling the whole truth.

Whenever someone says - I am the most trustworthy guy, it usually means they aren't. Just like if your girlfriend says to you 'the worst thing you can do to me is cheat on me'......well she already has eyes on blowing your best friend.
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how could that be when I AM obviously the most trustworthy guy and am also running a special raffle to screw new englanders
 
The way I understand it if this all really happened that makes Finn a large steamer if you know what I mean.
If non participants were not allowed to join the OP should have simply been refunded his money due to a misunderstanding.
Why would Finn need to privately converse with the guy shooting?
Gotta make a "money ball" on the break to keep shooting? Exactly which is the money ball, the 10?
I can see why OP brought it up a year later, before the show Finn would have been even less of a nobody, not that he is famous now but some people got to see him clearly cheat on TV.
 
fastone371 said:
The way I understand it if this all really happened that makes Finn a large steamer if you know what I mean.
If non participants were not allowed to join the OP should have simply been refunded his money due to a misunderstanding.
Why would Finn need to privately converse with the guy shooting?
Gotta make a "money ball" on the break to keep shooting? Exactly which is the money ball, the 10?
I can see why OP brought it up a year later, before the show Finn would have been even less of a nobody, not that he is famous now but some people got to see him clearly cheat on TV.
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