Finnegan is a crook and a scumbag.

fastone371 said:
The way I understand it if this all really happened that makes Finn a large steamer if you know what I mean.
If non participants were not allowed to join the OP should have simply been refunded his money due to a misunderstanding.
Why would Finn need to privately converse with the guy shooting?
Gotta make a "money ball" on the break to keep shooting? Exactly which is the money ball, the 10?
I can see why OP brought it up a year later, before the show Finn would have been even less of a nobody, not that he is famous now but some people got to see him clearly cheat on TV.
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You should have to be able to comprehend to post on this subject. I thought Mikey made it pretty clear.

They rack all 15 balls. This is to make it tougher to run out the first 10 balls in order.

The 'money balls' are the first 10 balls. If you break and don't pocket a ball numbered 1 thru 10, you don't get to keep shooting.....that is also for you to understand, you break and only the 13 goes in, it is NOT a money ball so you don't get to continue.

What the OP thought he saw as a conversation to make a move against him obviously was not as he thought.

On the TV show, I viewed the 'did he hit it or not' as simply made up TV drama. I guess if you are calling Finnegan a cheat then you are calling Jennifer and some others a cheat as well cause they also stated he made contact. I agree the replay didn't show it move so I just took it as again more made for TV drama. The show would be boring without arguments (see one of the most successful reality TV shows - Jersey Shore - for a reference. It isn't like the producers of this show are inventing the wheel, they are re-inventing it which is smart).

Oh and to others commenting in this thread --Beloit Wisconsin had one of the biggest break and run pots in the country. If memory serves me correct it was up well over $11,000. And this was during some $10 or low entry fee Thursday night tournament. People would come from all over and buy gobs of tickets as a corporation. Then get the best player up there to try and run out for over $1000 per ball. What Steinway has/had letting anyone in the crowd shoot is common as well.
 
watchez said:
Watchez is the Teacher.

I told you all something just didn't make sense. I don't know Finnegan from Adam, think he needs to find a better shirt to wear than his black clubbing shirt but could just tell from the OP he wasn't telling the whole truth.

Whenever someone says - I am the most trustworthy guy, it usually means they aren't. Just like if your girlfriend says to you 'the worst thing you can do to me is cheat on me'......well she already has eyes on blowing your best friend.
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the OP has left the building

Respectfully, adam
 
mikeyfrost said:
So to end this thread the way it deserves to be I'll just go ahead and state the facts.

The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break.

Case closed nothing to see here, you weren't cheated at all. They did it like that cause they have pure champions that used to just break and run out and the pot never grew. It got much tougher to do leaving those extra balls on the table and the pot grew.

Nice way to try and slander someone when the fact was you bought into something that you didn't care to look into the rules of what you were buying. Before those rules it was just a question of which pro was going to run it out and take half the pot.
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well, that makes a lot more sense. I could not understand what a money ball is either ? Didn't know they racked 15. And also didn't know why someone didn't break and run at least a few times a month, but with 15 balls, a little harder. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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haystj said:
So it is a 10 ball break and run competition,,, they rack all 15 balls.

The players breaks and makes the 13 (for example). They inform them that they can't keep shooting.

You walk out figuring you got screwed by one person with an agenda... And you don't even ask the person you gave your winning ticket to for an explanation.

Does this rule need to be posted?

Seems pretty obvious to me.
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terryhanna said:
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Okay, Well It doesn't to me, I've never played 10 Ball in a Tourny, Tho I've played my share of 9 Ball & 10 BALL I HAVE NEVER RACKED ALL 15 BALLS AN THEN BROKE.

WE ALWAYS LEFT OUT THE BACK ROW OF BALLS AN RACKED IT UO FROM THERE.

ALSO, I'M NOT SHOUTING, IM ADDING EMPHASIS, LIKE THIS IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE NONCAPS LOCKED WORDS.

So, You are saying this is how 10 Ball is played in Tourney's They Rack 15 BALLS Then break then you've gotta make 1-10 balls or you don't continue.

That's very ignorant IMO Because those extra balls could very well get in the way of the Object Balls in the rack an create disorder and the possibility of not pocketing any object balls.

But if that's how it's played than Sobeit.
That is something that isn't made clear by the Original Poster also.

However, if that is true I'd never play The game I only want balls on the table that have to made I most certainly do not want any extra to clutter the way and lower my chances of winning.

So, this is something of great concern now to me. IT IS A FACTOR THE OP HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT. An just because the OP left the Building don't mean he's scared or lying, He might have had to go to work or maybe leave his house, So I'm not ruling on that yet to be true.

I do want to know about this possible 15 BALLS in the rack.

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PocketSpeed11 said:
If I entered I would try for the break and run as well, just because it seems more fun, but that is actually the dumb move. Why not roll with the odds and have a higher-skilled shooter try? It's money-wise.
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That's kinda what I was thinking when he said he couldn't Shot so he found a local who could play in the Match & Can Shot Good, That is Smart. It's a very popular way of Gambling People have been doing that SINCE FOREVER.



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It's not how you play 10 ball in a tournament, it's how they set up their break and run pot in that room.

RCLane said:
Okay, Well It doesn't to me, I've never played 10 Ball in a Tourny, Tho I've played my share of 9 Ball & 10 BALL I HAVE NEVER RACKED ALL 15 BALLS AN THEN BROKE.

WE ALWAYS LEFT OUT THE BACK ROW OF BALLS AN RACKED IT UO FROM THERE.

ALSO, I'M NOT SHOUTING, IM ADDING EMPHASIS, LIKE THIS IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE NONCAPS LOCKED WORDS.

So, You are saying this is how 10 Ball is played in Tourney's They Rack 15 BALLS Then break then you've gotta make 1-10 balls or you don't continue.

That's very ignorant IMO Because those extra balls could very well get in the way of the Object Balls in the rack an create disorder and the possibility of not pocketing any object balls.

But if that's how it's played than Sobeit.
That is something that isn't made clear by the Original Poster also.

However, if that is true I'd never play The game I only want balls on the table that have to made I most certainly do not want any extra to clutter the way and lower my chances of winning.

So, this is something of great concern now to me. IT IS A FACTOR THE OP HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT. An just because the OP left the Building don't mean he's scared or lying, He might have had to go to work or maybe leave his house, So I'm not ruling on that yet to be true.

I do want to know about this possible 15 BALLS in the rack.

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I'd say that someone needs to apologize to someone.

On a side note: I've never heard of doing a 10b B&R with 15 balls, but then again I've never heard of balls on the break not counting. Last year one hall near me had three B&Rs going. One for $25k and two $10k. I've just always seen them played using ten balls and usually on a triple shimmed table
 
Finnegan took Rafael out back and told him he was going to con the guy with new garbage rules.

The locals would not cheer if "no money balls went". Total justification after the fact. Absolute trash here.
 
This is a very common house rule for the break and runs. However one place I know the rule is a non money on the break and the shooter gets to continue but the non-money balls stay on the table as obstacle balls.

It is an adjustment to prevent the prize fund from being taken every few weeks. The game shows, break and runs do attract players. So they aren't bad, but pay attention to the rules.

JV
 
Is it merely a coincidence that the same guy who thinks cell phones in 2012 couldn't write lowercase characters, is the same guy who keeps harping on the fact that a 15 ball rack for 10 ball is non-standard, even after it has been explained numerous times that it is intentionally non-standard, and the reasons why?

I'm waiting for someone to complain next that they've never heard of 10 ball played with only 1 player, or needing to buy tickets to enter to play against yourself, or why it pays $180/ball. :D
 
Well, I've got to say that the game described at Steinway is close to the gaffiest game I've ever heard about..With strategic pattern racking against you, you need an incredible break to have a chance, unless you play the one in the side. The one thing that could make the game "perfect":rolleyes: (for the purpose of preventing run-outs) would be if the one didn't count on the break...

I never realized that breaking and running a rack of 10 ball under pressure on a (presumably) tight table was such a formality...I guess I must be even worse at this game than I thought.:rolleyes: The way we do it at our club is that you break and run a rack of 10 balls. You make a ball on the break, you continue. You run the rack, you win.
 
shinobi said:
Is it merely a coincidence that the same guy who thinks cell phones in 2012 couldn't write lowercase characters, is the same guy who keeps harping on the fact that a 15 ball rack for 10 ball is non-standard, even after it has been explained numerous times that it is intentionally non-standard, and the reasons why?

I'm waiting for someone to complain next that they've never heard of 10 ball played with only 1 player, or needing to buy tickets to enter to play against yourself, or why it pays $180/ball. :D
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WHAT...?

It payed $180 a ball....? I must have missed that.

Yep, I just checked. I missed it 8 times. :boring2:

Who's Flannegan? And when did he buy a piano?:scratchhead::scratchhead:
 
ideologist said:
Finnegan took Rafael out back and told him he was going to con the guy with new garbage rules.

The locals would not cheer if "no money balls went". Total justification after the fact. Absolute trash here.
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I tend to agree with this the most, why would anyone cheer for a non money ball if it was a clearly/well known rule? The side bar could have been about anything, but apparently OP and the rest of the spectators were oblivious to the "money ball" rule...
 
A bit of a non sequitur, but in the tournament I used to run, my break pot was structured so that everyone who played in the previous week's tournament was entered into the drawing automatically for the current week. Of course, you had to be present this week to be in the drawing. It was a nice way of giving the tournament regulars, who were also the main contributors, more chances. It worked pretty well.

I would never let someone pass their break to someone else, though. The name drawn is the name that takes the break.
 
Nuts4Tascarellas said:
I got on a bus to go home. By the way - I didn't figure that it was a winning proposition to get into a huge altercation in another city - and one with my wife. That's a no win situation. IF I get some satisfaction from the argument there - I'm going to ride 8 hours beside a person that I love and respect that is angry at me. It wasn't that hard to choose a side. Sometimes you have to be smart about picking your battles. I have plenty of spine - but I don't choose to let it overrun my head.
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I think you did the smart thing by just letting it go. You satisfied not only yourself, but your wife also, a double win right there.

Besides, what did you have in the pot, like twenty tickets that cost a buck each? That's not worth worrying over. Even if you had been stiffed for a twenty buck air barrel it would not be worth any hassle to collect, especially with the wife present, and at the tail end of a pleasant trip.

OK, maybe you had a chance to win $1800 in the BnR, but the real amount at risk was only your original twenty, no more, so again, no big loss.

However, the fact that they sold you tickets suggests you should have been allowed in the BnR itself rather than having to call over a sidekick. If you weren't to be allowed to compete you should not have been sold tickets, period.

As for them stopping your guy because he did not make a 'money ball', that's just bogus, a ridiculous way to eliminate someone who should have been allowed to continue. In all the replies so far I have see no one defend this 'money ball' concept, nor even explain what constitutes a 'money ball."
 
It was explained earlier.

Originally Posted by mikeyfrost
So to end this thread the way it deserves to be I'll just go ahead and state the facts.

The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break.

Case closed nothing to see here, you weren't cheated at all. They did it like that cause they have pure champions that used to just break and run out and the pot never grew. It got much tougher to do leaving those extra balls on the table and the pot grew.

Nice way to try and slander someone when the fact was you bought into something that you didn't care to look into the rules of what you were buying. Before those rules it was just a question of which pro was going to run it out and take half the pot.


Texdance said:
I think you did the smart thing by just letting it go. You satisfied not only yourself, but your wife also, a double win right there.

Besides, what did you have in the pot, like twenty tickets that cost a buck each? That's not worth worrying over. Even if you had been stiffed for a twenty buck air barrel it would not be worth any hassle to collect, especially with the wife present, and at the tail end of a pleasant trip.

OK, maybe you had a chance to win $1800 in the BnR, but the real amount at risk was only your original twenty, no more, so again, no big loss.

However, the fact that they sold you tickets suggests you should have been allowed in the BnR itself rather than having to call over a sidekick. If you weren't to be allowed to compete you should not have been sold tickets, period.

As for them stopping your guy because he did not make a 'money ball', that's just bogus, a ridiculous way to eliminate someone who should have been allowed to continue. In all the replies so far I have see no one defend this 'money ball' concept, nor even explain what constitutes a 'money ball."
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